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another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a student - 1/7/2008 1:57:41 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		OK, for some reason this story really annoyed me.  Maybe because there have been so many stories like this lately.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_re_us/teacher_sex_charges

When are these stupid bitches going to learn that coming on to a 14-year-old isn't acceptable just because he's male?  If the sexes were reversed, there would be a lynch mob out to castrate the fucker.
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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:17:26 PM   
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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:19:50 PM   
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OK, for some reason this story really annoyed me.  Maybe because there have been so many stories like this lately.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_re_us/teacher_sex_charges

When are these stupid bitches going to learn that coming on to a 14-year-old isn't acceptable just because he's male?  If the sexes were reversed, there would be a lynch mob out to castrate the fucker.


Gotta love the double standard.

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:26:23 PM   
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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:34:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Forgive me if I beg to differ.........given the emails I receive from self declared grown manly dominant men.......

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:39:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		It does seem like the teaching profession is getting a reputation for people who abuse their relationships with the children they are supposed to be teaching.  My take is a bit more cynical.  If you are going to fish it is probably going to be where the fish are.

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:51:26 PM   
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Forgive me if I beg to differ.........given the emails I receive from self declared grown manly dominant men.......


empasis on "self declared".
Just cause you are 'self declared", doesnt mean you are grown!

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 2:59:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		I completely agree with all the above, but I also wonder how much of this went on and was unreported in the past. 

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 3:02:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are stupid bitches of both genders and if they think they can get away with it they will certainly try. I think its disgusting no matter the gender of the elder person. They should fucking know better and they should pay the consquences for their actions.

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 4:08:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dont agree with a older male and a young girl under 18 but I dont see much problem with a younger man and older woman the only problem he will have is the girls in his grade wont date him until hes older, the older girls will but only a few

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 4:09:55 PM   
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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 4:29:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marie, I had to look that word up!

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 4:33:05 PM   
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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 4:42:59 PM   
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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 4:49:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well at last here is something you and I can agree on. Who cares what gender the victim or the perpetrator is? If one is an adult and the other has not yet reached the age of consent then it is a crime. Even if the student involved is of the age of consent it is still a violation of professional conduct (with obvious conflicts of interest). Penalties might not involve jail time but it should still carry serious sanctions (i.e. being fired).

On a side note, many people think that eighteen is some kind of universal age of consent. In fact laws vary widely not only around the world but in the United States: http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 5:00:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let me play devil's advocate for a sec.  (and no, I'm not a guy who finds young girls sexually attractive- I prefer women closer to my own age of 47.)  It's just that I'm wondering in the rush to judgement if something's being overlooked.

There's been a pretty rapid change in societies perceived age of sexual maturity.  The Romans used to marry off girls of 12 to 14 happily- Romeo and Juliet were what 13-14?  Didn't Jerry Lee Lewis marry Myrna at 14?  Physiologically, we're ready to have children at that age- and in some cases even earlier.  What was the average age when couples were getting hitched at the turn of the century?  I'll bet it was under 20.- and plenty of these matches worked.   Well, that means that there's going to be a biological imperative to have sex- these kids want to get laid.  We haven't adapted yet to the notion that waiting for sexual maturity is preferable- there are still some adults that find a certain lack of maturity enticing and it's hard to say that they're either nuts or sick.  (I'm drawing a distinction between individuals who find pre-pubescents attractive- that's a different can of worms and much less defensible.)  Then there are the individuals who mature much earlier than most- anybody remember Traci Lords who certainly didn't look 16 in the movies she was doing- so then why claim that men were attracted to her on the basis of her being underage?  Because having seen some of those movies, that certainly wasn't the attraction- she looked like a woman at either late teens or early 20s- and appropriate to ogle if you were that age.

This is one of those areas where the law doesn't take into account human individuality- and certainly doesn't account for the differences between the sexes.  Somebody want to point to a study that shows that 14 year old boys are scarred when seduced by older women?  Because I'll bet that it really doesn't work that way- for a boy this is a rite of passage, and one he's going to be proud of.  For a girl, often it's a different story- there's a lot more confusion.  Just because there's a double standard, doesn't mean that there actually isn't a basis for it.

Now consider what happens to that boy- he doesn't feel like a victim- but the woman he's been intimate with is certainly being punished.  Talk about a mixed message.

I suspect the dirty little secret here isn't how often this happens (and where does incest come into the picture- how many of those relationships knock off in the late teens?) but that more often than not, it doesn't really leave lasting scars.

There's also another double standard at play.  If I go and play peeping Tom in a teen age girls bathroom, I'm derided as a pervert (and probably rightfully so!).  But if a 16 year old boy does the same thing- it's put down to youthful exuberance and curiousity- as well it should be.  But what if the 16 year old boy winds up ogling his teacher instead?  Is that perverted?

What I'm trying to point out is that adolescence is a confusing and difficult time for all of us, and I'm not sure that our draconian laws really serve the best interests of all concerned.  Yes, we have these laws to protect children from predators, but like communities that banned playgrounds, I'm wondering if the cure is worse than the disease.

I'm not throwing out any solutions here- just doing a little pondering.

Sam

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 7:08:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		But he is.  No child involved in a sexual relationship with an adult ever gets through it unscathed.  The long-term damage is profound, even if we're less likely to believe this in the case of boys (for reasons that strike me as purely sexist).

I agree with you that times change, that the legal age of consent has changed, and so on, but no one can convince me that a 14-year-old boy in today's society is prepared for a sexual relationship with his gym teacher.

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Now consider what happens to that boy- he doesn't feel like a victim

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 7:25:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to disagree I dated  much older women until I hit sixteen and Im not that scared

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 8:10:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry LaM, but I'm going to disagree and ask you to cite a source for what you consider to be common knowledge.  I  have a hunch this falls under a similar rubric as everyone knew that a homosexual male couple would raise a homosexual son, but that doesn't seem to have happened either.  The statistics I've seen suggest that at least a quarter of kids have had some type of sexual experience with a partner by age 12.

We do such an abysmal job on mental health in this country- including children that I'm not sure this question can be adequately answered.  But the data I've seen suggest that adults beating children, ignoring children, or denigrating their children aspirations have far more profound psychological consequences than an adolescent boy having sex with an adult.  I also think that the lousy world we're leaving to these children has caused lots of depression- and in the extremes leads to the 'mucking at place like Virginia Tech and Columbine.  I know Hollywood likes to give abuse- probably from a parent, as the pat reason for these actions, but kids really do have their own sets of genes and don't act in a necessarily predictable fashion.  Plus, they have their own view of the world, and it's different than an adults viewpoint. 

Quickie summary- kids get messed up from a variety of causes.  We know (or at least we think we do, that sex is widespread, most commonly with others of a similar age) but depression and other mental illness has lots of causes, and sex with an adult doesn't seem to make the list very often.

I'm throwing out the hypothesis that if sex with an adult scarred children, odds are we'd have a lot more scarred children from this cause, and far fewer from other causes.  Don't think it's that simple.

To the topic at hand-let me throw out another idea- that some of these "adults" may have years on these kids, but may actually not have that much maturity- which is why they're interested in children anyhow- they don't do well with other adults precisely for this reason.  If you neglect age as a measure and focus on other metrics, you might find that these "adult" child pairings are closer together in maturity than you might think- and hence, where's the damage coming from?  Or do you think it's wrong for 14 year olds to be having sex with anybody?  I"m certainly uncomfortable with a 14 year old having sex with a 10 year old, but much less worried about the 14 year old with an adult, and even less with another 14 year old.  Our legal system certainly doesn't deal with this concept well, but it doesn't really deal with very much well I'm afraid, Age is very much an arbitrary line for the legal system, but it has much less relevance to maturity since we don't all mature at the same rates.  We're getting better at measuring maturity using fMRI, but there's a long ways to go.

Sam

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RE: another stupid teacher caught canoodling with a stu... - 1/7/2008 8:13:27 PM   
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Gotta love the double standard.


So do I :)  Suck it up guys.. (and you may have to suck it hard)

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