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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 6:35:07 AM   
CelticPrince


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creatrix,

You have made a great 1st step by asking for input. So many do not !

Exposure is your best safety, spend a few months on line before you move to phone. Se what the "D" has done here on the boards to get an idea on his persona.

Make it understood that the first meet will be a lunch or coffee for an eye to eye. Then rely on your own judgment.

CP

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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 7:00:34 AM   
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Well, if say, 30 or 40 people relayed similar negative experiences I MIGHT just set aside my overwhelming Dom arrogance for long enough to think something might be there. I know it sounds crazy, but I do kind of like to have as much knowledge as possible when making decisions, even if some of that knowledge has to be sorted into the BS file. On a related note, I'm sure if a small crowd of people stopped me on the street and said "Hey, theres a crazy person around the corner. Be careful!" my response would not be "Hey, I don't know these people. Everything they say is invalid." Aren't most of the people on forums complete strangers? So no one should post anything on any forum to get information, because all people everywhere are suspect? Come on man.
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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 7:13:33 AM   
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No.....no one should post information because it is against TOS. If you read these forums for any lengh of time, you can get a feel for people. There are people posting here that I find.....dangerously stupid. That is my opinoin,and I am sure many have the same thoughts of me. That doesn't make either of us right. although i think I am...:) The same thinking that gets you through your life works just as well here. Take your time, be aware, know yourself and you will be fine.

Jeff

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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 7:29:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

No.....no one should post information because it is against TOS. If you read these forums for any lengh of time, you can get a feel for people. There are people posting here that I find.....dangerously stupid. That is my opinoin,and I am sure many have the same thoughts of me. That doesn't make either of us right. although i think I am...:) The same thinking that gets you through your life works just as well here. Take your time, be aware, know yourself and you will be fine.

Jeff


OMG!!!! JEFFF????? JEFFF????!!! Are You sick???!!! Are You feeling okay??!!! i think You just posted a serious response!!!!


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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 7:31:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kalista07

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff


OMG!!!! JEFFF????? JEFFF????!!! Are You sick???!!! Are You feeling okay??!!! i think You just posted a serious response!!!!



It happens...but only when My back is against the wall...........

Jeff

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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 7:36:00 AM   
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I wanted to reiterate a point Honsoku raised.  I found that once I began to be proactive and took the time to search through profiles of Doms and wrote to those whose profile intrigued me - that was when I started having the meaningful dialogue I was searching for.  In the beginning it was all I could do just to reply to all the main coming into my inbox.  I didn't want to be impolite and ignore those who sent one-liners or just said 'hi'.  It took a bit of time for me to learn that it was ok to send "thanks but no thanks" emails to those people because if they weren't interested enough to read my profile and see what I was all about, I didn't owe them anything.  On occasion I'd receive a very nice email from a Dom as first contact, but I've wound up being with the Dom who I contacted first (to compliment him on something he wrote in his journal). 

Of course, it depends on what you're looking for, but starting out as friends, not as possible fuck-buddies by getting right down to the sex talking, can make a world of difference in the outcome of your relationship.

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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 8:02:25 AM   
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A group I belong to is working on a website that will answer just these type of questions and provide a listing of dominants who have been vetted and are known to their peers. We're trying to start a movement to help newbies safely tread water until they get their bearings.


It's been done (see www.verifiedbdsm.com ) and I find it completely wanting of any ability to fulfill its mission.  The only way such a group could function is if there remains an unbroken chain of personal, real time, face to face relationships... something that is impossible to maintain.  Once the chain is broken (and logic dictates that it will break... quickly) it invariably degenerates into a bunch of folks who (think or claim to) "know" one another via online, and who vouch for one another.
 
In fact, I find these sorts of groups dangerous in that they provide a facade of authentication that does not exist (and the few legitimate folks who participate unwittingly provide "authenticity" to perfect strangers whom they have never met).  Such online groups differ substantially from the kind of references that can be provided from recognized and known groups (munches, events, etc) who know an individual on a personal basis.
 
I know it's the Holy Grail of online BDSM... some sort of easy and quick reference guide to tell who is and who isn't.  But it doesn't exist, and never will.  There is no substitute for putting in a little time and effort on your own, or for establishing personal relationships with real time groups and people as opposed to online groups and people whom you have never met.
 
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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 8:22:15 AM   
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For what it is worth...

I started in BDSM at a young age, before the web and back when the "Scene" was just starting to gain a bit of mainstream acceptance. In order to participate in the scene, you really had to go out and try to meet people the old-fashioned way. I was a member of TES back then and it was a vast bastion of support and knowledge. I made some stupid mistakes, learned a lot, met some great people, met some assholes, got my feet wet, and eventually began to discover myself in the scene. The overriding principle at the time was that those experiences all required "being there" and interacting with people. This is essential in that it allows (and requires) you to get a feel for the interaction with people, and provides all of the sensory information that we have come to need subconsciously when we decide on who we might choose to spend our time with, or who to avoid.

A lot has changed since then, and I am no longer active in TES (or even live in NYC). I think the biggest change is the fact that the web has made it possible to communicate without actually "being there". This can be both a positive and a negative in that it enables us to have a larger overall community, but it also allows those who might pretend to be something that they are not (who would clearly be recognized in real life).

So given that background I would suggest these things (from my own standpoint, and having my obvious bias):

- An experienced Dom is going to have patience. I believe that anyone who has been doing this for a while and also has had more than simply casual play is going to be fully aware of the seriousness of embarking on a relationship. It is never all fantasy, and it is important to put aside lonely longings and cravings in order to realize that we are both REAL PEOPLE, with real feelings and we need to know a great deal about each other before going too far in this thing. I believe an experienced Dom is not only willing to go slowly at first, He ought to require it!

- An experienced Dom is going to be careful! The more scenes we do, the more chances there are for something to go wrong. An experienced Dom knows this and tries to prepare for the unexpected. He should have a back-up plan for potential problems, and should have some knowledge of how to deal with problems should they occur. Some good examples are carrying EMS shears, having some books on human anatomy, basic knowledge of physiology (especially as relating to things like oxygen deprivation and electricity, as well as the location and sensitivity of specific nerves prone to damage from bondage). Another, and perhaps most important, aspect of this carefulness is he should start small! No diving right into edge play! He needs to find out exactly how you respond to the small stuff before building toward the big stuff, one step at a time. If he cares about you at all, he ought to insist on playing "careful", at least until you both know each other well enough to take it to the "edge".

- An experienced Dom will want to learn and grow. If he insists that he has reached the point of being an expert, and has no more to learn from you or anyone, then how will you know that that closed-mindedness doesn't spill over into other parts of life? Indeed possibly all of life.

I do not recommend that you interrogate potential Doms as to whether they fit any of these criteria (or any other, for that matter, since these are just mine). You should be able to tell just from what a person talks about, without giving them the third degree. In fact, if a potential slave were to simply interrogate me on my suitability to her, I might just conclude that she lacked patience, since she would find these things out in time simply from chatting with me (or talking). A petulant, impatient and demanding slave is no slave at all.





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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 9:57:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalista07

OMG!!!! JEFFF????? JEFFF????!!! Are You sick???!!! Are You feeling okay??!!! i think You just posted a serious response!!!!



It happens...but only when My back is against the wall...........

Jeff


Would that be a concrete wall... in a parking garage... ???  That is not your spot.  Move out of the way please. 

Cali


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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 10:42:34 AM   
Jeffff


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quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalista07

OMG!!!! JEFFF????? JEFFF????!!! Are You sick???!!! Are You feeling okay??!!! i think You just posted a serious response!!!!



It happens...but only when My back is against the wall...........

Jeff


Would that be a concrete wall... in a parking garage... ???  That is not your spot.  Move out of the way please. 

Cali



ok.......but then it woulnd't be my back

Jeff

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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/9/2008 10:45:31 AM   
CalifChick


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

It happens...but only when My back is against the wall...........

Jeff


Would that be a concrete wall... in a parking garage... ???  That is not your spot.  Move out of the way please. 

Cali



ok.......but then it woulnd't be my back

Jeff


Exactly.

Cali



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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/10/2008 10:29:36 PM   
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The questions of the original post are very interesting; and also very very fair. Let me see If I can add something to this some historical and some contemporary.

If your a novice slave/boy/sub/critter/other you need to know one thing: Slavery in it pure form was abolished when the USA President Lincoln abolished slavery. It was Lincoln that started the global change that purged true slavery from existence. Once you understand this you should be able to understand that all forms of slavery today are contemporary expressions of the concept.

So where does the contemporary slave/boy/sub/critter/other begin. It is my suggestion that you begin by making an exhaustive list of "sexual activities" known to the Master/slave community (if any one wants I do have a start of a list) and from that list the slave/boy/sub/critter/other needs to categorize it several times.

The process might go something like this:
1) those activities you know and those you may want to find out about to understand better.
2) subdivide the list into these categories
...A) Those you like to do (if only you have done them personally)
...B) Those you MIGHT like to explore
...C) Those you DO NOT WANT to explore

The slave/boy/sub/critter/other now has a way to express what they want for sex. Mind you that this list will change as you explore more and more things. As we all know as experienced Masters/Madams and slave/boy/sub/critter/other is that the relationship is not all about sex; it is also about work and duty ... so this process must continue ...

3) Make a second list of of all the skills you have both domesticly and professionally related
4) Again subdivide this list into skill ability groupings; you may want to indicate which your willing to talk about publicly. Remember sometimes the small things will make or break an agreement.

Once you have this information you have a frame work to discuss from when you talk to a Master/Madam - regardless of their process or protocol of discussion. Some subs may want to formalize the material so that maybe a PDF summary can be sent if the person they are talking with wants it.

Whom approaches whom? That depends on personal opinion. IT is MY opinion (and only my opinion) that slave/boy/sub/critter/other can approach me and ask me if I have time or still have need for a slave or boy. I think it is particularly offensive to hear about Masters/Madams whom "cyber" throw interested slave/boy/sub/critter/other out simply because they approached them to serve them. I can only think how else does that person know if a sub has interest in them.

Both Master/Madam and slave/boy/sub/critter/other must be 100% comfortable with each other before any defining agreement is decided. If neither are comfortable EITHER may pull out of negotiations (by also saying precisely why) at any time - before or after an agreement is accepted. NOTE: forced kidnapping is also against the law in many places and if the Dom is found doing such they ought to expect to feel the full wraith of the legal system come down on them. Going back to Lincoln a contract of service, if one is agreed, is only binding between those two parties and 99.99% of the World's courts will blast it to legal pieces as 100% illegal.

Hope this helps a little.

MstrPBK
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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/11/2008 1:25:39 AM   
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The replies to your question have been just what I get from my friends, i have a lot of friends on the scene and as the youngest they tend to look out for me. But they can't choose who I decide to meet and talk to, that's down to me, and what I have found is every person I talk to has a different connection, there have been Doms ive felt comfortable meeting up with after only a few chats on msn and things cos we've connected in a way where i've felt comfortable enough to meet them. tho i've always had a safe call the few times a Dom has said you dont need a safe call im safe, has been met wiht a goodbye and a block, thats one thing i would never ever do the amount of people who know where im going who with and the persons email and phone number is stupid but i value my safety, i had a near miss last year i wuld have ended up playing with someone with a really bad rep if my friend hadnt stepped in to stop me so now i have some simple rules, i will not under any circumstances play on a first meet i dn't care how well we get on its not happening, if  you try and pressure me to change my mind than i wont meet you and will most properly stop talking to you, if you are unhappy with me talking to friends and being open about where im going and what im doing than i wont meet with you either, if you start demanding i do tasks for u before ive even met u and before ive even had a chance to decide whether id want to be urs ... guess what yup uve guessed it i wont meet u:)
this scene can be scary for newbies and i still class myself as one very much so, its taken me a long time to get to a point where i feel confident to go u know wot i dont like tht ur trying to control me before we've even met and i disagree totally with u telling me i dont need a safe call so we wotn be meeting, for ages i felt as a submissive i had to jst agree with and do anything i was told to, (the first ever dom i knew was of the ur a slave therefore u have no rights therefore ull jst do what i tell u to do and live with it) its only been as ive learnt more about myself by meeting more people and getting out to events that ive realised that actually im not a slave, ive got those tendencies but im not gonna be a slave for jst anybody and that actually there are enough decent guys out there i dont have to put up with all the idiots. its like someone else said i contact ppl now that interest me cos the amount of timewasters i get in my inbox just make me mad, so ive taken to reading the profiles and if theres something in there i connect with or makes me smile ill say hey jst to see if anything can happen.
but take ur time, be confident i wot ur looking for, and make friendships on the scene they keep u safe, and they keep u sane wen it all goes wrong and there is -nothing- better than a giant subbie get together wen drink is involved, especially if the next day ur meeting up with the Doms again...my friends on the scene are some of the closest friends i have ever had and they have taught me how to keep myself safe and help keep me safe every time i meet someone new.
erm sorry if this is offpoint and rambling i kinda lost track of what i was writng

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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/14/2008 12:42:32 AM   
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I'm rather new to the lifestyle myself, so the only advice I can give is the old bromide, "Don't judge a book by its cover." My current girlfriend floored me with the desire to be dominated. It was a lucky break for her that I'm a Dom at heart, but there's no way she could have known that.

As you've already been told, don't ignore red flags, and for God's sake, follow your instincts. If they tell you to leave, then get out. 9/10 times your instincts are the best warnings you can have.


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RE: Finding a Dom/Master? hints and tips PLEASE? - 1/14/2008 1:00:46 AM   
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Tips and hints. I thought about this a lott, but the best one i could give you is;  Don't focus on the search, let it happen.
I always found the most interesting people when i start to relax and stopped frustrating myself with wanting someone.
Propably it will allow you to formulate your thoughts and messages also better when you are not focused.

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