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Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 12:37:20 AM

QueenAlly

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What is the general view point of a Master/slave relationship? In terms of basic rules, and how the dynamics work.

Yes, all relationships will have their own style, but outside of Dom/sub, what is the BDSM view on Master/slave?

Especially on couples who have just begun to experience that form of lifestyle into their relationship.

Sorry for the vague question, lol.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 1:03:27 AM

Honsoku

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I do have to wonder why you are asking this when your profile states that you have had slaves already. If that is the case, why do you care what the "general view point" is? Asking about how the dynamics work and the basic rules sounds like you are asking for instructions. Your profile implies that you have had slaves before; so you should know this already, right?

Honsoku

Edited to add: Oh wait, you are this person. Tell you what, you can be my slave for a while and find out for yourself

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 1:39:44 AM

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Don't tell me after everything you say on your profile, that you have "fallen" for someone??

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 1:41:45 AM

Honsoku

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GabrielleSlave

Don't tell me after everything you say on your profile, that you have "fallen" for someone??

Who? Me or her?

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 2:05:45 AM

MasterFireMaam

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I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're asking. Can you try to rephrase it?

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 2:30:12 AM

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For M/s, it's just that the Master is in complete control. The slave can't disobey; if she does, the dynamic's over (although, in practice, many "slaves" disobey and are "disciplined" instead of released).

That's really just about it. Any relationship like this is M/s, any that's not isn't.

It may be worth noting that many D/s couples consider themselves M/s despite not being. The argument "we can call it what we want to" is common, but it's easy enough to point out their fallacies.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 4:45:31 AM

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i don't understand. On your profile you say that you want an online slave only. For what? What do you do with someone who is only on the computer? Just curious, thanks.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 4:49:52 AM

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Thats a tough question. I've always viewed the M/s dynamic to be more related to TPE. Sort of a more extreme version of a D/s dynamic. It would likely depend on the individuals involved. This is just my opinion though.
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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 6:33:43 AM

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In general I find that others in kink who do not do Ms or 24/7 Ds have a negative view of what is really going on in those dynamics. I have found our harshest critics to be those views are based on porn, erotica, or some internet fantasy passing itself off as reality.

In reality life is life, and the necessities of it dictate almost everything else.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 6:43:37 AM

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OK, well I have not read your profile like some other people have. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... Why don't you just come out with what's going on.   It's a bitch trying to get my Captain Crunch Decoder Ring to translate vague questions correctly. Hehehe..

Well, I can't speak for all the other kinksters in BDSM land. But, for me M/s relationships involve TPE (total power exchange), and D/s is a partial power exchange that is worked out.   Actually, don't tell anybody I said this one, many D/s relationships generally progress towards M/s anyways.

Anybody who thinks or expects TPE overnight, needs to be bitch slapped back into reality. At least this is my not so humble opinion on the matter.

M/s relationships will have their own style as well. Hell, some slaves are not allowed to work, own property or have much in the way of privileges.   Slaves might be required to sleep on the floor in one M/s relationship, Slaves in another one can sleep with their Master/Mistress. Some have cages, Some don't.

One thing is for certain, most M/s relationship are based on TPE or a high level of power exchange. Call it D/s extreme, D/s heavy, D/s to the Max, or whatever. Think this gives you an idea about it.

M/s is to D/s is like comparing a Double Shot of Expresso to a regular cup of coffee. There literally is a deeper level of ownership and transfer of control.

I see Bf/gf in the title of your thread...  Mmmmmm.... I'm making a stab in the dark here.   But are you looking at taking a kinky vanilla Bf/gf relationship down the path of D/s and M/s?   Well, since you are a female.. and I assume you are asking for yourself. You being the female in the Bf/gf relationship... I noticed you did not type out Gf/bf... MMmmmmm... I'm giving you a raised eyebrow here.  I feel like a vulcan sitting here at my desk saying "Fascinating" to myself.

Hell, have you contemplated the nature of how Dom couples work.... please excuse me for the run away thought train I'm on at the moment.   Again, It's a bitch trying to get my Captain Crunch Decoder Ring to translate vague questions correctly. Hehehe..

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 6:45:14 AM

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I always find it funny when a kid not old enough to drink announces what is twue for the rest of the world. That aside.

It depends. I know a slave who is not submissive in the least. She's slave to one. Now they've been married over 20 years and have most stuff worked out, but she's disobeyed often enough when she felt like it and the dynamic still isn't over. I know of one who disobeyed but was too upset to explain why, and her owner when he discovered what he was doing and what was going on, damn near crawled for months to earn her forgiveness. I know of one who when his slave relapsed and had to go back to the hospital released her, yet two years later they've gotten back together.

These are relationships made by people, people who are fallible, who try to do their best, and who change things around as is necessary to keep the relationship going. And the ones who don't adapt as necessary are the ones who don't get to stay in a relationship.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 6:48:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP
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These are relationships made by people, people who are fallible, who try to do their best, and who change things around as is necessary to keep the relationship going. And the ones who don't adapt as necessary are the ones who don't get to stay in a relationship.

Now this is the true reality of the matter! Nice to see somebody that lives in the land of realism and not a fantasy setup for constant failure and let down.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 8:10:33 AM

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There are only two qualities (that I know of) that define any power exchange relationship. First, that the relationship is consensual. The second being control... one partner exerts control and the other(s) authorize their use of that control.

Beyond that, every power exchange relationship is unique.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 9:23:43 AM

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Someone has to be in control? Good grief Im going to have to start all over again. To the op. If you are seeking help just come out and ask for it.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 11:06:14 AM

QueenAlly

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I'm not. Its an argument between me and friend.

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RE: Bf/gf, Master/slave. Viewpoints. - 1/9/2008 3:56:42 PM

LuckyAlbatross

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Bravo Tammy Jo, so true.

I agree with Rover with a few tweaks- consent makes it non abusive and ethical for me, but it can still be Ds and not be consensual.

And switch out the word "control" with "authority."

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