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LadyKim -> Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 8:57:33 AM)

I had a sub contact me earlier today asking me what made me such a female supremacist. I chuckled at first .... thinking gee that is pretty obvious, but it made me stop to think. I want to start this thread to discuss........

1. What made you start to believe in female supremacy?


2. How do you demonstrate that belief in your behavior?


3. What is an activity you participate in to embody or demonstrate that supremacy?

Hope this makes for a good discussion.

MzKim




lonewolf05 -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 9:31:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyKim

I had a sub contact me earlier today asking me what made me such a female supremacist. I chuckled at first .... thinking gee that is pretty obvious, but it made me stop to think. I want to start this thread to discuss........

1. What made you start to believe in female supremacy?
to start? dunno. maybe just getting back in touch with childhood likes. i have a fetish of varied ladie's clothing. explain this later.



2. How do you demonstrate that belief in your behavior?
demo? by kissing Her feet.



3. What is an activity you participate in to embody or demonstrate that supremacy?activity? see last q & a.


Hope this makes for a good discussion.

MzKim





SweetDommes -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 10:48:03 AM)

We, personally, don't believe in female supremacy. Neither gender is superior to the other simply because of their chromosomes.




LadyKim -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 11:20:13 AM)

I just realized I did not answer my own questions. Hopefully this will get this thread jump started a bit.

1. What made me start to believe in female supremacy is actually evolutionary. Yes, men are typically stronger than women physically, and have throughout history been the providers and protectors of the family. However, men are also usually (not always) more permiscuous than women. The evolutionary reason for this is ....... sperm is cheap. A man can produce billions upon billions of sperm in his lifetime in order to carry forth his gene pool. However, women have only a few hundred eggs throughout their life which makes eggs more precious than sperm. True you need both of them; however, because eggs are so precious women have been the 'selectors' throughout evolution.

Look at the animal kingdom....... Male lions have the manes to attract the female (a full healthy mane indicates he is free of disease and less likely to shoot blanks or inferior sperm). Male peacocks have the colorful feathers to attract the females again..... showing him to be free of disease. Among lions also, the males fight to become the alpha of the pride because the alpha is the one the lioness' want to mate with. When an alpha is killed any cubs that alpha had sired that are still nursing are killed because his seed is viewed as now being inferior.

Females CHOOSE who they will be intimate with whether they want to have children or not. Of course, men will not be with someone they do not wish to be with; however, it is the female that has the ultimate choice. Look at how the Fem Doms are saying they do not return every email because they get so many, and the sub boys complaining that they rarely hear back from a Domme.

2. The way I demonstrate it is in whom I speak with. If I am not interested in a boy, I will give him a polite no thank you.... good luck with your search. However, if I CHOOSE a boy then he gets my time, attention, and energy.

3. I also enjoy utilizing his more submissive moments to torment him with chastity, and tease/denial reminding him that I control the orgasms. I also love using my more soft seductive tones right in his ear when I'm telling him something scalacious or giving him an instruction I am sure he will balk at........ knowing it is the sexual attraction that drives and feeds his submission.

3.




lonewolf05 -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 3:37:39 PM)

quote:

........ knowing it is the sexual attraction that drives and feeds his submission.


Lady Kim
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i have heard of this. just have not experienced it. my "drive" is purely domestic services. hormones are no where even in the vicinity.
hmm.

i hope some day i either find someone i find so sexy i feel 18 again,..or i find another slave that enjoys service as much as i do, just so i can relate to one or the other.
i feel so left out all the time..

wolfie




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 4:17:40 PM)

I don't really believe in female supremacy outside of roleplaying; I do like your explanation as to why you believe it though, and would say that if I were to trully begin understanding/believing in female supremacy and needed to justify it, I would say one of the biggest reasons is carrying a child/giving birth.. M




MistressGrace07 -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 4:26:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

We, personally, don't believe in female supremacy. Neither gender is superior to the other simply because of their chromosomes.


I agree. Whenever someone asks Me this question I say that there are people who are/were created to be Dominant (based on upbringing, personality, and inheriant design) and are people who are/were created submissive... There are also people who were/are created to be neutral (more vanilla) and people who are/were created to switch roles.

I believe we all have the power to be Dominant. I believe that's where the power exchange part of D/s (vs. just straight up S&M) comes in. A true submissive has the strength to be Dominant but willingly chooses to give that power to Another. If a submissive doesn't have this part of their life figured out yet or their personality is damaged in somewhere where this is not true, then there is the potential for major problems within the relationship.

I do not believe just because I have a vagina I am supreme. I believe that I possess the wisdom, care and ability to Dominante and can be entrusted with the extremely beautiful gift of someone's submission.




Euryanx -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 6:51:54 PM)

As others have said, I believe "supremacy" is an individual thing, and not determined by gender. That said, i truly believe there is nothing more alluring than a strong, confident woman who believes in her own supremacy.

When I was young and involved with a Domme woman named Marlena, i can remember listening to a conversation between she and her sister Patti. Patti was an attractive woman and had just gotten dumped on by some obnoxious guy. According to Marlena, it happened to Patti all of the time because she was submissive. Marlena pleaded with her sister to just to learn how to become more Dominant. She told Patti that she could completely control her relationships with men, that she'd have 100's of male subs to choose from, and that she'd never, ever get hurt again.

Patti listened, but just shook her head and said she couldn't do it. It wasn't in her nature to be Domme.

So even if women are the more powerful of the species, there are some women out there who are either weak, powerless, or they fall prey to society's conditioning and choose to believe that they are second class citizens.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 7:54:49 PM)

So if you're a domme your relationships are totally under control and you never get hurt...........hmmmmmmmmm




Euryanx -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/25/2005 8:25:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

So if you're a domme your relationships are totally under control and you never get hurt...........hmmmmmmmmm


I didn't say that, someone else did. [:D]

But i understand your point. No one, Domme's included, is immune from heartbreak.

Still, that said, if a Domme chooses her sub wisely, and selects someone that dotes on her completely, would you agree that she has more control in the relationship, more power, more say in the relationship - and therefore it is likely that a Domme woman will experience less hurt than a vanilla woman?




lonewolf05 -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 6:09:35 AM)

experiencing hurt?

i kinda understand. i kinda do not.

i know a lot of folks, HAVE TO be involved emotionally, so i guess i grasp that risk.

but with ME i am NOT involved so "I" will not ever be hurt that way. if She says She is not interested anymore i just move on down the road. that is the nice part of knowing She is married. i do not have to worry and fret over a lost love affair with a mistress/domme.

wolfie,..looks around, and walks away.




dommemagnet -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 8:48:10 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyKim

I just realized I did not answer my own questions. Hopefully this will get this thread jump started a bit.

1. What made me start to believe in female supremacy is actually evolutionary. Yes, men are typically stronger than women physically, and have throughout history been the providers and protectors of the family. However, men are also usually (not always) more permiscuous than women. The evolutionary reason for this is ....... sperm is cheap. A man can produce billions upon billions of sperm in his lifetime in order to carry forth his gene pool. However, women have only a few hundred eggs throughout their life which makes eggs more precious than sperm. True you need both of them; however, because eggs are so precious women have been the 'selectors' throughout evolution.

Look at the animal kingdom....... Male lions have the manes to attract the female (a full healthy mane indicates he is free of disease and less likely to shoot blanks or inferior sperm). Male peacocks have the colorful feathers to attract the females again..... showing him to be free of disease. Among lions also, the males fight to become the alpha of the pride because the alpha is the one the lioness' want to mate with. When an alpha is killed any cubs that alpha had sired that are still nursing are killed because his seed is viewed as now being inferior.

Females CHOOSE who they will be intimate with whether they want to have children or not. Of course, men will not be with someone they do not wish to be with; however, it is the female that has the ultimate choice. Look at how the Fem Doms are saying they do not return every email because they get so many, and the sub boys complaining that they rarely hear back from a Domme.



Well, not exactly true although I agree sperm is cheap. I can't seem to sell any for the life of me.

Men are genetically "wired" to spread their genes as far and wide as possible while women are genetically "wired" to select males that give their progeny a better chance of survival, ie. your protection note.

As for your lion analogy, the cubs from the dethroned alpha male are killed by the new alpha male for 2 reasons but not because they are considered inferior. That would indicate higher order of thought when in reality it's instinct. The first is to stamp out the progeny of another male lion furthering the relative spread of the genetic material of the new alpha. The second reason is to bring the lioness back into season to be bred again. The lioness doesn't select the male with which she will breed. There's no choice in the matter for the lioness. They will breed with the alpha male so this is a bad example to use in trying to support your theory.

As far as limiting the choice of who one will mate with to females only, this argument couldn't hit a bear in the ass with a bass fiddle. Everyone selects with whom they will be intimate not just females. Men in general may be more promiscuous but being so doesn't translate into being non selective. If your theory were correct most men would be willing to crawl between the sheets with whoever/whatever didn't vigorously protest. That's rather insulting.

I don't believe in female or male supremacy. Women are better suited for some things, men are better suited for others. Some individuals are superior to others however I seriously doubt it falls along gender lines.




lonewolf05 -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 9:49:20 AM)

dommemagnet;;
If your theory were correct most men would be willing to crawl between the sheets with whoever/whatever didn't vigorously protest. That's rather insulting.
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insulting? to whom?
where "I" come from, in MY circle of male friends, they would give a damn less where they stick it. wouldn't much matter if it was a knothole in a tree. these good ole boys are just down right horny and will follow about any skirt that will let em.
i'm sorry if YOU think it is insulting. but the guys i know, it is the rule of thumb.
i know, of SOME guys will tell you flat out they wouldn't care if it was a cross gender's backend as long as they had breasts to play with during...any hole is fine with some of these dudes. bar the old grannies of course.....

ah well. i guess i am the only one around the net ever grew up with redneck good ole boys ...........

wolfie









perverseangelic -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 9:56:09 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lonewolf05
insulting? to whom?
where "I" come from, in MY circle of male friends, they would give a damn less where they stick it. wouldn't much matter if it was a knothole in a tree. these good ole boys are just down right horny and will follow about any skirt that will let em.
i'm sorry if YOU think it is insulting. but the guys i know, it is the rule of thumb.
i know, of SOME guys will tell you flat out they wouldn't care if it was a cross gender's backend as long as they had breasts to play with during...any hole is fine with some of these dudes. bar the old grannies of course.....


I think the problem is that you're projecting your experience on to the entire male population. Some of the males I know are like this. Some aren't.

To say that -all- males are like this =is= highly insulting to me, because it's so obviously untrue.




LadyAngelika -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 10:19:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic


quote:

ORIGINAL: lonewolf05
insulting? to whom?
where "I" come from, in MY circle of male friends, they would give a damn less where they stick it. wouldn't much matter if it was a knothole in a tree. these good ole boys are just down right horny and will follow about any skirt that will let em.
i'm sorry if YOU think it is insulting. but the guys i know, it is the rule of thumb.
i know, of SOME guys will tell you flat out they wouldn't care if it was a cross gender's backend as long as they had breasts to play with during...any hole is fine with some of these dudes. bar the old grannies of course.....


I think the problem is that you're projecting your experience on to the entire male population. Some of the males I know are like this. Some aren't.

To say that -all- males are like this =is= highly insulting to me, because it's so obviously untrue.


wolf has a history of this type of projection on these boards.

I'm glad, like you, that I don't encounter this type of "a hole is a hole" type men.

- LA




dommemagnet -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 10:25:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: lonewolf05

dommemagnet;;
If your theory were correct most men would be willing to crawl between the sheets with whoever/whatever didn't vigorously protest. That's rather insulting.
=====
insulting? to whom?
where "I" come from, in MY circle of male friends, they would give a damn less where they stick it. wouldn't much matter if it was a knothole in a tree. these good ole boys are just down right horny and will follow about any skirt that will let em.
i'm sorry if YOU think it is insulting. but the guys i know, it is the rule of thumb.
i know, of SOME guys will tell you flat out they wouldn't care if it was a cross gender's backend as long as they had breasts to play with during...any hole is fine with some of these dudes. bar the old grannies of course.....

ah well. i guess i am the only one around the net ever grew up with redneck good ole boys ...........

wolfie








Wolfie,

I'm not that way. I'm rather particular and always have been. I've met a few guys that couldn't care less as long as there was breath on the mirror but more often the people I associate with are much more selective than that. Most are monogamous at this point in their lives.

My point is the stereotype doesn't represent the truth. I agreed that in extremely general terms men tend to be more promiscuous than women but regardless there are still standards used in selecting a partner whether you are male or female.





pangaia -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 11:06:28 AM)

Yummyyyyy

My favorite subject. (By the way, required reading for this subject should be the work of Barbara G. Walker. My favorite book by her is "Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets")

I believe in some ways men and women are equal, and in some men are superior and in sum ways men are superior. Basically, that means whichever view you choose can be supported by whichever facts you CHOOSE to look at.

This is all complicated by a few simple opinions (on my part at least).

ONE-Males have been slowly over time becoming weaker and weaker in the areas that they are supposedly superior in. This is due to modern male superiority in political, social, financial, and educational arenas resulting in male strength becoming diluted. A very simple example is that we live in a world where the money is power. In the REAL world (meaning if you are stuck on a desert island for example) money means less than nothing. It is only good to burn to provide heat..

I won't get into specifics, but suffice it to say that in all the areas of power that really matter, overall men under the age of 40 are weaker than those above that age, and the trend continues like that for well over a few thousand years. That means that regardless of whether or not men or women are superior, men's dominance has been consistently weakening them over time so that their natural "equality" with women has been imbalanced (making MODERN women superior)

TWO-The areas of feminine power are those that cannot be changed by societal conditions, connection to the spirit, connection to nature, superior willpower, putting up with MEN, the ability to have children, etc etc. In addition, the FACT that we have lived in a male dominated society for a few thousand years (or more depending how you look at it or where you are looking) has only forced women to become even stronger in a lot of areas.. although, unfortunately, male control of every aspect of society has forced women's increased strength to be focused in areas that only subjugate them FURTHER to the male IDEA. (Oprah Winfrey, Martha Stewart, Feminists who fight against pornography, further subjugating the feminine sexual power to male control... instead of promoting or embracing feminine positive sexuality or erotica.. even powerful women like Mother Teresa lending their energy to ,misogynistic, women suppressive religious ideologies, etc.)

basically... i am a soldier for women's rights.. i have been such since i was around 7 years old.. this means that the stronger i have gotten, the more my personality, intellect, realm and range of knowledge and belief system/spirituality/sexuality has put me more and more into a container of existence which, in essence, means manifestation of the caricature known as Lucifer, Satan, pan, Dionysus..

oh well...

in any event.. i think that no one sex is truly superior.. but they all have roles.. and generally a male has a role of captain of the ship.. but take the lion as an example. the woman is the soldier and the male "leader" sleeps around all today..

it has been said that a real leader militarily or otherwise.. is just the entertainment coordinator..

in any event.. regardless of what the true nature of male female superiority is.,. our modern MALE dominated world has ENSURE D that modern males (for the most part) are inferior and outer of touch with their actual strength, primal strength, potential or whatever else you want to call it

modern males kind of disgust me.. the ones in this lifestyle disgust me less.. but as stated in another thread.. even Dom males are somewhat actually controlled by the Sub.. so go figure

I have a jaded viewpoint because when i first lived on my own (as a 18 year old homeless kid in new York City) I was taken in and taught by a bunch of lesbian feminists.. many of whom were Dommes.. and met their Gay Dom/me friends.. All of which who were much more superior .. more ruthless.. and less soft than the male Doms I have met since then..

I have since searched relentlessly for the "ultimate" male Dom.. dark sorcerer.. or whatever u want to call it.. or Dark Goddess as well.. training and teaching myself in every area He/She would want em to know to aid her quest/mission

I gave up looking for that creature a few years ago and instead started to round off my education to become the thing I sought..

I have been in the shadows doing my thing.. keeping my thoughts to myself,.. but this thread was just too tempting..




onceburned -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 11:50:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lonewolf05?
where "I" come from, in MY circle of male friends, they would give a damn less where they stick it. wouldn't much matter if it was a knothole in a tree. these good ole boys are just down right horny and will follow about any skirt that will let em.


I know guys who follow those values. Its the image of masculinity that they learned as they grew up and... well, they and their friends never quite got past it. In its favor, it is honestly admitting to desires.

But I think many guys decide that raw lust needs to be tempered or 'civilized', and that this can be done without putting on airs.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/26/2005 2:45:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Euryanx



Still, that said, if a Domme chooses her sub wisely, and selects someone that dotes on her completely, would you agree that she has more control in the relationship, more power, more say in the relationship - and therefore it is likely that a Domme woman will experience less hurt than a vanilla woman?



On the surface, I will say yes. But I had a slave that doted on me completely, who left me for his T best friend! A friend of mine had her slave leave his collar IN HER MAILBOX after a year of devoted service. So yes, while we might have more "hand" (seinfeldism) in the relationship, it is no guarantee that our choice is the best one.




Zensee -> RE: Female Supremacy (8/27/2005 1:39:44 AM)

Nature is overwhelmingly female (not feminine) and largely predatory. Males are relatively rare and recent adaptations. You could argue that their rarity and the demonstrable success of sexual reproduction, makes them superior - or that it makes them subservient to females and more vulnerable.

In many species, females are the larger and more aggressive gender, being solely responsible for bearing and rearing the young. You could argue that this makes them superior - or that it makes them common and unremarkable.

You can make reality fit your opinion any way you like. I prefer to hope that our shared humanity will have supremacy over our prejudice.

Z.




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