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astarri -> RE: Something about Sex (1/9/2008 5:06:08 PM)

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Reality: for most women, including those who love sex, foreplay is often, if not usually, the most important part of sex; and most men don't get nearly the pleasure they're capable of experiencing, either. The perpetually turned-on and ready-to-go woman doesn’t exist anywhere in the world, and any woman who claims to be one is either psycho-biologically aberrant (clinical nymphomania, for instance) or lying in order to be seen as more sexually attractive. Sure, it’s a shop-worn truism that women care about foreplay more than men do;


I didn't read it all cause i ended up getting bored with the broad generalizations but i disagree with this papragraph especially.
Not all women like foreplay ... most do i would agree but there is a large group that would rather have internal stimulation as opposed to external. Just as some women can't orgasm from intercourse, there are some that cant orgasm by cunnilingus. Added stimulation of fingers inside helps but there is no substitute for the actual sex.
For many women (if not more) sex is a mental act and the reason that we dont want sex immediately is because it takes our mind time to get into it. If, however, i can focus on the desires i might have, believe me the perpetually wet and willing woman is not a myth .... and i must admit that i am not a nymphomaniac nor do i think it makes me more appealing as most men dont want sex as much as they think they do. Kinda like when you are really hungry and fill your plate at a buffet only to find you cant finish your plate. .... Just my opinions on this




Sexynmentalinkc -> RE: Something about Sex (1/9/2008 5:17:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

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ORIGINAL: LINQ

If you read all that you really need to find something useful to do


Dude you just flamed your own post!!

Jeff



Classic!!! A new sort of masochism!

"Here's what I have to say!! It's twue!"


"...................or not!"



- Mr. S




NaiveTempest -> RE: Something about Sex (1/9/2008 5:47:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

I think I read that book when I was about twelve.

Cali



AHHHHHHH! That's why it all sounded so familiar! [sm=ofcourse.gif] 
I think I've read that book too, but mine had pics.......




badSequence -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 3:29:03 AM)

I love it when people say they disagree then go on to agree [:D]




TreasureKY -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 3:58:21 AM)

Hey... though there are people for whom this wouldn't apply, I think you're right in a very broad and general way.  Kudos to you for having a good grasp and I would imagine any partners you have are very grateful as well.  [;)]

Pity more men aren't as understanding.




Dnomyar -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 5:22:42 AM)

What do you mean we men arent understanding?  How can a man understand a woman. Typical woman convo. Honey how come you never rub my back. Honey your rubbing my back wrong. One of millions of examples.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 5:26:14 AM)

may i have a cliff note version, please, while i try to understand what is the question/point you're trying to make.

thank you




TreasureKY -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 5:42:08 AM)

Dnomyar.... understanding isn't the same thing as mind reading.

It isn't all that difficult to have knowledge about about what another might like and enjoy. Subs do it all the time... many are even expected to anticipate needs and desires of their dominant.

The trick is listening, observing, and being open and emphathetic enough to have a decent level of accuracy. Of course, that is all part of good communication.

Edited to add: I forgot to say that an important key is acceptance. If a woman tells you or otherwise lets you know that she needs more than one minute of foreplay... whether you like it or not, accept it. You aren't going to change her, you aren't going to talk or shame her out of it. If you care about her enjoyment, apply that newfound knowledge to the best of your ability.

Oh, and the same thing applies to women as well as men.




LINQ -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 5:55:49 AM)

TreasureKY is obviously the smartest person to comment so far.  [:@]




Oumae -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 6:16:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LINQ

TreasureKY is obviously the smartest person to comment so far.  [:@]


Even smarter than you ???  You just liked comment about your partners having no complaints. [;)]

Some interesting points and while your comment...
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If you read all that you really need to find something useful to do

Made me laugh not everyone gets Irish humour.

Oumae




lateralist1 -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 8:54:02 AM)

Some very useful points and some very bad generalisations.
Take two people who want to enjoy their sexuality and want their partner to enjoy their's too.
And a lot of good communication. Physical as well as verbal and they will work it out.
But put the one in charge who knows most and who is the most complicated and they will work it out faster.
Women are in general better at relationships because they need them more.
Now that may be a bad generalisation.
It's just what I think.




TreasureKY -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 2:44:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LINQ

TreasureKY is obviously the smartest person to comment so far.  [:@]


lol... *curtsies*




tigerstyle -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 4:19:42 PM)

Everything I do is foreplay. Seriously, I'm actually into no-foreplay sex, wham bang boom....but since my very existence is foreplay, I'm often left frustrated here.







SirJohnMandevill -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 5:13:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lateralist1

Some very useful points and some very bad generalisations.
Take two people who want to enjoy their sexuality and want their partner to enjoy their's too.
And a lot of good communication. Physical as well as verbal and they will work it out.
But put the one in charge who knows most and who is the most complicated and they will work it out faster.
Women are in general better at relationships because they need them more.
Now that may be a bad generalisation.
It's just what I think.



I was with you until that last generalization. But I agree with the rest: two people who want sex are going to gravitate toward partners who fulfill their needs and, as you said, "work it out."

Les (Purveyor of Fine, Handcrafted Kink)





Griswold -> RE: Something about Sex (1/10/2008 6:01:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LINQ

Myth: ALL men, and any truly sexual woman loves intercourse more than anything, is always ready to go, and wants to get right down to it as soon, and often, as possible. This belief infests the fantasy life of erotic culture--read the vast majority of erotic fiction and you’ll see evidence of this, often in the form of “...she was dripping wet instantly...” and other such lies. The truth is that it takes time for a woman’s body to become fully aroused and there’s no shortcut around simple biology. Fiction tends to de-emphasize the arousal phase of sex both to appeal to a primarily male audience (the same reason you see so much attention to physical descriptions, right down to a list of measurements, for the females in such stories) and to meet the conventions of the genre. Tales which are likely to be read as fantasy fodder for private masturbation tend to cut right to the chase because they’re all about the orgasm--not the characters’, the reader’s. Their primary purpose, when you think about it, is to help you cum faster when you’re alone, not better and more often when you’re with a partner.

The stereotype of the submissive cock-hungry bisexual nympho living in those stories is a tissue-thin (if you’ll pardon the double entendre) fantasy, meant to arouse your mind as a shortcut to orgasm. Mind you, I’m not criticizing the stories; I’m a fan of them. When it’s done well, female readers get to fantasize about a world of sexual promiscuity and adventure without social consequences and men get to immerse themselves in a world where every woman, no matter how off-limits in the real world, is an eagerly available sex partner. But what’s hot on the page, the detailed depiction of fantasy sex that really get your mental gears turning and the blood flowing isn’t necessarily what would make the best sexual encounter in real life. After all, if real sex were like the stories, men would also be expected to get it up five times in an hour. Since that’s also a biological impossibility, perhaps we should try to keep the difference between fantasy and reality in mind when thinking about our partners.

Reality: for most women, including those who love sex, foreplay is often, if not usually, the most important part of sex; and most men don't get nearly the pleasure they're capable of experiencing, either. The perpetually turned-on and ready-to-go woman doesn’t exist anywhere in the world, and any woman who claims to be one is either psycho-biologically aberrant (clinical nymphomania, for instance) or lying in order to be seen as more sexually attractive. Sure, it’s a shop-worn truism that women care about foreplay more than men do; we’ve all heard it before, and probably made a sexist joke or two about “getting to the good part” and complained to our friends or muttered under our breath after experiencing the “Wham-Bam-Thank You, Ma’am” style of sexual encounter. That doesn’t mean that men are bad in bed, don’t care about pleasuring women, or even that men are easier to please sexually than are women. In fact, most men aren’t getting one tenth of the pleasure from sex that they could, but few know it.

Because we treat the penis-centred experience of male ejaculation as the ultimate in physical pleasure and the only indicator of successfully completed sexual union, not only is female orgasm relegated to a position of minimized importance, but men aren’t encouraged to explore their bodily responses and experience the expanded possibilities for pleasure opened up by extended arousal. Very rarely do we discuss why women want and need more foreplay, much less why men might want it too--and almost never do we give men good incentive for, or good advice about, spending more of their time and erotic energies on foreplay. Nor do we, as a culture, teach men how to spend more time on arousal without getting physically over stimulated and thus risking the ego-shattering experience of turning into the one-minute man when intercourse actually happens.

Foreplay & gender: a few additional thoughts to consider: Men--when your partner is fully aroused, she’s more likely to be open to new things, more eager to bring you pleasure, and to leave with a positive impression of the sexual encounter--regardless of what happens during actual intercourse. Also, a highly stimulated and aroused woman feels better during sex--beyond the obvious question of vaginal lubrication, extended arousal phase causes all the tissues of the vaginal wall to swell, making her both softer in texture and tighter around you. Now, what’s not to like about that?

And, while oral sex is great fun for all concerned, it’s not only not the end-all and be-all of foreplay, the “I do you, now you do me, then we fuck” approach can lead to some seriously unfulfilling lovemaking. Foreplay can be fun and stimulating for both parties, without resulting in premature ejaculation and a disappointingly short romp in the sack, a sore jaw, or a mounting sense of futility--you know, that “what’s the point of this” feeling.

Women--if you don’t really know, or can’t bring yourself to tell your partner, what gets you really hot for him, it’s not fair to put all the blame on him if the sex isn’t great. Learning to be a good lover takes time, patience, and practice--and even if your partner is interested in improving his skills, there are limits to what can be generalized. Every woman’s body and mind is unique unto her, and if you expect your partner to learn what you like by trial-and-error then know that it’s likely to take a long time, or cause him to give up out of frustration. And if you want to steer his efforts, do it gently and positively, okay? Nobody likes to be criticized, particularly while they’re naked. Be sensitive to his feelings in this because whether he admits it or not, a fair amount of his self-esteem is wrapped up in his desirability and performance as a lover.

Also, foreplay isn’t a one-way street. While there are some obvious visual triggers and “hot spots” that can get a man ready for sex quickly, paying attention to a man’s whole body will still feel very good for him, and will slow down the arousal process a bit and help prevent that hair-trigger phenomenon that everybody hates. And if you would like to get extended and more diverse attention paid to your body, giving it to him first is a good non-verbal way of trying to express your desires and teach him to fulfil them. Plus, contrary to conventional wisdom, slowing down the male arousal phase actually leads to longer and more intense ejaculations and even the all-too-rare phenomenon of the multiply orgasmic man.


GAWWWWD that was long.

I actually don't give a fuck.

Had you been able to present your thoughts in either.....

a)  Something that approximated a reasonable length post (i.e., something that didn't make my eyes well up reading it)....

OR....

b)  Something with societally acceptable paragraph breaks....

I'd probably have answered your no doubt heartfelt question and concerns...

(But you didn't).

Ciao.

(Someone who might have given a fuck....)




LINQ -> RE: Something about Sex (1/11/2008 3:57:31 AM)

I am beginning to wonder if some people here might benefit from reading classes




LINQ -> RE: Something about Sex (1/11/2008 4:00:31 AM)

TreasureKY is still winning[sm=news.gif]




velvetears -> RE: Something about Sex (1/11/2008 8:58:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LINQ

#1 The truth is that it takes time for a woman’s body to become fully aroused and there’s no shortcut around simple biology.

#2 Fiction tends to de-emphasize the arousal phase of sex both to appeal to a primarily male audience (the same reason you see so much attention to physical descriptions, right down to a list of measurements, for the females in such stories) and to meet the conventions of the genre.

#3 ...perhaps we should try to keep the difference between fantasy and reality in mind when thinking about our partners. 

#4 for most women, including those who love sex, foreplay is often, if not usually, the most important part of sex; and most men don't get nearly the pleasure they're capable of experiencing, either.

#5 Foreplay & gender: a few additional thoughts to consider: Men--when your partner is fully aroused, she’s more likely to be open to new things, more eager to bring you pleasure, and to leave with a positive impression of the sexual encounter--regardless of what happens during actual intercourse. Also, a highly stimulated and aroused woman feels better during sex--beyond the obvious question of vaginal lubrication, extended arousal phase causes all the tissues of the vaginal wall to swell, making her both softer in texture and tighter around you. Now, what’s not to like about that?

#6 Women--if you don’t really know, or can’t bring yourself to tell your partner, what gets you really hot for him, it’s not fair to put all the blame on him if the sex isn’t great. Learning to be a good lover takes time, patience, and practice--and even if your partner is interested in improving his skills, there are limits to what can be generalized. Every woman’s body and mind is unique unto her, and if you expect your partner to learn what you like by trial-and-error then know that it’s likely to take a long time, or cause him to give up out of frustration. And if you want to steer his efforts, do it gently and positively, okay? Nobody likes to be criticized, particularly while they’re naked. Be sensitive to his feelings in this because whether he admits it or not, a fair amount of his self-esteem is wrapped up in his desirability and performance as a lover.



#7 Also, foreplay isn’t a one-way street.


#1 False.... not every women has the same biology and some women can respond very rapidly and become aroused within minutes.... i know as i am one of them.  It all depends on mood, chemistry etc. 

#2 The reason you see so much attention to physical description is because most fiction is geared to males and they are more visually oriented then females.

#3 "Should try"????  If you have to make an effort to seperate fiction from fantasy you have problems. 

#4 HUGE generalization here. How can you speak for the majority what is the most important part of sex - show me the studies and statistics which say so. 

#5 i don't have to be fully aroused to be open to new things - don't speak for everyone, what a silly notion.  The more aroused a woman is the better she will feel during sex and the tighter she will be????  Again, a huge generalization and one which i do not agree with across the board.  What's not to like about that? - that depends on personal preferance.  i am sure many men, especially dom, will find the different phases a woman go trough to be arousing for all sorts of various reasons.

#6 Sex 101.... and by the way trial and error can be fun [;)]

#7 Well duh!




lateralist1 -> RE: Something about Sex (1/11/2008 9:04:15 AM)

Ok John lets change the last bit to
I never enjoy sex unless I'm in control.
Is that better?
It doesn't matter what my lover does if I'm not in the mood I am not in the mood. And if he continues to press me it could change how I feel about him permanently.
Whereas if I am the right woman for him I can get him in the mood easily. If I'm not the right woman then what is he doing with me?
One of the problems I have found is that I have been a party to dragging relationships out sometimes well past their sell by date.
Because of all the obvious reasons and some not so obvious.
If it's a friendship type relationship then it's much better to be upfront about it. Communication is the key right from the beginning.
If you manage to get on as friends sometimes things change.




meticulousgirl -> RE: Something about Sex (1/11/2008 10:22:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LINQ

If you read all that you really need to find something useful to do


LOL dude you just flamed your own post!!!!!!!!




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