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Ash Slavery - 1/10/2008 8:46:04 PM   
Action


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Long time no see, I've been busy for the holidays and busier now making plans to see some lovely smoking buddy slaves. One I've recently met who's coming for a first time meet with me is an ashtray slave.

A quick note on what that is incase anyone dosn't know. He gets off on the idea of me smoking cigs/cigars/joints anything and tapping it out and snuffing it out over his tongue.

But dispite my eagerness and love of the idea it is mentaly one of the few fetishes I don't understand. It dosn't dull my eagerness at all so don't take this post the wrong way. I guess Im always eager to understand every fetish I get involved in. That includes knowing how the mental drive for such wants get started.

Anyone wana take a guess or experinced Ashtray slaves/Mistress might want to inlighten an ever seeking young Miss in her voyage of knowledge?

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/10/2008 8:52:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Action
I guess Im always eager to understand every fetish I get involved in. That includes knowing how the mental drive for such wants get started.



Did you ask him? This will be interesting. I always want to know the details of what started the particular fetish or interest of my submissive (or a good prospective applicant ), and how he recognized his submission in the first place.


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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/10/2008 8:56:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Action
I guess Im always eager to understand every fetish I get involved in. That includes knowing how the mental drive for such wants get started.



Did you ask him? This will be interesting. I always want to know the details of what started the particular fetish or interest of my submissive (or a good prospective applicant ), and how he recognized his submission in the first place.



Oh I have, and I also have my own ideas on it. But he's still very new to his own desires so its hard for him to articulate. All he says is becuase he wants to be used. But its a very specific fetish, usualy including leather/latex gloves, sunglasses and a cigar especially. He seems more happy about the more big and bold the smoking object is. So its why Im so curious to here from more experinced ones in this fetish


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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/10/2008 10:47:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like a manifestation of objectification, debasement, and abuse. Not very unusual in this community, really, just another way of getting there.

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/10/2008 10:49:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've known some submissives who get into this type of experience, and from some of the people I've known, the lure is often twofold: First, it ranks as a very submissive, condescending behavior where a woman shows such disdain (or control, if there's not a disdain or contempt dynamic) towards the submissive that she puts out a cigarette on his tongue. At the same time, there's a smoking fetish that often fuels this desire, which I would imagine the submissive may take some great pleasure in the smoking activity you would do as well as the putting out of the cigarette. The second lure is that of the actual pain caused by the putting out of the cigarette on the tongue. It's a very specific type of pain that operates on a fundamental level for some submissives (some of whom I've known who aren't all that into most other types of pain, like whipping and flogging).

Anyway, there could be any other number of motivations as well, including both simple and complex humiliation. It's hard to really tell more based on not really speaking to the submissive or observing any of the interactions.

Hope this helps some.


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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/10/2008 10:58:33 PM   
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Ask him when he recalls having this fetish start for him.  I am guessing (he may or may not admit this to you) that something happened when he was in his early years  - maybe he observed or somehow was involved -- that solidified this fetish for him.  I always feel that the more SPECIFIC the fetish, the more it relates to something observed when younger (not necessarily bad, or good, or indifferent - just something he came in contact with).

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 1:11:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I get the idea of being used...but why I have a sub that buys my cigarette butts/ashes that I send to him across the country, I don't get . I don't question it too much though - paying for my daughter to take music lessons!

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 7:03:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn

I've known some submissives who get into this type of experience, and from some of the people I've known, the lure is often twofold: First, it ranks as a very submissive, condescending behavior where a woman shows such disdain (or control, if there's not a disdain or contempt dynamic) towards the submissive that she puts out a cigarette on his tongue. At the same time, there's a smoking fetish that often fuels this desire, which I would imagine the submissive may take some great pleasure in the smoking activity you would do as well as the putting out of the cigarette. The second lure is that of the actual pain caused by the putting out of the cigarette on the tongue. It's a very specific type of pain that operates on a fundamental level for some submissives (some of whom I've known who aren't all that into most other types of pain, like whipping and flogging).

Anyway, there could be any other number of motivations as well, including both simple and complex humiliation. It's hard to really tell more based on not really speaking to the submissive or observing any of the interactions.

Hope this helps some.



Very well said, a little note added onto my information about this slave though is that he actualy dosn't smoke himself, dosn't like smoking but is fixed on having a Mistress that smokes heavly. Its not the first time I've run across this, but it is something I especially want to hear from actual subs who've delt with this or any Mistress' that cater to it.


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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 11:03:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm somewhat curious...how safe is this?

Flicking ashes into his mouth shouldn't be an issue and I wouldn't wonder about that, but putting out a cigarette/cigar on his tongue sounds like it could cause some real serious damage. Cigarette burns on your skin can have very bad effects and leave nasty looking scars.

I know the tongue is fairly sturdy and can heal well, and I'm sure all the saliva around would help extinguish a little before it hit skin and to help cool it afterwards, but it still seems risky.

The closes I've come is I used to do a trick where I'd stick a lit match in my mouth and hold it in my teeth. As long as your mouth is completely shut it quickly uses up the available oxygen so it's pretty safe. Your mouth just glows for a few seconds as you freak out your friends. But there were times when I screwed up and touched the lit match to my tongue which did hurt. Nothing that didn't heal after a few days, and the flame was instantly extinguished once it got wet.

Still, dousing a lit match seems different to me than grinding a cigarette into somebody's tongue.

Anyone have first hand experience?

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 11:10:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		When Ive used my boys mouth as an ashtray ive always just flicked it onto his tongue and then when I have finished it I fill his mouth with water with his head tipped back and drop it in (carefully) .  On 2 occasions he has swallowed the stub.  Whilst it was quite satisfying at the time he felt like shit for a while an hour or so after.  From now on he will spit it out after.  For us its about me using him for whatever I want, we both get turned on by it Its hard to pinpoint the reasons really I think he likes it because it makes him feel small in a way.  Have fun and concentrate on what your doing it really hurts if you get it wrong lol.

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 11:21:17 AM   
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When Ive used my boys mouth as an ashtray ive always just flicked it onto his tongue and then when I have finished it I fill his mouth with water with his head tipped back and drop it in (carefully) .  On 2 occasions he has swallowed the stub.  Whilst it was quite satisfying at the time he felt like shit for a while an hour or so after.  From now on he will spit it out after.  For us its about me using him for whatever I want, we both get turned on by it Its hard to pinpoint the reasons really I think he likes it because it makes him feel small in a way.  Have fun and concentrate on what your doing it really hurts if you get it wrong lol.


I'd be alot more conerened for his safty if it wasn't what he specificly wants. I've always just tapped it into previous slaves myself and yes its pretty harmless but he's so adament about eating, being burned the whole lot. We'll see when he comes to visit weather if he's as serious as he says.


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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 6:13:45 PM   
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...a little note added onto my information about this slave though is that he actually doesn't smoke himself, doesn't like smoking but is fixed on having a Mistress that smokes heavily.  It's not the first time I've run across this, but it is something I especially want to hear from actual subs who've dealt with this or any Mistresses that cater to it.


This may come across sounding a little coy, but... a slave with a death wish for his mistress?  Hmmm.  In as much as the whole service, total submission, stamp that stogy out on the tongue thing is hot, watching my partner die of cancer is anything but sexy.  Accordingly, I'm not so sure I'd participate in this.  Yeah, I know you enjoy a reefer, but I'd still not encourage you to stick cigarettes and other smoky things in your mouth.  Sorry.  I know this isn't the advice you want to hear.

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When I've used my boys mouth as an ashtray I've always just flicked it onto his tongue and then when I have finished it I fill his mouth with water with his head tipped back and drop it in (carefully).  On 2 occasions he has swallowed the stub.  Whilst it was quite satisfying at the time he felt like shit for a while an hour or so after.  From now on he will spit it out after.


Gee.  Double whammy.  Today, I'm pretty sure I'll be granted the "Bugger Off Safety Police" award. :-)  That said, I have a suspicion that the stub/filter of some cigarettes is reasonably toxic.  In other words, I don't think it's safe to swallow so I strongly recommend avoiding this.  No wonder your boy felt ill.  He probably ingested poison.

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I'd be alot more conerened for his safty if it wasn't what he specificly wants.  I've always just tapped it into previous slaves myself and yes it's pretty harmless but he's so adament about eating, being burned the whole lot.  We'll see when he comes to visit weather if he's as serious as he says.


See my comment (above) on canupleaseme's post.  A boy may strongly eroticize something, but that doesn't make it safe.  If you are going to go ahead, I'd at least research what the impacts are of ingesting cigarette butts.  Don't trust kink sites.  Talk to a kink-friendly doctor and also see what the cigarette companies say.  Yeah.  I know.  This might be difficult to cull together.  Good luck. :-)

Elan.

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/11/2008 6:18:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting....i have this same fetish and love my mouth to be used as an ashtray sometimes, i'm glad to see i'm not the only submissive into this kind of thing.

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/12/2008 1:51:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Elansubdued :  Sometimes you have to learn the had way and I guess we did.  I spoke to my friend who is a nurse and she said he it was probably because of the amount of nicotene in the stub and the fact that he is a non smoker, he had the same reaction others may experience if they use a nicorete patch that is too strong for them or they smoke while on a strong patch.  Needless to say we did learn from it we gave it two goes because the 1st time it could of been a number of reasons why he felt ill (stomach bugs in the family).  I think the main thing here is definatly to work out the whole burning thing.  That would worry me more than having him swallow a fag butt !! 

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RE: Ash Slavery - 1/12/2008 1:56:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm...well, if you can understand furniture fetishes or toilet slavery, I think you can figure how the being used and aloofness (or, depending on the Dominant, intimacy) could apply to ashtrays.

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