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Too big for bondage??? - 1/12/2008 3:05:11 PM   
sweetsubie


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Status: offline 		Hi there, wasnt sure where to post this but here it goes.
Can a sub be physically incapeable of enduring heavy bondage due to weight?

Has any Dom here ever experinced great difficulty with rope bondage or other due to thier sub being over weight?



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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/12/2008 3:11:21 PM   
ownedgirlie


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Status: offline 		I have not heard of this, but I understand that suspension could be a problem.

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/12/2008 3:17:25 PM   
topcat


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Status: offline 		Dear SS,
 
There are some factors that come into play in some cases- you can hang a 100 girl from the wrists without damaging joints (yes, yes, i know all about crucifixtion effect) whereas at 200 lbs you arew going to run into problems. It's easier to tie firm fit flesh tighly without doing damage than it is to tie a fluffy subject. Some postures or positions would be harder on a larger/heavier subject
 
Outside of that sort of thing, unless a subject is obese enough to have range of motion issues, I don't see a barrier to bondage.
 
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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/12/2008 6:01:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, of course the physics of things are going to be different, but if you're wondering if it's totally impossible, no way. A few things might be out of the question, though, without a lot of room and heavy equipment....try hanging a 7 foot 800 pound man in your tiny apartment closet, eh?

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 11:43:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		one may be too "big" for suspension but, i dont see any problem with bigger girls being tied up for the sake of being tied up in normal bondage.

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 12:54:25 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		There are all kinds of bondage/hogtie positions that are more difficult, if not impossible, with an obese sub.  The flesh gets in the way.

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 1:00:31 PM   
topcat


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Status: offline 		Dear SS-
 
Can we start over? Clarify 'bondage' and 'overweight'...
 
Simple restraint? Shibari? Hogties? Strappado?
 
Chubby? Obese? Morbidly obese?

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 1:05:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know that I can not do a lot of bondage positions because I am not flexible enough, and being fatter makes laying in one position painful cause I am to heavy to be on that spot for long.

IE layingon my stomache makes me feel like I am suffercating cause I can't breath to good because I am to heavy for that position, and when I was skinny laying on my tummy only hurt cause my big boobs got in the way.

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 1:30:35 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Range of movement and suspension can  definitely be an issue, tightness of rope into the folds of  flesh can be an issue.  I love arm binders, but some shoulders just cant get back that far, let alone elbows,  but you can use bondage tape or saran to get them together without being too tight. You can get hog ties with adjustable straps or use chain, rope, etc to extend it to the wrists/ankles. There are many ways around it, but If you are into the aesthetics  more than the sensation (for the bottom) of bondage (which is of course your perogative), you may not get the same satisfaction. Yes maybe more safety concerns, pressure points, lack of circulation issues, weight bearing rope, what to do if theres an issue/fainting, falling etc etc etc, but its not impossible, just needs more care:)
just my two cents
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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 2:39:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am a 200lbs sub. i'm 5ft 2 and so far have had most of the bondage I can handle - the advantage is i have big boobs which look far better in bondage. but i would like a flatter tummy - its in the plans once 'um' arrives. the only thing i havent been able to do the the upside down by feet suspension becuase i get too faint but i thinkt hat would happen if i was 140lbs...

a suggestion is more rope, a good secure connection for your bolts and things should be ok. if all else fails get a standing sling - the extreme restaints one takes 400lbs and works good :)


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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/13/2008 2:54:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have learned to take extra precautions with larger persons-- don't want any perm damages, nor unbearable discomfort that would make it an unpleasant experience.

But I simply adore admiring a larger body being roped!

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/14/2008 10:52:48 AM   
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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/14/2008 11:24:58 AM   
chellekitty


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Status: offline 		suspension can be done with a person of any size, you just have to do it differently...more support points, the structure and the rope has to be able to support the weight of the person....ie. the working load of the rope must accomodate the weight of the person, the furniture or beams that they are being suspended from must be able to support the weight, any connectors must be able to support the weight as well...then the rope should be wrapped around the bottom more times than you would a lighter bottom to distribute the weight on that particular point...also the average heavier person cannot support their entire weight on just their arms for a long period of time (and not that many lighter people can either...for that matter)  but you may have to have more support points along the trunk of the body, because that is where all people carry their weight...anyway...all that said...an Top should not even think about doing this type of thing if they have not at least thought about all this, and hopefully recieved some kind of education in it, whether it be in a class format or a peer to peer format...

as for other types of bondage...it all depends on the person, at my heaviest and a size 28, i was more flexible than many size 6 to size 10 women i knew....but i could not kneel for extended periods of time...every person is different, every person has their physical strengths and weaknesses, likes and dislikes...to s-types, know yours and don't be ashamed to let them be known...to D-types, it is not an insult to you to listen to an s-type about their strengths and weaknesses, likes and dislikes...when a scene flows well, it makes you look good...

just my two cents
chelle


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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/14/2008 11:34:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Take lessons from someone experienced with rope and tying all kinds of people.

One person I can highly recommend is Mark Yu.  Here is a link to his web site.
http://www.thejadegate.org/

Best of luck with your rope adventures.

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/15/2008 9:27:23 AM   
sweetsubie


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quote:

ORIGINAL: topcat

Dear SS-
 
Can we start over? Clarify 'bondage' and 'overweight'...
 
Simple restraint? Shibari? Hogties? Strappado?
 
Chubby? Obese? Morbidly obese?


Bondage as in Shibari and Hogties and when i say over weight I mean 205lbs and 5"7 in height.

Ok well clearly I'm talking about me here... was in the middle of a session and things were going great lots of ropes and tying up and stuff and then we had an incident (nothing majour just a little hickup), But Master came to the conclusion that my "weight" was the the result of our issue... so I basically wanted to know if this or something remotely similar had happened to any of you guys.

Thanks a million for all your replies so far.

Claire

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/25/2008 3:33:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good question as i would also like to know this.

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/25/2008 5:03:03 PM   
snowandsub


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Status: offline 		he might want to check out the latest issue of Secret Magazine as its got a whole article about bondage on large girls (http://www.secretmag.com/Magazines/MagazinesIssues.php#CurrentIssue)  article is " Shibari skills on very large girls by Alberto Lisi," might be worth googling. 

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/25/2008 5:15:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen people Much larger than myself in  suspension i am 6'2'' 240  and could stand to loose a wee bit of weight  though  many years of lifting weights  and being active helps . If your just looking at  sheer numbers vs body fat % that may play a part .I am not so concerned about fat or weight  but over all health .Any and all health problems or health concerns should be made known .Also joint ligament and tendon health as does circulation also play a part too .When doing a partial or full body  suspension on a larger person  more attention need s to be on distribution and balance of the points and rope placement .Like instead of a single point  suspension multi would be used .If your just talking  bondage of any kind size does not really matter .Everyone has varied flexibilities that need to be taken into account . 

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/25/2008 7:06:47 PM   
petdave


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Status: offline 		"Incident" is kinda vague... i'm pretty far overweight at 240#, but i've done a lot of different kinds of bondage, and i've seen impressive things done with people heavier than i... Bondage is an art, not a science, and different people react to it in different ways. The trick is to think of it as a learning experience rather than a failure.

Along with the obvious suspension issues, the only other reason i see weight as being a problem is in situations where the Top has to move the bottom, or where the sub has circulation issues (more common with people who are overweight). Problems with (unwanted) pain and loss of circulation can usually be solved by wider contact points, less tension, and/or a better knowledge of anatomy. 

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RE: Too big for bondage??? - 1/26/2008 2:17:07 AM   
Guilty1974


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Status: offline 		I've tied several bigger women. Some things are slightly more difficult, but most I'd say is just as possible as with thinner girls. It just requires a little more skill. Suspension may or may not be possible. There's bigger women who can do just one type of suspension, and women who can do the whole range. It depends on more factors than just being big, so you will have to find out for yourself how far you are able to go.

Actually, bigger people seem to have less issues with nerve compression.

Sometimes, however, you need to adapt bondage a little. For instance, the standard Japanese style takate-kote (arms-behind-the-back) harness is often difficult for bigger people as well as for more muscled men, as they often can't place their arms U-shaped behind their back as either fat or muscles get in the way. On our website we have a tutorial for an adaption of that harness that's at least suitable for floor work and some partial suspensions (you can find that here)

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