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Subspace? - 1/12/2008 11:46:43 PM

tinoketsheli

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Hi - forgive me for asking a question that I am sure has been asked over and over again...

What exactly is subspace?? And is it only achieved through some form of pain??

And would you recommend it? If yes, how do you recommend achieving it?

(I have a vague idea of what it is...)

Thanks guys!

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RE: Subspace? - 1/12/2008 11:51:41 PM

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Try this.

Lots of reading for you

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RE: Subspace? - 1/12/2008 11:55:56 PM

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RE: Subspace? - 1/12/2008 11:57:58 PM

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There have been lots of threads on this and if you do a search, you will find them. However, my simplest, nutshell, definition is that subspace is almost like an altered state of consciousness that could be brought on by any number of things (endorphin or adrenaline rush, emotional or physical effects of some sort, or some other thing). The feelings vary from person to person. That's just my Cliff Notes definition and all I can come up with at nearly 3 a.m. on a Sunday.

I'm sure others will elaborate for you.

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RE: Subspace? - 1/12/2008 11:59:30 PM

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ok - thank you very much! it is a lot of reading - to be honest i just read the first page of the first one that came up... very interesting

I wanted to ask a further question then - I found a quote and I want ya'lls opinion on it.

"Just playing, it's a valid question if you are new to the lifestyle and haven't ever scened with a good dom or domme before."

Do you think only a "good" dom or domme can put someone in subspace?

I have been with my Dom for a little while and I came to him completely inexperienced. He has a bit more experience than me (I dont know if has actually had a proper sub like I am for him... so I cant give you more on his background because I just dont know) but not much - do you think someone who is still kind of new can manage it??

And still - would you recommend it because it sounds semi-dangerous...

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:07:15 AM

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I can't say whether or not he will bring you to subspace, maybe he will, maybe not. Time will tell.

As for subspace being dangerous, well, I don't know what you mean. I've been there several times and have lived to see another day. Remember that subspace and outer space are not the same thing - it's not like you need a space suit, oxygen mask or any special equipment.

It's a good thing (at least it has been for me).
Your mileage may vary.

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:18:01 AM

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Obviously you've never visited the outer reaches. Hmph, I'm disappointed in you.

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Remember that subspace and outer space are not the same thing - it's not like you need a space suit, oxygen mask or any special equipment.

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:18:27 AM

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I think it's only dangerous if you have an inexperinced dominant who'd leave you alone and voulnerable when you obviously shouldn't or some stupid thing like that inexperince or lack of careing about it can make someone do.

I can't tell you what any one elses space is like for them, so I wouldn't recomend it for every one, but for me hell yes I'd recomend I go there everytime I played, it's an awsome sensation to me.

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And still - would you recommend it because it sounds semi-dangerous...

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:18:54 AM

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hey - i will try and explain what i mean by dangerous... in my opinion it is kind of coming across to me like a drugged like state. and you know when you take some drugs you require a sitter, is it like that? I guess I am also a little spooked because I was reading the other thread about convulsions and hysterics occuring in subspace...

but i understand what you are saying - Thank you guys - I am definately going to talk to my dom about it...

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:33:45 AM

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What exactly is subspace??

For, it's a kinda floaty feeling where I'm not really in my body but feels really good and is pretty funny.

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And is it only achieved through some form of pain??

Nope. Tonight I achieved it by chasing lights on the floor and having a lot of people dangle their keys in front of me. Prolonged kitty play in a group of people is fucking awesome.

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And would you recommend it?

Yup. Just be aware that if you get high enough you may crash.

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If yes, how do you recommend achieving it?

I really can't advise someone on how to do it. Until tonight I was completely unaware that I could achieve by it simply by having a group of people let me a kitten and play with me in a completely non-sexual and non-pain based manner for a few hours. Just have fun and do what you enjoy.

BTW, I hope this made sense. I'm still pretty floaty...

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:35:27 AM

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wouldn't know I never did drugs cept once, and I was just fine, my eyes dialated and I wanted to sleep once the WHEEEEE I AM AWAKE AND HYPER phase wore off, but it was the extent of the effects. But again that's where I'd say being a smart dominant comes in. Being vigiulant, watching them, not leaving them alone and totaly unattended when clearly they're not themself.

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:38:56 AM

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And still - would you recommend it because it sounds semi-dangerous...

I've been there tons of times and usually don't even crash. I mostly crash after getting really high - think being up on a cross for over an hour or two. For me, it's an utterly delightful experience.

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:42:36 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Obviously you've never visited the outer reaches. Hmph, I'm disappointed in you.

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

Remember that subspace and outer space are not the same thing - it's not like you need a space suit, oxygen mask or any special equipment.

What can I say, LaM? I'm not into astronaut play. However, ass play... well now, that's just a different story.

(Hope not having space suit experience still makes me twue and weal...) LOL...

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:44:38 AM

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again I am chiming in for myself, no it does not always take pain to put me in my happy floaty sub space. Pleasant contact like scratching my skin with his nails, or running a massage toy on my ticklish skin rubbing my feet, my neck my hands, ect ect. All VERY good tickets into my space. for me I am happy I feel floaty and warm and safe and all wrapped up in a fresh clean warm cacoon sensation.sometimes I feel more submissive to him than I really am under normal circumstances. like submission levels go from a scale of 1 to 10, a 6 when I am normaly only a 3.

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What exactly is subspace?? And is it only achieved through some form of pain??

Thanks guys!

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:45:05 AM

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quote:

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hey - i will try and explain what i mean by dangerous... in my opinion it is kind of coming across to me like a drugged like state. and you know when you take some drugs you require a sitter, is it like that? I guess I am also a little spooked because I was reading the other thread about convulsions and hysterics occuring in subspace...

but i understand what you are saying - Thank you guys - I am definately going to talk to my dom about it...

If you read all the prior threads on this (you'll be very very old when you're done

) you will find many experience and/or reach it differently. As far as being dangerous, I often have found that place where I feel like I'm floating and everything is glowly and good. The only dangerous part I've experienced of that is that if you're with someone that doesn't know when to stop and you aren't in a mental state to say it yourself it could lead to injury and subdrop can follow it which isn't fun but is temporary and aftercare can make a huge difference with that.

However, I have also on rare occasion with much more intense play reached a state where I was just totally gone and not responsive or comprehending or able to move and had a low body temperature, mild shakes and had a huge hangoverish feeling for a day or two afterwards and was very very tired as in almost nonfunctional tired. I'm not sure that was not mild shock personally and at the time it seemed great, but in retrospect, it's not something I seek to repeat as it was a bit alarming.

I couldn't say how YOU get there, but when you do you will know it. I do think that the greater amount of trust you have in your partner and the more skilled they are at ramping you up, the better chance you may have. Then again, that's just from my own observations and reading many threads on the subject.

Good luck!

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 12:48:02 AM

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I crash pretty regularly, how hard and how bad depends on how hard he played me and how much I took for him, and if I had any kind of decent and prolonged after care.

Lately with Daddy I get sleepy after play in theexpesially the raido intruding on my sleepyness. I hate the radio anyway but when I am s*leepy and just want calm don't fuc k that up for me by turning some obnoxious noise on lol.

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I've been there tons of times and usually don't even crash. I mostly crash after getting really high - think being up on a cross for over an hour or two. For me, it's an utterly delightful experience.

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 1:04:36 AM

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What exactly is subspace??

To me it's an altered state of consciousness akin to deep meditation.... All is quiet in my mind.... There is nothing except the Dom and his orders. Everything becomes simple, an equation - he orders and I act. That's all.

And is it only achieved through some form of pain??

NO.... some people do find it this way (something to do with endorphins and pain).... I do it ... create it in myself by breathing and letting go of worries. I find it helpful though to be with someone who INSPIRES a deeper level of submission by me. The more trust that is achieved, the deeper the subspace.
And would you recommend it?

Oh my goodness yes.... But be careful, it is a place of intense vulnerability so you will want to make sure you are safe. It allows me the ability to be even more submissive and to follow instructions without judgment (why does he want me to lie on the floor? It's cold there.). Nope, I just lie down. But if he told me to light myself on fire, I'd pop right out of subhead space. That's why I'd only be with someone who would keep me safe.

If yes, how do you recommend achieving it?

Find the way that works for you. Some people find it thruogh pain or being slapped in the face, some through bondage, inability to speak, having a collar snapped into place, whatever. Doing some kind of service helps me get there - cleaning his shoes or setting up the room the way he likes it or something like that - a physical task that puts all my focus on him, his comfort, his desires... That helps me get there. Experiment and enjoy.

Have fun!

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 1:18:42 AM

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However, I have also on rare occasion with much more intense play reached a state where I was just totally gone and not responsive or comprehending or able to move and had a low body temperature, mild shakes and had a huge hangoverish feeling for a day or two afterwards and was very very tired as in almost nonfunctional tired. I'm not sure that was not mild shock personally and at the time it seemed great, but in retrospect, it's not something I seek to repeat as it was a bit alarming.

OK Laurell, inquiring minds up in the wee hours of the morning. this sounds scary... care to share?
girly

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 1:29:58 AM

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Share what?

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RE: Subspace? - 1/13/2008 1:32:07 AM

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Share what?

You made reference to a scary subspace experience.

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