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wankerforuse -> Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 5:04:59 PM)
That are hunting the whales for scientific research,which as we all know is bollocks.As they are just hunting them cause the Japanese nation eat whales as a delicousy,basically.Greenpeace plan a non aggresive confrontation and it's way overdue this confrontation in my opinion,that is. As the mass killing of defenceless whales is so inhumane.As im a veggie so im particulary annoyed at the Japanese whalers who seem to be a law unto themselves.Well i hope they get their comeuppance soon i really do.Im so sorry for any spelling mistakes,im just so annoyed which has affected my spelling.But i hope you all understand where im coming from.My best wishes to you all from Paul.

Muttling -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 6:46:59 PM)
Green Peace is the NICE guys when it comes to anti-whaling. Check out the Sea Shepards activities. They're the ones who have rammed a number of whaling vessels and they are also hunting the Japanese whaling fleet. http://www.seashepherd.org/whales/ The Sea Shepards also patrol the waters around the Galapagos Islands under a joint patrol agreement with Ecuador. http://www.seashepherd.org/galapagos/galapagos_sea_shepherd_history.html

Coerced2Please -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 6:55:11 PM)
quote: Check out the Sea Shepards activities. They're the ones who have rammed a number of whaling vessels and they are also hunting the Japanese whaling fleet. sea sheperds are really worth checking out. their site has video of a sideswipe of a ultramodern super lethal "whaling research vessel". whaling is so sad and probably can't ever be stopped

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 8:11:25 PM)
All animals that humans eat are practically defenseless. I really don't understand this urge to save only certain species from the dinner plate. Whaling is an ancient part of Japanese culture. It's an ancient part of many indigenous peoples all over the world. Yet, you don't see Greenpeace "confronting" Inuits on the open seas. Now, I have no desire to eat whale meat. But whales are like any other creature that humans harvest from the ocean. The number can be maintained and even grow through responsible, sensible international aggreements on harvesting them. A complete ban on whaling is neither practical or wise.

Muttling -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 9:10:42 PM)
I am an avid hunter, meat eater, and environmentalist. They whale populations remain depleted from centuries of over harvesting and deserve protection. The Japanese wanted to harvest some humpbacks this year (fortunately they backed down under international pressure.) I am curious as to why you claim a complete ban on whaling would not be wise at the current time? This is not like deer, rabbit, turkey, or other species where the predators are gone and the population grows at a blistering pace. The primary predator of whales are Orca. However, only one pod has been documented as hunting whales and the hunting was limited to Blue Whales which are still endangered. (On a sad note: The last I heard, the pod hadn't been spotted in several years and was feared dead.) If we ever get to a whale over population issue, we can easily alleviate that but I don't think we ever will and we're certainly not there now.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 9:42:48 PM)
Because, the animals that are in no danger of becoming extinct are the animals managed by humans. You can't tell me that a large part of the reason for people's outrage over whaling has to do with people's perceptions of whales' intelligence. Whales are intelligent animals, but so are pigs. With the exception of staunch vegans, I don't hear anyone getting up in arms about us eating pork. Yes, whales are endangered and it is due to irresponsible harvesting by humans in the 19th and early 20th centuries. However, American bison were at one time facing extinction, but now they no longer are. The primary reason that bison populations have rebounded is because humans now maintain them and harvest them for use.

Muttling -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/13/2008 11:18:31 PM)
However, the range of the Bison herd and size of the herd has been dramatically reduced from natural levels to allow our use of their range land. The primary reason the herd must be hunted is to keep it limited to a size that is suitable for it's current day ranges. This is not true of aquatic species such as whales. I'm sure you are correct in the majority of people's passion concerning whaling, but it is not my reasoning for it. Another species that is showing extreme stress but there is very little uproar over it are the Marlins. They are steadily reducing in number and the size of the Marlins being caught today are tiny compared to what was being caught up through the 1970's.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/14/2008 2:20:07 AM)
I eat meat. So I am not exactly coming to this topic with my hands unblemished. That said, I am concerned for the ethical treatment of animals of all kinds, all over the world. We members of the most dominant species on the planet owe the rest of the planet the best stewardship of which we are capable. Sometimes that means thinning the herd, sometimes it means raising animals for consumption, sometimes it means leaving a species alone, etc. We must make difficult decisions to assure the survival and the propagation of the animals we hunt as food. If we hunt any animal to the brink we have only ourselves to blame. The shame of it is all ours. We have so many other options.

YesMistressIrish -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/14/2008 6:39:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro I eat meat. So I am not exactly coming to this topic with my hands unblemished. That said, I am concerned for the ethical treatment of animals of all kinds, all over the world. We members of the most dominant species on the planet owe the rest of the planet the best stewardship of which we are capable. Sometimes that means thinning the herd, sometimes it means raising animals for consumption, sometimes it means leaving a species alone, etc. We must make difficult decisions to assure the survival and the propagation of the animals we hunt as food. If we hunt any animal to the brink we have only ourselves to blame. The shame of it is all ours. We have so many other options. Yes, what SugarMyChurro said above.... [:D]

Feric -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 5:32:09 PM)
Twenty-three spelling and grammatical errors later, I can see you're quite put out, Paul. Bear in mind that the Japanese people think and act in groups--so if Greenpeace can catch images of the falsity of the "scientific mission" and get a broadcast out of it, the impact will be considerably greater both worldwide and in the Japanese community. I've not forgotten a Greenpeace video from several years ago, showing a Japanese sailor catching a shark, slicing off the dorsal fin (for a soup) and then throwing back the wounded shark! Yes, the Japanese taste for delicacies is strong, which is a reflection of both their tastes and their sense of tradition. There are a few festivals and rituals for which the consumption of whale meat is considered a requirement. This is one of the justifications they will use to support the hunt.

wankerforuse -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 5:38:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Feric Twenty-three spelling and grammatical errors later, I can see you're quite put out, Paul. Bear in mind that the Japanese people think and act in groups--so if Greenpeace can catch images of the falsity of the "scientific mission" and get a broadcast out of it, the impact will be considerably greater both worldwide and in the Japanese community. I've not forgotten a Greenpeace video from several years ago, showing a Japanese sailor catching a shark, slicing off the dorsal fin (for a soup) and then throwing back the wounded shark! Yes, the Japanese taste for delicacies is strong, which is a reflection of both their tastes and their sense of tradition. There are a few festivals and rituals for which the consumption of whale meat is considered a requirement. This is one of the justifications they will use to support the hunt. Oh yes im very put out lol,so long as i get my message across thats all that matters.As i don't expect to win a prize for literacy from this website or it's members lol.

wankerforuse -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 6:04:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Because, the animals that are in no danger of becoming extinct are the animals managed by humans. You can't tell me that a large part of the reason for people's outrage over whaling has to do with people's perceptions of whales' intelligence. Whales are intelligent animals, but so are pigs. With the exception of staunch vegans, I don't hear anyone getting up in arms about us eating pork. Yes, whales are endangered and it is due to irresponsible harvesting by humans in the 19th and early 20th centuries. However, American bison were at one time facing extinction, but now they no longer are. The primary reason that bison populations have rebounded is because humans now maintain them and harvest them for use. Im very sorry i strongly disagree with everything you have said whales are an endagered species and should be protected and not hunted for gods sake.As for what the Japanese whaling fleet are doing i think it is immoral. They are the ones who should be locked up,for being insane.But the Japanese nation have always eaten strange things and claimed it's a delicousy,what utter rubbish.What the Japanese nation are doing through via their whaling fleet,is an outrage against nature,and against mother earth,and against everything i strongly beleive in.And i commend Greenpeace for their actions. Also about pigs now matey lots of people don't want to eat pigs,thats why we have many vegans and veggies throughout the whole world.In my opinion no animal should be killed for our pleasure or for a human to consume also this is barbaric.I bet you could'nt kill your own pig or whale and then prepare it to be cooked and then eaten.Basically cause you know it is so immoral.So don't lecture me old mate thanks very much indeed.

popeye1250 -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 6:12:00 PM)
Fuckin' Greenspan, I thought he was retired.

Najakcharmer -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 6:45:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wankerforuse They are the ones who should be locked up,for being insane.But the Japanese nation have always eaten strange things and claimed it's a delicousy,what utter rubbish. And those weird gaijin, I hear they eat bee vomit and drink the juice squeezed from cows. When the cow squeezed juice spoils and gets thick and lumpy, they eat that too. Barbaric. What utter rubbish. Oh, you like honey and milk and cheese and think that those foods are a delicacy? What a surprise. Someone from another culture might think that you were insane because you eat bee barf and lumpy rotten cow juice. But of course, they'd just be wrong, since they're not American. "Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of nature" - G. B. Shaw "He is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature." -Caesar, Act II, W. Shakespeare quote: I bet you could'nt kill your own pig or whale and then prepare it to be cooked and then eaten.Basically cause you know it is so immoral Okay. What would you like to bet?

Najakcharmer -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 6:59:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Because, the animals that are in no danger of becoming extinct are the animals managed by humans. Unfortunately it isn't quite as simple as that. Despite mass commercial farming of cattle, the genetics of the original wild cattle are all but lost due to highly selective breeding for human-marketable characteristics. The breeds that exist currently are not well adapted for life outside captivity. Despite zoo breeding programs, many types of big cats and several endangered snakes have been mismanaged into genetic dead-ends via department politics and misguided policies. The private sector has done considerably better in the breeding success department, but the less responsible end of the private sector is breeding for marketability, not original wild genetics, and as a result they have made about as much of a mess of species genetics as the AZA zoos have. The AZA has done such a horrible job of breeding lions, in part because of their elitie cliquishness and refusal to work outside their own club's boundaries or to learn from experts who didn't want to join the club, that a recent memo to member zoos made breeding all specimens an imperative regardless of mean kinship scores. Let me translate that for you - the AZA is now so desperate to make more lions from their existing stock while ignoring all lions that don't belong to club members that they're breeding mothers to sons. Creepy, neh? Pretty fucking disgusting if you ask me, but they have always been more interested in politics and money than in the proper management of a species for the sake of that species. Lions are not in the least bit hard to breed - making the AZA a laughingstock among people who actually do know what they're doing when it comes to working with big cats - so on the other end of the spectrum, the irresponsible "big cat farms" are pumping out kittens of very dubious genetics and selling them to even less responsible owners. Not good. The job can be managed properly, only it mostly isn't, thanks to politics and greed from both the AZA zoos and the private sector. Nope, humans just don't do a great job managing animals, sorry.

NaiveTempest -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 7:04:19 PM)
LOL, I agree with the point Najak is making. This is not about disrespecting other cultures, because to each their own, one man's trash is another's treasure and all the trite BS. Just because you don't want to eat meat, doesn't mean the rest will stay away from the steak. We'll share our potato though, lol. I often support Greenpeace in it's efforts, even given them money on occasion. I think that the ocean is too vast for us to "manage" the creatures that call it home, so protecting them by banning the harvesting of them is best. And maybe one day, when their numbers seem to be doing well, we can have hunting seasons or something. I just believe that like with everything else, it's all about moderation. Take only what you need and waste not, want not.

Coerced2Please -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 7:11:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou All animals that humans eat are practically defenseless. I really don't understand this urge to save only certain species from the dinner plate. Whaling is an ancient part of Japanese culture. It's an ancient part of many indigenous peoples all over the world. Yet, you don't see Greenpeace "confronting" Inuits on the open seas. Now, I have no desire to eat whale meat. But whales are like any other creature that humans harvest from the ocean. The number can be maintained and even grow through responsible, sensible international aggreements on harvesting them. A complete ban on whaling is neither practical or wise. this is errant nonsense. the number you're referring to may be a number above the endangered level, but that's the point. if goons like you had any influence we'd lose a dozen species a decade. but as long as they're in zoos, it's ok, right?

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 9:30:41 PM)
quote: I bet you could'nt kill your own pig or whale and then prepare it to be cooked and then eaten.Basically cause you know it is so immoral.So don't lecture me old mate thanks very much indeed. Wanker, I have hunted and fished. I have been doing both since I was 10 years old. I don't hunt that much anymore, because I don't have the time. But I am still an avid angler. I clean all my own fish, and I prepare them. I have also butchered and prepared many animals; including hogs, deer, chicken, turkey, quail, duck, rabbit, squirrel, frogs (ever been frog gigging?), snakes, racoons, and opossums. I grew up in the rural South, and this is not an uncommon thing for people here to learn at an early age. I don't care if you or anyone else wants to be a vegan. I understand your convictions, and that is fine with me. However don't tell me that I find eating meat to be immoral, and that I lack the moral fortitude to make my own supper. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I think learning hunting and fishing are essential skills that all people should possess. You may disagree with me, but watch who gets to eat if a major crisis were to happen. Humanity would not have survived or had it's current brain capacity if it had not been for eating meat.

Muttling -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 9:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: I bet you could'nt kill your own pig or whale and then prepare it to be cooked and then eaten.Basically cause you know it is so immoral.So don't lecture me old mate thanks very much indeed. Wanker, I have hunted and fished. I have been doing both since I was 10 years old. I don't hunt that much anymore, because I don't have the time. But I am still an avid angler. I clean all my own fish, and I prepare them. I have also butchered and prepared many animals; including hogs, deer, chicken, turkey, quail, duck, rabbit, squirrel, frogs (ever been frog gigging?), snakes, racoons, and opossums. I grew up in the rural South, and this is not an uncommon thing for people here to learn at an early age. I don't care if you or anyone else wants to be a vegan. I understand your convictions, and that is fine with me. However don't tell me that I find eating meat to be immoral, and that I lack the moral fortitude to make my own supper. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. I think learning hunting and fishing are essential skills that all people should possess. You may disagree with me, but watch who gets to eat if a major crisis were to happen. Humanity would not have survived or had it's current brain capacity if it had not been for eating meat. I have killed a deer in the morning, spent all afternoon butchering it myself, and had venison tenderloin on the grill that night. I have also taken wild hogs (but they stink FAR too much to be worth hunting IMO), turkey, elk, bear, many types of foul, and a number of small game species that wound up on my dinner table. I continue to hunt my favorites...........deer and turkey. That said, you have failed to respond to Najak's comments concerning RESPONSIBLE carnivorism. I love Japanese food and especially love fresh sushi. That said, I'm not into hunting species who are still growing into their ranges and that certainly includes whales.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Greenpeace has tracked down the Japanese whaleing fleet. (1/15/2008 10:14:49 PM)
Muttling and Najak, I see your points. I won't even try to approach what goes on at zoos or breeding societies. I don't know anything about either. I am not advocating the irresponsible use of animals or cruelty to animals in any way. I love animals, and there are a great deal of hunters, fisherman, breeders, etc. that despise. I won't go hunting with someone that thinks it's okay to use baiting or to hunt animals on a enclosed farm. I find both practices to be disgusting. I don't really like the fact that people hunt bears. Bears are one of my favorite animals, and I have never got my head around killing one of them. However, I think that bears have to be culled occasionally and hunting is the best method. As for whales, you are never going to see me in a boat firing a harpoon at a whale. I wouldn't go to watch a whale hunt. But I think a lot of the claims by environmentalists is bunk. The Japanese say that they can cull a certain amount and still maintain them. I don't see any reason to disbelieve them. After all; if they kill all of them, then there are no more. I still think it's hypocritical to allow indigenous peoples to hunt them, but tell the Japanese they should be more civilized. The Japanese have just as much of a tradition of hunting whales as the Inuit. The only difference is, we haven't expected the Inuit to "grow up" culturally. The majority of indigenous peoples of the world really don't have to do this anymore. P.S. Muttling, I won't hunt big game at all anymore. I never enjoyed deer hunting. I don't like waiting around in a tree and freezing my ass off. I don't want to have to carry them out of the woods, and I really don't care for deer meat all that much. I have a friend that brings me deer sausage and jerky every year. I will eat that, but it's not worth the effort for me. I agree with you about hogs. I can't stand being around someone cleaning the smelly bastards. About the only hunting I will do on occassion anymore is for squirrel, rabbit, and occasionally quail. I never enjoyed racoon or possum hunting, but I have done it. I kind of have a soft spot for coons, and possums are just smelly sons of bitches. I don't really hunt turkey. Honestly, I prefer the turkey I get from my local butcher to wild turkey. I have only hunted duck a few times, and I didn't really enjoy it. I don't much care for duck. Honestly, I get more satisfaction out of fishing. I used to go every weekend. But I have been too busy the last few months to make it out much.

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