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KindLadyGrey -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/18/2008 6:29:37 PM)

I think I lack the willpower to ever do that. I also think my boy would cry if I told him I was never going to kiss him again.

Obviously you and your Mistress need to discuss things, but in Grey-land this sort of prohibition seems terribly cruel.

My .02




SouthernSpankin -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/18/2008 7:06:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jssubc

While I have responded to posts I have never initiated one, so with a deep breath I’ll spit out a situation that has been troubling me. AAkasha’s question entitled “Limits of Cocksuckers” piqued my curiosity to actually ask a question. Mistress and I have been together for five years now and 24/7 for the last two. We love each other deeply and are happy. Over the last year the nature of our relationship has been evolving. I won’t bore you with details but suffice it to say that Mistresses expectations have been becoming more demanding and some degree of emotional distance has crept in. That is not to say we are moving apart, quite the opposite in fact. It would seem that the “colder” she becomes the more submissive I become, the closer we get. We have weekly “beer and wing” nights where we get a sitter, go out and speak freely of anything and everything. We make time to communicate and take it seriously. My question is this. In these chats, Mistress has remarked that she is finding it more and more inappropriate to kiss me. In her words “it just doesn’t seem right somehow”. I’m referring to lips to lips contact which I relish and Mistress used to. Mistress says that her feelings are just as strong toward me as they ever were, stronger in fact, it’s just the more she sees me as a slave the more uncomfortable it gets. Is this normal? Have others experienced this?



You bring up a pretty interesting dilemma. Some BDSM people absolutely crave the relationship with "emotional distance," they crave the "cold" relationship -- many of whom take it to the point of solely craving a BDSM relationship with zero romance and zero sex. It's a dark aspect of the BDSM world that is fascinating -- like you said, "It would seem that the 'colder' she becomes the more submissive I become, the closer we get." There is a lot to be said about the desire for those "cold" BDSM relationships. But you are also voicing a similarly valid concern, that, even though part of you likes the "colder" relationship (validly), another part of you misses the passionate kisses that you used to share on a more frequent basis. Fortunately for you, you have that weekly casual session with your Mistress where you get to sit down with her and communicate at ease. Basically, you just have to sit down and decide what you want. You say that "the 'colder' she becomes ... the closer we get." Yet, you also say that you miss the frequency of the passionate kisses that you had before. You just have to sit down and decide which direction of your relationship that you like more, and honestly communicate that to your Mistress during your weekly conversations.




homedespot -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/18/2008 7:24:11 PM)



First of all...use proper sentence structure....(paragraphs would also be nice).

(Allow me):

"While I have responded to posts, I have never initiated one, (and) so, with a deep breath, I’ll spit out a situation that has been troubling me; AAkasha’s question entitled; “Limits of Cocksuckers” piqued my curiosity to actually ask a question.

Mistress and I have been together for five years now, and 24/7 for the last two. We love each other deeply and are happy.

Over the last year the nature of our relationship has been evolving.  I won’t bore you with details but, suffice it to say that Mistress's expectations have become more demanding, and some degree of emotional distance has crept in. That is not to say we are moving apart, quite the opposite.

It would seem that the “colder” she becomes, the more submissive I become, and (yet) the closer we get. We have weekly “beer and wing(s) nights where we get a sitter, go out and speak freely of anything and everything.

We make time to communicate, and take it seriously.

My question is this;  In these chats, Mistress has remarked that she is finding it more and more inappropriate to kiss me. In her words “it just doesn’t seem right somehow”. I’m referring to "lips to lips" contact, which I relish, and Mistress used to.

Mistress says that her feelings are just as strong toward me as they ever were, indeed, stronger.   

It’s just (that) the more she sees me as a slave, the more uncomfortable it gets.

Is this normal?

Have others experienced this?"

.............

Yes.  Of course.

Clearly I...and anyone reading this, has only your vantage point.

A woman I used to date...an attorney...said; "There are 3 sides to every story....yours, hers...and the truth".

You might easily be telling the truth....but it's you're story.

I'm guessing you are telling the truth...but it's still your story.

Here's what I'm hearing (from your vantage point):

She's already interested in someone else.

She's made that clear.

You have several choices....the most important being (from a fellow sub); get out...she's shopping you.

Get out before you're old news.

You're already page 6...she's "better dealing" you.

(Better deal her first).
[/quote]

Jeepers Creepers!

First: screw off on the writing critique. he wrote from passion and feeling and not for an english class. Secondly he did tell the truth. Not his truth. Not my truth. Perhaps your relationships happen where people aren't honest and talk to each other but ours doesn't. We have been together for 5 years. He isn't going anywhere. I'm not shopping him. And you "fellow sub" are an idi*t.

As for the kissing thing. I have just found that as our relationship in the Domme/sub way deepens my "romantic" feelings lessen. For Me this has been FABULOUS and I'm really enjoying it, and jssubc. But it does also mean that I kiss less. Akasha pointed out that it can be like another form of denial. That is exactly how I think of it. Thank you for putting it so well.. The poor boy isn't going without being kissed ever again but the two hour long necking sessions of 5 years ago aren't around and I do feel that kissing him is a (very enjoyable for Me) reward for him. Reread what he wrote.

The colder I become the more submissive he becomes.

I like it when he is more submissive.

hence...and therefore...etc.

No I am not dumping him, in-fact, as he said our relationship is stronger and deeper then ever. But I don't see him, anymore, as a romantic partner. Sorry. I know that violates all your stupid rules of how things are "supposed" to look. I see him as a slave. My slave. Period. your profile says you are a "plain ole sub" and that (among others) you have a hard limit of shopping. Good. you are a submissive. you get to say "you can do this but you can't do that". He isn't. He's a slave...so to quote your profile.

Deal with it.

And as your eyes glaze over perhaps you might consider the fact that it is just better that way. Go glaze yourself.

J.










jssubc -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/18/2008 7:50:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SouthernSpankin




You bring up a pretty interesting dilemma. Some BDSM people absolutely crave the relationship with "emotional distance," they crave the "cold" relationship -- many of whom take it to the point of solely craving a BDSM relationship with zero romance and zero sex. It's a dark aspect of the BDSM world that is fascinating -- like you said, "It would seem that the 'colder' she becomes the more submissive I become, the closer we get." There is a lot to be said about the desire for those "cold" BDSM relationships. But you are also voicing a similarly valid concern, that, even though part of you likes the "colder" relationship (validly), another part of you misses the passionate kisses that you used to share on a more frequent basis. Fortunately for you, you have that weekly casual session with your Mistress where you get to sit down with her and communicate at ease. Basically, you just have to sit down and decide what you want. You say that "the 'colder' she becomes ... the closer we get." Yet, you also say that you miss the frequency of the passionate kisses that you had before. You just have to sit down and decide which direction of your relationship that you like more, and honestly communicate that to your Mistress during your weekly conversations.


Southern.
Thank you so much for getting it. You have stated exactly the point I was trying to make.
The conflict of feelings is a delicious quandry that I savour daily.
Thanks for understanding.




heartcream -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/18/2008 7:55:54 PM)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, kissing, mmmmmmmmm, kissing, mmmmmmmmm.




Justme696 -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 2:10:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, kissing, mmmmmmmmm, kissing, mmmmmmmmm.


haha  yes.... Hmm agrree :D    feeling of soft lips  hmmm




KMsAngel -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 2:24:28 AM)

personally, if i was in a relationship where kissing was withdrawn, i would withdraw myself  if ut couldn't be worked out. it brings up past baggage/rejection issues that will screw with my head and make ME withdraw emotionally and i won't go through that again. 




Justme696 -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 4:48:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KMsAngel

personally, if i was in a relationship where kissing was withdrawn, i would withdraw myself  if ut couldn't be worked out. it brings up past baggage/rejection issues that will screw with my head and make ME withdraw emotionally and i won't go through that again. 


yes I guess from now on it will screw with my head too. I think a kiss is a universal symbol for caring..when it is gone...the care has gone.




Dari -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 10:23:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Justme696

I think a kiss is a universal symbol for caring..when it is gone...the care has gone.


I disagree.  I have subs that get no kisses, but for whom I care a great deal - would even go so far as to say that I love them, but just not in the romantic way.  I care for and love a lot of people, vanilla and otherwise, that will never get a kiss from me, at least not on the lips - but that doesn't lessen the extent of my caring, it just denotes the nature of it.




shellzbythesea -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 10:30:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dari

I disagree.  I have subs that get no kisses, but for whom I care a great deal - would even go so far as to say that I love them, but just not in the romantic way.  I care for and love a lot of people, vanilla and otherwise, that will never get a kiss from me, at least not on the lips - but that doesn't lessen the extent of my caring, it just denotes the nature of it.



Exactly. 
 
For me, personally, kissing is romantic.  Because i want to be in a relationship that involves both D/s *and* vanilla dynamics, i need to be kissed.  i tried to be with someone who very rarely kissed me and that just messed with my head too much (especially when they kept saying we were both looking for the same thing...the fact that there were no kisses, meant that we were *not* seeking the same thing).




sophia37 -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 3:55:54 PM)

Have you in fact answered your own question? "In her words, “it just doesn’t seem right somehow”. I’m referring to lips to lips contact which I relish and Mistress used to.  it’s just the more she sees me as a slave the more uncomfortable it gets"

Focus on those words, since that is the heart of the matter. You need to get her to clarify. I didnt read the replies to your thread, as I didnt want them to distract me from your initial question. Hope I havent overlapped.




CalifChick -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 4:43:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sophia37

I didnt read the replies to your thread, as I didnt want them to distract me from your initial question. Hope I havent overlapped.


Well since his Domme herself replied, I think he got his answer.  [;)]

Cali




Griswold -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 5:29:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: sophia37

I didnt read the replies to your thread, as I didnt want them to distract me from your initial question. Hope I havent overlapped.


Well since his Domme herself replied, I think he got his answer.  [;)]

Cali



Indeed.

They both seem overly happy about their situation.

Considering the consensus seems to be that a relationship without kissing seems a shitty deal...I'm confused as to why he ever even asked the question frankly.




jssubc -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/19/2008 7:40:14 PM)

quote:

They both seem overly happy about their situation.

Considering the consensus seems to be that a relationship without kissing seems a shitty deal...I'm confused as to why he ever even asked the question frankly.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

Could be that I just plain curious and wanted to know what others had experienced.
You really should lay off the bitterness pills, they will turn you into a petty and spiteful person ...or perhaps it's to late.





hardbodysub -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/20/2008 9:55:25 AM)

quote:

Considering the consensus seems to be that a relationship without kissing seems a shitty deal...I'm confused as to why he ever even asked the question frankly.


Ummmm..... pretty severe logical flaw here. Even if your conclusion about the "consensus" is accepted, nobody would know about it if the question hadn't been asked.




LadyPact -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/20/2008 12:10:05 PM)

Actually, even though the answer is apparent now, I'm still glad the original was asked. 

There aren't many lip to lip kisses between My submissive and Myself.  Oh, there are plenty of kisses.  I am constantly kissing his forehead.  There are no restrictions of him kissing My feet, hands, or any other random place.  Actual mouth to mouth kisses, especially deep kisses don't happen often.  I noticed this Myself the other night, as an exception to the rule was taking place.  While he was sitting at My feet, I chose to kiss him.  Came out of My chair, actually.  Something W/we'll have a bit more of around here I think.  [;)]






QueenMarie -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/20/2008 12:35:10 PM)

I'm looking at going into a 24/7 relationship.  Strange as it may seem, one of my criteria for accepting someone into my life is if I find their kiss exceptional.   I may not want or feel the need to kiss them later but I know chemistry when I taste it!




venusinblu -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/20/2008 12:41:19 PM)

kissing is essential .. to me anyway and my Master kisses me for hours .. my scalp hurts a bit after all the hairpulling that goes with His kisses, but i am not complaining! 




CelticPrince -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/21/2008 9:49:25 AM)

js,

kissing is a form of equality expression. She is beginning to realize that and is moving away from it as she grows in her Domination mode.

CP




kallisto -> RE: A Kissing Question (1/21/2008 2:13:30 PM)

Kissing is personal.  If you've ever kissed someone  with your eyes open, looking deep into their eyes, you can see to their soul.  




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