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Jeffff -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 1:41:42 PM)

Even with all that, if the shit hits the fan he is fucked! Wishing things were different doesn't make it so. The OP has gotten more good advice here than is needed and since you can't save the whole world, in the end, it is his ass

Jeff



LaTigresse -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 2:34:13 PM)

It might very well be, his ass! No soap on a rope, allowed.



Jeffff -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 2:40:04 PM)

But the key point is...........it won't be MINE...:)

VirginDom



MasterWilliam55 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 2:41:16 PM)

Or perhaps she's negotiating a healthy D/s M/s dynamic for herself.....


I'm sure what you mean by that laurell. It doesn't sound like any negotiating I've been through. Sure after you've been chatting a bit, some role-play on-line is useful. But to start out this way doesn't do it for me. Trust me, this poor guy will end up giving himself a hand job before he ever lays eyes on her. Now wait, maybe that's not all bad.

Changed my mind..give me her name and i'll have a talk with her. I'll report back



laurell3 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 3:00:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

When someone proporting to be a sub asks "what can you do for me?", then perhaps she is not all that she claims to be.


Your statement was this.  I was not referring to the OP, he's obviously living in fantasyland.  I was referring to a general statement and stereotype that a sub isn't what they purport to be if they ask what can you do for me?  Honestly, any s type should be asking that (at least of herself) at any time she's entering into a relationship in my opinion. 

There are no "genuine subs"  or "purported subs".  There are people that either have interest in what you desire or don't.



Leatherist -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 3:32:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

When someone proporting to be a sub asks "what can you do for me?", then perhaps she is not all that she claims to be.


Your statement was this.  I was not referring to the OP, he's obviously living in fantasyland.  I was referring to a general statement and stereotype that a sub isn't what they purport to be if they ask what can you do for me?  Honestly, any s type should be asking that (at least of herself) at any time she's entering into a relationship in my opinion. 

There are no "genuine subs"  or "purported subs".  There are people that either have interest in what you desire or don't.


Yes.

If a woman does not care for a fellow's "form of slavery" he is pretty much not going to get anywhere. No "true" involved-just no interest.

A lot of histronics and angst could be spared by having just enough humility to accept that very basic fact.



TheLookingGirl -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 3:59:57 PM)

I agree with the majority here, that you shouldn't go through with this. Women who contact random men online to fulfill their "rape fantasies" while there husbands are away...are looking for trouble. Who knows, maybe she's gone and screwed around and gotten herself pregnant, and just needs a way out of it (a rape that produces a pregnancy) to pass it off. Not unheard of.

People are crazy.

The only way I would ever feel safe in this is if it was in a relationship setting, where you TRUST (coming up alot here in this thread) the other person.



MasterWilliam55 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 5:09:29 PM)

laurell.....The OP was talkng about a girl who wanted more than just a cyber scene . I think that's different than a sub checking out a Dom to see if he fulfills her needs. A sub has a perfect right to insure the Dom/Domme is right for her. Usually though you wouln't give the the outline of a script for your fantasy and expect the Dom to fill in the details as an introduction to a relationship. You might learn more about each other and then scene but I doubt you would use her approach. And, certainly not use her approach if a real life situation is being planned.

But I'm drifting off topic a bit. The situation we are refering to will never become a real-life scenario. It's simply her fantasy and he thinks it could come true. After nearly 25 years in the lifestyle, I've seen this picture many times before. She's simply a troll.

But to put your mind at ease...you and any Sub/slave or Dominant for that matter are justified in ensuring that whoever your interested in, is a match for your interests. But I expect you would do that with intelligence and grace.

My comment was based on personal experience. Hell, on one occassion I had the same sub contact me, obviously forgetting she "done" me before. But that's internet fantasy dating for you. 




RedMagic1 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 7:42:01 PM)

I was approached within the last month by a woman who asked my assistance in acting out a rape fantasy.  I haven't met her in real, but she's likely really female -- sent pics women care about, but men don't so much, like her friends and small child.  She asked for some pretty strong stuff.  I told her I'd buy her lunch and if we did anything beyond that it would be less than she was requesting the first time because I wanted to ensure she understood her limits -- and that I respected mine!

She has kinda cooled on me.  Said I was "too nice."  I'm not exactly crying about it.

OP, you are naive if you believe that everyone has a perfect understanding of what their limits really are.  And when you're pushing into heady space, like force and rape, the reaction when things break bad can be INTENSE.

As a side note, I *never* write women who use the phrases "I have no limits" or "I want no rights" in their profiles.  How could I possibly be intimate with someone if I can't trust her to communicate with me?



Leatherist -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 7:44:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I was approached within the last month by a woman who asked my assistance in acting out a rape fantasy.  I haven't met her in real, but she's likely really female -- sent pics women care about, but men don't so much, like her friends and small child.  She asked for some pretty strong stuff.  I told her I'd buy her lunch and if we did anything beyond that it would be less than she was requesting the first time because I wanted to ensure she understood her limits -- and that I respected mine!

She has kinda cooled on me.  Said I was "too nice."  I'm not exactly crying about it.

OP, you are naive if you believe that everyone has a perfect understanding of what their limits really are.  And when you're pushing into heady space, like force and rape, the reaction when things break bad can be INTENSE.

As a side note, I *never* write women who use the phrases "I have no limits" or "I want no rights" in their profiles.  How could I possibly be intimate with someone if I can't trust her to communicate with me?



Or may be physchotic.



RedMagic1 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 7:45:55 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leatherist
Or may be physchotic.

I was being diplomatic, but yeah, no shit.



laurell3 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 11:36:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I was approached within the last month by a woman who asked my assistance in acting out a rape fantasy.  I haven't met her in real, but she's likely really female -- sent pics women care about, but men don't so much, like her friends and small child.  She asked for some pretty strong stuff.  I told her I'd buy her lunch and if we did anything beyond that it would be less than she was requesting the first time because I wanted to ensure she understood her limits -- and that I respected mine!

She has kinda cooled on me.  Said I was "too nice."  I'm not exactly crying about it.

OP, you are naive if you believe that everyone has a perfect understanding of what their limits really are.  And when you're pushing into heady space, like force and rape, the reaction when things break bad can be INTENSE.

As a side note, I *never* write women who use the phrases "I have no limits" or "I want no rights" in their profiles.  How could I possibly be intimate with someone if I can't trust her to communicate with me?



uh...I'd say I'm sorry, but I'm kind of glad for you that's the end result RedMagic.  Having spent time talking to you I would say you are not "too nice" unless "too nice" is intelligent, respectful and not oblivious to the other person.



laurell3 -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/23/2008 11:38:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55

laurell.....The OP was talkng about a girl who wanted more than just a cyber scene . I think that's different than a sub checking out a Dom to see if he fulfills her needs. A sub has a perfect right to insure the Dom/Domme is right for her. Usually though you wouln't give the the outline of a script for your fantasy and expect the Dom to fill in the details as an introduction to a relationship. You might learn more about each other and then scene but I doubt you would use her approach. And, certainly not use her approach if a real life situation is being planned.

But I'm drifting off topic a bit. The situation we are refering to will never become a real-life scenario. It's simply her fantasy and he thinks it could come true. After nearly 25 years in the lifestyle, I've seen this picture many times before. She's simply a troll.

But to put your mind at ease...you and any Sub/slave or Dominant for that matter are justified in ensuring that whoever your interested in, is a match for your interests. But I expect you would do that with intelligence and grace.

My comment was based on personal experience. Hell, on one occassion I had the same sub contact me, obviously forgetting she "done" me before. But that's internet fantasy dating for you. 




Thanks I'm not always graceful however I try [;)].  We're on the same page though, I just rail against formulas that imply people can't ask questions or make sure a dynamic/situation is healthy for them based on role.  Sorry if I misread you.



LaTigresse -> RE: "Ravishment" Fantasy (1/24/2008 8:50:41 AM)

Hey, I just remembered the woman from the UK that wanted to sell her London property, buy a farm in Iowa, and have me keep her locked in the basement dungeon and torture her daily in a Nazi uniform. No warm fuzzies, no facade of her being treated as a human being, just locked up and tortured.

My brain went to the 101 possible legal issues.........(even if she was for real.......doubtful at best)

Fire, body in basement, with torture marks.
Someone wonders "just what in the hell is going on over at the old Simpson place?.........."
She decides I wasn't Nazi enough for her ass, says "let me out, I am done with this shit" then runs to the police force, drags them back to the farm and weaves a story.
etc etc etc......

Yeah, I jumped all over that idea. Not to mention the fact that the idea, even if possible, doesn't float my particuar boat. I kinda like lots of warm fuzzies and don't do uniforms, especially Nazi shit.



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