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Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 3:26:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know how many other states observe lee's birthday, but we do here.  I know it's non PC to hear that Lee was born on the same day as MLK day.  But I admire Lee a lot.  He was the epitome of a southern gentleman.  If you don't know much about him, you should read up on him.
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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 3:47:30 PM   
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I don't know how many other states observe lee's birthday, but we do here.  I know it's non PC to hear that Lee was born on the same day as MLK day.  But I admire Lee a lot.  He was the epitome of a southern gentleman.  If you don't know much about him, you should read up on him.


He was also very respected as an officer ,by  most of the Union officers.Some were close friends from West Point.

I don`t think the  soldiers (north and south) really wanted a war.It was politicians ,who brought those horrible years upon us.
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Personally,he had integrity and honor,and was a deep thinker.He was in the wrong place,at the wrong time.
Lee just did what he was trained to do,with great affect.


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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 3:54:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmph people who says it's not PC are just looking to be offended.  Both were great American heroes in their own way IMO.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 4:19:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		His alliance was with his state and that is why he ended up with the South.  Do many people know that his home (his wife's family's home was Arlington) is now know as Arlington National Cemetery?  He had some great victories.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 4:26:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Robert E. Lee.. the orginial Chuck Norris.  :P

I'd encourage you to consider that he was human.. but as one of the war heroes of a fallen society, he was strongly idealized to become larger than life.

Not to knock anyone's fun, just a reality check.  He certainly may've be a decent guy, outside of the whole prolonging-a-deadly-war-to-perserve-forced-slavery-culture.  (But I guess they didn't realize how wrong it was back then.)

Anyhow, I know some people'll who be interested in celebrating his birthday, so thanks for the head's up.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 4:43:10 PM   
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Robert E. Lee.. the orginial Chuck Norris.  :P

I'd encourage you to consider that he was human.. but as one of the war heroes of a fallen society, he was strongly idealized to become larger than life.

Not to knock anyone's fun, just a reality check.  He certainly may've be a decent guy, outside of the whole prolonging-a-deadly-war-to-perserve-forced-slavery-culture.  (But I guess they didn't realize how wrong it was back then.)

Anyhow, I know some people'll who be interested in celebrating his birthday, so thanks for the head's up.


Curious, I know that he was human.  Like I said. you should readup on him.  He freed all his slaves upon the outbreak of the war. Grant didn't do that.  He was a man of his time, and I don't celebrate the wrong headed institution of slavery.  I don't support the history of the South in many areas.  The Jim Crowe laws and the treatment towards blacks is reprehensible.  I have relatives that were in the KKK, and I think they realize how wrong they were. 

Robert E. Lee was a victim of his time.  He was very patriotic and he discouraged succession.  But like most people at that time, he was loyal to his home state first and foremost.  He served with dignity, and he was a hell of a man.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 4:45:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that's what I was trying to say.  He said he would follow wherever Virginia went.  I think the North would've loved to have had him.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 4:59:36 PM   
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  1.  I cannot trust a man to control others who cannot control himself.
  2. The education of a man is never completed until he dies.
  3.  You cannot be a true man until you learn to obey.
  4. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others.
  5. We must forgive our enemies. I can truly say that not a day has passed since the war began that I have not prayed for them.

All Words of General Robert E. Lee. Now, tell me that a man like that shouldn't be running this country now!

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:11:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back in the 80s before MLK day was a national Holiday, In Virginia (and much of the South)it was celebrated as Jackson/Lee/King Day.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:23:23 PM   
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His alliance was with his state and that is why he ended up with the South.  Do many people know that his home (his wife's family's home was Arlington) is now know as Arlington National Cemetery?  He had some great victories.


Which was done, at least partially, so that he could not return to his home. Very sad.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:36:30 PM   
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His alliance was with his state and that is why he ended up with the South.  Do many people know that his home (his wife's family's home was Arlington) is now know as Arlington National Cemetery?  He had some great victories.


Which was done, at least partially, so that he could not return to his home. Very sad.


Damn Yankee Carpetbagging Scum and their war of Agression on the South!

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:43:07 PM   
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Damn Yankee Carpetbagging Scum and their war of Agression on the South!


Not exactly my feelings on the matter. I just think it's a shame that it was done, partially, out of spite so that he could not return to his home.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:46:14 PM   
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I think the North would've loved to have had him.


I'm pretty sure Lincoln offered Lee command of the Union army, and Lee turned it down.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:52:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think he waited to see what Virginia was going to do?

And yes, the Arlington estate was used for the cemetery for Union soldiers purposely, so Lee could not return home.


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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:55:26 PM   
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His alliance was with his state and that is why he ended up with the South.  Do many people know that his home (his wife's family's home was Arlington) is now know as Arlington National Cemetery?  He had some great victories.


Which was done, at least partially, so that he could not return to his home. Very sad.


Damn Yankee Carpetbagging Scum and their war of Agression on the South!


We can acknowledge the hard truths and realities,w/out flaming.

True,having his large estate and home, turned into the national cemetery,was a humiliation,but fitting.

Many,many more lost everything they had, their families and loved ones,their homes and lives.

The cock-sure swagger and arrogance of some leaders,made that war continue on and on,till men were dying by the thousands.Forget the number of injured and maimed.Forget the amount homes and farms that burned,and the shear injustice and lawlessness, that happens when hordes of armed men swarm around.

Though he lost Arlington,he suffered the loss like a man.It wasn`t that he wanted to impress folks ,it was how he acted his whole life.I could be wrong,but I don`t think he was political.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 5:57:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Lee was offered command of the Union Army and waited to see which way Virginia was going to go.   Virginia joined the Confederacy not to preserve slavery but because the North tried to force those states who had seceeded back into the Union.  The belief that Lee freed his slaves is also correct. 

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 6:06:38 PM   
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Hmph people who says it's not PC are just looking to be offended

Yes.  Looking to be offended and ignorant of all the facts.  People who automatically spit out the sentiment that the war was all about ending slavery are woefully under educated about the whole situation.  It's impossible to have an intelligent debate with them when that's the assumption they begin with.............luci

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 6:09:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		For anyone interested in some of the history of the ancestral home:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/historical_information/arlington_house.html

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 6:09:53 PM   
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His alliance was with his state and that is why he ended up with the South.  Do many people know that his home (his wife's family's home was Arlington) is now know as Arlington National Cemetery?  He had some great victories.


Which was done, at least partially, so that he could not return to his home. Very sad.


Damn Yankee Carpetbagging Scum and their war of Agression on the South!


We can acknowledge the hard truths and realities,w/out flaming.

True,having his large estate and home, turned into the national cemetery,was a humiliation,but fitting.

Many,many more lost everything they had, their families and loved ones,their homes and lives.

The cock-sure swagger and arrogance of some leaders,made that war continue on and on,till men were dying by the thousands.Forget the number of injured and maimed.Forget the amount homes and farms that burned,and the shear injustice and lawlessness, that happens when hordes of armed men swarm around.

Though he lost Arlington,he suffered the loss like a man.It wasn`t that he wanted to impress folks ,it was how he acted his whole life.I could be wrong,but I don`t think he was political.


How is it fitting? Most of those who lost their homes were in the South, the side that he was fighting for. Not to mention they were acts of war, this was not. The man did not deserve to have his home taken away from him.

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RE: Robert E. Lee Day - 1/20/2008 6:12:34 PM   
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We can acknowledge the hard truths and realities,w/out flaming.

True,having his large estate and home, turned into the national cemetery,was a humiliation,but fitting.

Many,many more lost everything they had, their families and loved ones,their homes and lives.

The cock-sure swagger and arrogance of some leaders,made that war continue on and on,till men were dying by the thousands.Forget the number of injured and maimed.Forget the amount homes and farms that burned,and the shear injustice and lawlessness, that happens when hordes of armed men swarm around.

Though he lost Arlington,he suffered the loss like a man.It wasn`t that he wanted to impress folks ,it was how he acted his whole life.I could be wrong,but I don`t think he was political.


Owner I think we finally found something that you and I agree on.  Lee took his defeat like a man.  He never complained, and I think he was just glad that horrible war was over with.  Lee publicly condemned Boothe for killing Lincoln, and he didn't do that to be placate the North.  He was a man of principle, and he did not abide murdering thugs like Boothe. 

I did not start this thread to take away from Dr. King.  I admire him too.  He was a man too, and it pisses me off when my fellow southernors deride him.  I came close to getting in a fist fight a few years ago because one of my co-workers called MLK day, "Earl Ray Day."  I don't tolerate that ignorant shit, and I encourage others to say something when they hear it.  Dr. King stood up against tyranny, and he deserves recognition for that despite his personal shortcomings.  I stand behind anyone that fights against injustice. 

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