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OscarHargraves -> RE: what to do? (9/1/2005 8:52:53 PM)

Go back and reread OsideGirl's and PinkPleasures' comments above. They hit the nail straight on the head.




LASub4Real -> RE: what to do? (9/2/2005 9:01:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joelle2001

i appriciate what everyone is saying. Although i still have another problem about saying goodbye, i can't yet. i can't let go of how he makes me feel when we are together. Now what?



Joelle:

Perhaps now is the time to react with your head rather than your heart. Hearts are so silly sometimes. You know that this will bother you and continue to bother you more as time goes on. In the end, you will begin to question everything this guy says to you wondering just what you can actually believe. My friendly advice is to pull off the bandaid now. It's going to hurt more pulling it off tomorrow or next month. In another year it's going to be like pulling off your skin! Nothing worth doing, nothing worth having is ever easy. It's hard to make a right choice. It will cost you something (ouch) but making the wrong choice (even if that choice is not to do anything) will hurt you more in the long run. I ask you to hurt a little now and save yourself from the heartache that I'm sure that you know will come otherwise.

as a friend,
lasub




MasterMaxSteel -> RE: what to do? (9/5/2005 11:04:31 PM)

HI joelle,

I've read through most of the posts and many make the assumption your lover is the one lying. It may be that the one lying is the one you received the conflicting information about. I live in the Atlanta, Georgia area where there is a very large bdsm community. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard this or that about this or that person. Sometimes it's true, sometimes what I've heard is a lie. Sometimes your lover is lying, sometimes the person you're hearing the conflicting information is lying. Sometimes it's a mass of huge and very conflicting lies or simply just a bunch of fifth hand hoo haaa.

In other words, sometimes the truth cannot be determined this way. But the truth can be determined by talking to the person about what you heard about them, letting them tell "their side" and then you can make your own decision.

I wouldn't be overly quick to assume one's lover is guilty, especially when you've gotten information second hand. Better to talk it over with them in a polite and respectful (to both parties) manner. One thing that you can generally depend on. If there's truly a bunch of lies someone is telling you, over time it'll come out, bit by bit and you won't have to talk to anyone else to find it out. You'll be seeing it yourself. I would, however, were I you, listen to what my inner voice is telling me about the person. Usually, one can trust one's instincts. If you "feel" red flags, there are probably red flags there somewhere.

But try to deal with it rationally and see how it goes. I tend to ask, then let the person talk and see how they say things. Amazing what comes out that way. I've beein in the lifestyle many years, have had a slave for the past half decade and one just can't beat that rationally talking things through. BTW, no rational talking, you have a major problem on your hands. Good Doms and Masters are willing to talk things through and address your fears. Bad ones, well, you know the drill.

Just some thoughts,

Max




LovingSir -> RE: what to do? (9/7/2005 4:46:12 PM)

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what to do? - 8/30/2005 7:34:25 PM
In our world, trust is the coin of the realm. If someone lies about little things, why would they be truthful about everything else? Tell him to fuck off, and be more cautious in the future, please!




Padriag -> RE: what to do? (9/10/2005 12:33:37 AM)

You weren't specific about what kind of lie or why the lie was told. I can't give you a simplistic black and white answer, there isn't one in my opinion. When someone lies to me, I want to know not just what the lie was, but why they lied... that later matters just as much to me and sometimes more. Maybe the best way to illustrate what I mean is with a couple of experiences.

Years ago I met a woman online who sent me several very attractive photos. She told me she was a doctor and after a number of conversations I had no reason to doubt that, she knew her stuff. Eventually things came to a point where she wanted to begin a relationship, and pursue it offline, I was insterested. At that point she felt she needed to "come clean" with me. The photos weren't her, they were her sister. She sent me a photo of herself, she wasn't bad looking, not as pretty as her sister, but not bad (and she was a brunette, always a plus with me, her sister was blond). Then she confessed she wasn't really a doctor. In reality she was head nurse at a large hospital... not an achievement to be ashamed of by any means. But in talking with her about why she lied it was clear she has virtually no self esteem... no matter what her own achievements were, she never felt she was worth anything. That told me far more that concerned me than those two lies. I broke it off, not so much because she lied, but because of why she lied. I wasn't willing to take that on as part of a relationship.

Another case involved a young lady I was deeply in love with and quite serious about. I had been stressed and not feeling well for about a week. Well, I got some mail from a rather annoying person one day an she saw it before I did... so she hid it, and then compounded the mistake by forgetting that she had done so for more than a month. Now the mail really wasn't important and I'd probably have tossed it in the trash anyway (and in fact did when I finally got it), but I hate it when someone hides things from me. We had a long talk about that and I made it clear she was never to do that again... but I didn't break up with her over it or hold it against her. Despite her mistake, her intentions were good and her heart was in the right place, but then it always was with her... she was a sweet gal. She just made a mistake is all, an error in judgement, we all do that from time to time.

My point is, its not just that someone has lied that ought to be looked at... but their motives too. Sometimes why they lied is a lot more important than the lie itself.

Edited to add this: Damn good advice from MaxSteel.




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