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Vendaval -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 8:15:04 PM)
They had just as much right as any other paying customers to be on that bus. The driver over reacted and should not have grabbed the young man and slammed him against something ( the bus, a wall ?...the article does not say). That is assault and battery here in the States. Think about the other types of passengers a bus driver deals with on routes in a big city, drunks and junkies and people who have no home and no way to stay clean, etc. Why did this particular bus driver make such an issue out of their behavior? The financial status and fetish wear finances of the couple in question is not the issue.

ownedgirlie -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 8:17:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval They had just as much right as any other paying customers to be on that bus. That's really the point, isn't it? Is there a dress code for the bus? If not, the driver's conclusion was subjective.

SubbieOnWheels -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 8:26:46 PM)
He (the Master) could have claimd she was a service animal.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 8:33:55 PM)
quote: That's really the point, isn't it? Is there a dress code for the bus? If not, the driver's conclusion was subjective. Well, his opinion is subjective. But people used to have manners. I don't like seeing people wear t-shirts and shorts on a plane or to a court room. I don't like going to nice restaurants and seeing some asshole wearing sneakers and a baseball cap. What is wrong with respecting others when you are out in public? Why should manners be subjective? It's not illegal to wear a shirt that says "Fuck You" on it, but that doesn't make it okay to wear one in a public place in the middle of the day. I am sorry that so many people have a problem with being ladies and gentlemen these days.

AquaticSub -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 9:14:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: That's really the point, isn't it? Is there a dress code for the bus? If not, the driver's conclusion was subjective. Well, his opinion is subjective. But people used to have manners. I don't like seeing people wear t-shirts and shorts on a plane or to a court room. I don't like going to nice restaurants and seeing some asshole wearing sneakers and a baseball cap. What is wrong with respecting others when you are out in public? Why should manners be subjective? It's not illegal to wear a shirt that says "Fuck You" on it, but that doesn't make it okay to wear one in a public place in the middle of the day. I am sorry that so many people have a problem with being ladies and gentlemen these days. And I don't like that people stick "Marriage = man + woman" on their cars where I have to read it. I also think that people who talk about how Olive Garden is fine dining are a source of amusement. I dislike people who wear jeans to the Kennedy Center and it irks me that people have the nerve to tell others how to dress. Doesn't make it any of my damn business to correct them. If you hate wearing a nice suit out to dinner, fine by me. If you hate seeing people wearing jeans and a ball cap while out at dinner, pony up the cash for the places with a dress code. I suggest the Ritz hotels - I know they won't let you in unless properly attired.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 9:40:48 PM)
I agree. If you want to walk about on a leash and do all kinds of things that draw attention to yourself deal with the backlash. quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann While I agree, the bus driver's a jerk, I also feel that when you do things that you know, clearly, are going to violate social norms that you're going to be faced with these sorts of issues. That, to me, is part of the repercussions for my flaunting my lifestyle choice. Stephan

ownedgirlie -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 9:43:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: That's really the point, isn't it? Is there a dress code for the bus? If not, the driver's conclusion was subjective. Well, his opinion is subjective. But people used to have manners. I don't like seeing people wear t-shirts and shorts on a plane or to a court room. I don't like going to nice restaurants and seeing some asshole wearing sneakers and a baseball cap. What is wrong with respecting others when you are out in public? Why should manners be subjective? It's not illegal to wear a shirt that says "Fuck You" on it, but that doesn't make it okay to wear one in a public place in the middle of the day. I am sorry that so many people have a problem with being ladies and gentlemen these days. And I don't like that people stick "Marriage = man + woman" on their cars where I have to read it. I also think that people who talk about how Olive Garden is fine dining are a source of amusement. I dislike people who wear jeans to the Kennedy Center and it irks me that people have the nerve to tell others how to dress. Doesn't make it any of my damn business to correct them. If you hate wearing a nice suit out to dinner, fine by me. If you hate seeing people wearing jeans and a ball cap while out at dinner, pony up the cash for the places with a dress code. I suggest the Ritz hotels - I know they won't let you in unless properly attired. GREAT post, Aquatic.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 9:54:02 PM)
Well maybe yes and maybe no. I am inclined to believe no since she says she's a pet and lives the life of a pet and doesn't work. doesn't go anywhere with out dani, you can't go to work if you don't go ANYwhere with out your bf. and I don't know of any jobs where your bf can hang out just cause you have to have him along to do something., quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie Maybe one of them was escorting the other to a job interview, for all we know. quote: [8D]

ownedgirlie -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:01:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss Well maybe yes and maybe no. I am inclined to believe no since she says she's a pet and lives the life of a pet and doesn't work. doesn't go anywhere with out dani, you can't go to work if you don't go ANYwhere with out your bf. and I don't know of any jobs where your bf can hang out just cause you have to have him along to do something., For the sake of being devil's advocate, maybe it was an interview for him...at Starbucks, ya know, dressed for Halloween and all. All I'm saying is there is very little that can be concluded over viewing a picture like that. My hypothetical was just that, and my list of hypotheticals were not intended to discuss each one but to simply say we don't know!

slaveboyforyou -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:02:18 PM)
quote: And I don't like that people stick "Marriage = man + woman" on their cars where I have to read it. I also think that people who talk about how Olive Garden is fine dining are a source of amusement. I dislike people who wear jeans to the Kennedy Center and it irks me that people have the nerve to tell others how to dress. Doesn't make it any of my damn business to correct them. If you hate wearing a nice suit out to dinner, fine by me. If you hate seeing people wearing jeans and a ball cap while out at dinner, pony up the cash for the places with a dress code. I suggest the Ritz hotels - I know they won't let you in unless properly attired. I don't put bumper stickers on my car, and I don't care who gets married to whom. Any kind of crude behavior in public place irritates me, and I don't care if it's some redneck with ridiculous bumper stickers or a Goth loser walking his ugly girlfriend on a leash around town during the day time. So, I don't know who you're directing that to. I have never ate at an Olive Garden, and I didn't hear anyone mention it. I do pony up the money to go out all the time. That's the benefit of not being on welfare, not living in public housing, and having a good job. The little prick wouldn't have to take the bus if he owned a car. But that's hard to do when you're on the dole. I made my remarks about those behaviors to contrast it with other uncoothe behaviors.....like walking someone on a leash in a public place during the middle of the day. I know there are people that don't care about social conventions, but they are wrong. Like I said in earlier post, I don't believe this little twit's story. I think he instigated something with the bus driver, and he got the pretentious chip he carries around knocked off his shoulder. Of course he responded in true, little boy fashion by letting loose with the tired old fascist routine. Because of course, it's society that doesn't understand him. But he doesn't mind society paying his bills and giving him a place to sleep.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:03:39 PM)
What I wear to me doesn't dictate if I am polite or have manners, my actions do. And like someone else said if you think it's slobby and makes someone an asshole to go out to dinner in tennis shoes and jeans pony up the cash to go to fancy dress code only restaraunts. and further why are you so busy staring at them and not eating your meal and talking to your date if you took one. and while we're making assumptions on people by how they look and or dress, you look stoned and you look like a girl in your avitar. Should we all start stating negative things about your manners based on the fact you look stoned and from a distance look like a girl? Or the fact that you're topless means you're a slob because surely if you ever did laundry you'd be wearing a shirt? your cuffs look like cuffs a little girl wears so you must be a sissy boy. ect ect See how making assumptions about others based on how they look or dress backfires? what I just said has no basis on the truth at all. quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou [ But people used to have manners. I don't like seeing people wear t-shirts and shorts on a plane or to a court room. I don't like going to nice restaurants and seeing some asshole wearing sneakers and a baseball cap. What is wrong with respecting others when you are out in public? Why should manners be subjective? It's not illegal to wear a shirt that says "Fuck You" on it, but that doesn't make it okay to wear one in a public place in the middle of the day. I am sorry that so many people have a problem with being ladies and gentlemen these days.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:12:13 PM)
quote: That's your problem. nobody elses. What I wear to me doesn't dictate if I am polite or have manners, my actions do. And like someone else said if you think it's slobby to go out to dinner in tennis shoes and jeans pony up the cash to go to fancy dress code only restaraunts. and while we're making assumptions on people by how they look and or dress, you look stoned and you look like a girl in your avitar. Should we all start stating negative things about your manners based on the fact you look stoned and from a distance look like a girl? Or the fact that you're topless means you're a slob? Ah there it is. I won't respond with a personal insult about your looks like you did to me. I thought we agreed not to do that on the boards here when we posted. But like I said, some people just don't understand following the rules. I don't do drugs, and I hardly look like a girl. If you wanted to insult me, you should have done it in an email. Like I said, I will have better manners and not reciprocate. Maybe you'll learn a lesson. There is a big difference about my appearance here. This is an adult website, not the sidewalk downtown in the middle of the day.

petdave -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:34:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou I made my remarks about those behaviors to contrast it with other uncoothe behaviors.....like walking someone on a leash in a public place during the middle of the day. I know there are people that don't care about social conventions, but they are wrong. Some of us believe that it's the social conventions that are wrong. Keeping Africans as non-consensual slaves was once convention. Limiting the vote for public office to just men was once convention. Putting Christians in an arena with lions was once a conventional spectator sport. If your town Chamber of Commerce in their fancy suits told you to jump off a building, would you do it? Christ, if there was any subtitle that should have been added under "Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it" at the People's Temple in Jonestown, it's that consensus neither guarantees nor bestows wisdom. Think. And while you're thinking, consider that not everyone has the same thoughts as you. The more you support limiting free expression for people you don't like, the more likely it is that sooner or later someone will use that same power to limit something that you want to express. What then?

slaveboyforyou -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:44:40 PM)
Dave, I think you're being a little melodramatic. I am not advocating that laws be passed. I am simply saying that there are things you shouldn't do in certain public places. Laws and social conventions are not one in the same. We practice manners all the time that aren't written into the law. Do you yell racial slurs at people just because you can? Do you routinely refer to women as whores just because you have the right to? Do you use foul language in a Denny's at 2 in the afternoon just because you have free speech? If this happened at night outside a club, I could see getting upset. I expect to see things like that in those venues. I don't dislike this guy for his lifestyle. But you don't have a right and neither do I to force your lifestyle on other people. I am not trying to be a fuddy duddy. But I don't understand why people can't see the wrong in doing this where little old ladies and UMs can witness it. It's just wrong. It has nothing to do with throwing the Christians to the lions, Jonestown, women's rights, or slavery. That is not even close to a valid comparison.

YourhandMyAss -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:51:25 PM)
However, you decide someone is an asshole cause theyg o out to dinner in jeans and sneakers, and they could be the nicest person ever, but to you it's an asshole. so my point was what if we started making assumptions about you, based on appearances. quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou There is a big difference about my appearance here. This is an adult website, not the sidewalk downtown in the middle of the day.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 10:58:59 PM)
quote: However, you decide someone is an asshole cause theyg o out to dinner in jeans and sneakers, and they could be the nicest person ever, but to you it's an asshole. so my point was what if we started making assumptions about you, based on appearances. I didn't talk anyone in particular; I was making a generalization. I wasn't talking about anyone's physical appearance. I was talking about the way some people dress now. If you think it's acceptable to dress in a slovenly manner anywhere you go, then you could have responded in a decent way. But you didn't; you made a snarky, rude remark about me, which I didn't do to you or anyone else posting. But that illustrates my point about manners perfectly. I won't be paying attention to your posts anymore as a result.

petdave -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/22/2008 11:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Dave, I think you're being a little melodramatic. Actually, i'm practicing reductio ad absurdem. Big hobby of mine. The fact is, if it's "OK" to deny public services to someone because they "look like a freak" or do something that the most conservative 10% of society, or even the most conservative 95% of society thinks is "inappropriate", or that "they'd rather not see", or "makes them uncomfortable", you're setting a precedent of limiting person A's actions based on a person B's opinions, without any harm being done. Great if you're person A, sucky if you're person B. i always take person B's side, because you never truly know when you're going to run afoul of the As. quote: But you don't have a right and neither do I to force your lifestyle on other people. I am not trying to be a fuddy duddy. But I don't understand why people can't see the wrong in doing this where little old ladies and UMs can witness it. It's just wrong. i'm still waiting to hear the actual harm or loss involved before i can agree that it's "wrong". Without injury, there's no line between "i don't force my lifestyle on other people" and "you shouldn't do this because i don't like it". Saying "you shouldn't do this because i don't like it, and my Gramma doesn't like it either" does not sidestep this problem. edit: quote tags. They're tricky bastards.

Stephann -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/23/2008 1:30:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann "The couple, who live on benefits in a council house and plan to start a family, have been friends for years." Erm... I could be reading this wrong, but doesn't this mean they live on welfare, yet are trying to have kids? Not necessarily. My great nephew gets a death benefit because my neice was killed by a drunk driver. He'll get those benefits as long as he stays in school or until he turns.. I think it's 21 if he leaves school. He's also eligible for housing for that same reason. quote: Looking at their photos, either of them easily spent more on their outfit than I do on a weeks worth of clothes. Goth clothing is NOT cheap. Stephan Well, goth clothing 'can' be cheap, especially if you find a good outlet which has bin sales. I got a great dress normally marked at $110.00 dollars and I picked it up for $29 bucks at a Hot Topics bin sale, so, there are cheapouts if you know where to look and Ebay almost always has some great stuff in the way of alternative fashion for far less than retail outlets. Celeste Hiya Celeste, I think the issue (for me) is more to do with 'if you're in a position to enforce an alternative lifestyle, it derives from your ability to care for yourself as an individual." We don't have the facts, so I'm addressing concepts (drawn from the story mind you.) Sure, it's entirely possible that they acquired their clothing at a very reasonable price. I'll likely never come face to face with them to know; so I addressed the issue as I saw it. People on welfare have no businesses 'starting families.' People on welfare need to be capable of caring for themselves first, and rearing children, when they are able to do so, under their own power. That's my contribution to that. Cali, Sounds hot to me [:D] Oddly, that's vaugly how we look most Saturdays at The Lair. Stephan

GreedyTop -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/23/2008 1:46:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou quote: That's your problem. nobody elses. What I wear to me doesn't dictate if I am polite or have manners, my actions do. And like someone else said if you think it's slobby to go out to dinner in tennis shoes and jeans pony up the cash to go to fancy dress code only restaraunts. and while we're making assumptions on people by how they look and or dress, you look stoned and you look like a girl in your avitar. Should we all start stating negative things about your manners based on the fact you look stoned and from a distance look like a girl? Or the fact that you're topless means you're a slob? Ah there it is. I won't respond with a personal insult about your looks like you did to me. I thought we agreed not to do that on the boards here when we posted. But like I said, some people just don't understand following the rules. I don't do drugs, and I hardly look like a girl. If you wanted to insult me, you should have done it in an email. Like I said, I will have better manners and not reciprocate. Maybe you'll learn a lesson. There is a big difference about my appearance here. This is an adult website, not the sidewalk downtown in the middle of the day. The point she was making, I believe, was that some people might make the same assumptions she postulated in her post... not that SHE was making them. Extrapolating from that scenario, that some folks (including yourself, based on your posts) make snap judgements based on nothing more than appearance. shrug never judge a book..etc

GreedyTop -> RE: No pets allowed. (1/23/2008 1:50:49 AM)
quote: Sounds hot to me [:D] Oddly, that's vaugly how we look most Saturdays at The Lair. Stephan sigh the Lair is one of the FEW things I do miss about SoCal... besides some friends... not that I got to go often, but it IS an awesome space....

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