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FirmhandKY -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/25/2008 9:54:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

BULLSHIT.

There can not be two laws, one for the allies and one for the enemies there is only one.

This shit tires me, KainTuck......while I will try and understand your viewpoint, at this juncture, you are now to me, as I am to you talking to a wall, how is it that you see anything on your horizons like this, that is how can you seperate into any more than one right and wrong?




Baseless Comparisons: UN Security Council Resolutions on Iraq and Israel

Dore Gold

Since Iraq's August 1990 invasion of Kuwait and the 1991 Gulf War that followed, Arab diplomats at the United Nations have charged the international community with a policy of "double standards" regarding UN actions against Iraq for failing to comply with UN Security Council resolutions. Thus, in the debate leading up to the adoption of UN Security Council Resolution 1435, concerning Israel's presence in Ramallah, the representative of the Arab League charged on September 23, that the UN was pressing Iraq while ignoring Israeli violations of UN resolutions.1 Last May, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz complained that sanctions were imposed on Iraq for non-compliance but not on Israel.2

The effort by some Arab diplomats to draw comparisons between UN action on Israel and Iraq misses the fundamental differences between the different kinds of resolutions in the UN organization. First of all, there are UN General Assembly resolutions, non-binding recommendations that reflect the political currents in the world body. Then there are UN Security Council resolutions, which have their own hierarchy.

Chapter VI and Chapter VII Resolutions

Two chapters of the UN Charter clarify the powers of the UN Security Council and its resolutions. Resolutions adopted under Chapter VI of the UN Charter - that deals with "Pacific Resolution of Disputes" - are implemented through a process of negotiation, conciliation, or arbitration between the parties to a dispute. UN Security Council Resolution 242 from November 1967 is a Chapter VI resolution which, when taken together with Resolution 338, leads to an Israeli withdrawal from territories (not all the territories) that Israel entered in the 1967 Six-Day War, by means of a negotiated settlement between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The resolution is not self-enforced by Israel alone; it requires a negotiating process.

The most severe resolutions of the UN Security Council are those specifically adopted under Chapter VII of the UN Charter - that deal with "Threats to Peace, Breaches of the Peace and Acts of Aggression." When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the UN Security Council adopted all its resolutions against Iraq under Chapter VII of the UN Charter. The implementation of those resolutions was not contingent on Iraqi-Kuwaiti negotiations, for Iraq engaged in a clear-cut act of aggression. Moreover, UN resolutions on Iraq are self-enforcing, requiring Iraq alone to comply with their terms. However, the UN recognized, under Article 42 of the UN Charter, the need for special military measures to be taken if a Chapter VII resolution is ignored by an aggressor.

One explanation I found in a quick Goggle.

There are others, if you don't like this one.

No bullshit, Ron. Just the facts.

Firm




farglebargle -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 7:10:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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trying to obfusticate the real issue


Isn't the REAL ISSUE the enforcement of the Law?


Please, if you don't mind fargle ...

What is law?



In a Constitutional Republic, Law is the properly expressed will of The People via The Legislature.

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What does it mean to you?



In this context it is the meaning to the people who swore to obey The Law, and how to adjudicate their alleged crimes.

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Is there anything higher than law?


In a Constitutional Republic, when talking about the Duties of people who have sworn to protect and defend that Constitution and it's Laws? No.

Is there any other appropriate context, when discussing the alleged crimes of someone who SWORE TO G-D to be obedient to the Constitution and Laws of this Nation?





MissSCD -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 7:16:47 AM)

You all have just now figured out that this war was mislead?   In my opinion, and I repeat my opinion, it was staged to kill Saddam.   As far as we know, he had nothing to do with the attacks. 
It has been a waste of time, money, and resources, and now the economy is crumbling due to the Bush Adminnistration of mismanagement and backing big business.
 
We have to have change.
 
Regards, MissSCD




Sanity -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 7:23:24 AM)

You're right - we need change. I'm never voting for George Bush for President again... and this Democrat Congress has to go, too!!!




farglebargle -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 7:31:38 AM)

That's not the change she meant.

What's needed is to begin holding people ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS?

You violate the Law? Explain it to the Jury.

You violate your Oath? Explain it to the Jury.

Until The People grow some balls, and stop letting The President and Congress walk all over them, changing Democrats for Republicans and vice-versa is pointless.

Oh, and judicially dissolve any Artificial Legal Entity attempting to influence the election in ANY WAY.

Making Political Action Committees unlawful is a good start.




FirmhandKY -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 9:35:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

What is law?   In a Constitutional Republic, Law is the properly expressed will of The People via The Legislature.

What does it mean to you?  In this context it is the meaning to the people who swore to obey The Law, and how to adjudicate their alleged crimes.

Is there anything higher than law?    In a Constitutional Republic, when talking about the Duties of people who have sworn to protect and defend that Constitution and it's Laws? No.


Who determines when a law has been broken?

Since "law" is the "properly expressed will of the people", does this mean that there is no such thing as a "bad" law?

Firm





farglebargle -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 12:43:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

What is law?   In a Constitutional Republic, Law is the properly expressed will of The People via The Legislature.

What does it mean to you?  In this context it is the meaning to the people who swore to obey The Law, and how to adjudicate their alleged crimes.

Is there anything higher than law?    In a Constitutional Republic, when talking about the Duties of people who have sworn to protect and defend that Constitution and it's Laws? No.


Who determines when a law has been broken?


The Grand and Trial Juries?


Man make laws. Men are imperfect. Laws are imperfect. That's why there's a Jury.








Real0ne -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 3:06:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome
In fact, there are 33 levels of Top Secret clearance ABOVE presidential level.  That became fact under Eisenhower's presidency.  Prior to that, the President was briefed on every level.



Exactly 33?  Are you sure?  I wonder how they came up with that specific number?










Real0ne -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 3:10:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You're right - we need change. I'm never voting for George Bush for President again... and this Democrat Congress has to go, too!!!



Hey thanks to diebold electronic voting you may never need to vote again!








Real0ne -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 3:16:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Who determines when a law has been broken?

Since "law" is the "properly expressed will of the people", does this mean that there is no such thing as a "bad" law?

Firm





Since the people hold the guns in union with the declaration of independence I think we can conclude that the people, in the end, make the final judgement.


(unfoirtunately with the wonderful education system with 25% total illiteracy and 50% barely literate to the point of sustaining themselves at mickey d's it seems our body politic is lucky if they are capable of judging whether they want miller or miller gd)

quick final thought;  while we hold the guns and have the legitimate power and final authority over the government as a result of owning the guns we dont use it.  People have come to accept serfdom as "freedom" in this country.

Interestingly while we hold the guns yet we do not hold a direct voice such that a representative is obligated by law to uphold the sentiments of the body politic they serve.

That would imply that guns are a last resort to install a new government so until they take away the remotes I expcct few changes.






FirmhandKY -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 4:10:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

What is law?   In a Constitutional Republic, Law is the properly expressed will of The People via The Legislature.

What does it mean to you?  In this context it is the meaning to the people who swore to obey The Law, and how to adjudicate their alleged crimes.

Is there anything higher than law?    In a Constitutional Republic, when talking about the Duties of people who have sworn to protect and defend that Constitution and it's Laws? No.


Who determines when a law has been broken?


The Grand and Trial Juries?

Man make laws. Men are imperfect. Laws are imperfect. That's why there's a Jury.


So .... "juries" make the law perfect?

Firm




Owner59 -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 4:30:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You're right - we need change. I'm never voting for George Bush for President again... and this Democrat Congress has to go, too!!!


Ahhh duhh! lol He`s had his two terms.It`s not possible to vote for bush for president again.You`re principled stance,is admirable.......Bwah-ha-ah!

He never would have been able to fuck up as much as he has,without out a republican congress to help him, provide cover and kill any oversight.

And you want one back,again?

One definition of insanity,Sanity,is to do something and fail,and then do it again expecting a different results.

After more then a decade of republican control of congress,we should give the dems some time to repair the damage done.At least more than a year,before whining and crying.




farglebargle -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 6:25:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You're right - we need change. I'm never voting for George Bush for President again... and this Democrat Congress has to go, too!!!



Hey thanks to diebold electronic voting you may never need to vote again!







Nixon's 72 "Landslide" didn't need no rigged electronic machines!





farglebargle -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/26/2008 6:27:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

So .... "juries" make the law perfect?

Firm



If you're a fan of Jury Nullification, then you would say that is *exactly* the case.

Do you have some point you're trying to make, or are you just wasting time?





thompsonx -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/27/2008 10:01:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

You're right - we need change. I'm never voting for George Bush for President again... and this Democrat Congress has to go, too!!!

Sanity:
This would seem to indicate that you are still on board for all that bush&co stand for.
thompson







thompsonx -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/27/2008 10:08:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
In a Constitutional Republic, Law is the properly expressed will of The People via The Legislature.

farglebargle:
This is not even in the same zip code with the truth.  The legislature is nothing more than a bought and paid for whore who does as it is told.
Case in point would be the new "demopub" congress which replaced the old "republicrat" congress...all down on their knees trying to show who has the prettiest "blue dress".
thompson







farglebargle -> RE: 935 lies: 3929 American deaths (1/27/2008 10:19:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
In a Constitutional Republic, Law is the properly expressed will of The People via The Legislature.

farglebargle:
This is not even in the same zip code with the truth.  The legislature is nothing more than a bought and paid for whore who does as it is told.
Case in point would be the new "demopub" congress which replaced the old "republicrat" congress...all down on their knees trying to show who has the prettiest "blue dress".
thompson


Stop bringing reality into this discussion of the way it's supposed to work. I *know* it's all a scam.

I don't think that should dissuade us from holding people properly accountable for their choices, when they've sworn oaths and stuff.






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