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Quivver -> Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 6:40:17 AM)

I've seen paper cores and fiberglass rod cores, what else is used to construct Floggers and Crops?

Q



Elegant -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 6:51:36 AM)

Paper? We use a sturdy hardwood dowel.



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fastlane -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 6:53:02 AM)

There's a thread started on "custom floggers" in the artisian section of the Forum, perhaps you can get some answers from the link there?

Hmmmm, what R U up to?



suberic -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 6:57:36 AM)

I use wood. For the "Bertha" floggers and the swivel floggers, I use from 7/8 in dowel to 1 1/4 inch dowel. For the rolled floggers, about 1/2 inch dowel. I have never heard of paper being used. Fiberglass would break depending on how sturdy it would be. Not materials I would choose to use, but then I am not the one making them.



Quivver -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 7:02:24 AM)

Thanks Elegant I've often considered using a dowel rod, but was conserned about tensil strength and breakage. What size have you found holds up best?

Fastlane, thanks for the reminder, i'd posted on that thread myself a time or two.
Guess I'll go review. [:)] what am I up to? ~ ~ no good as usual ~ ~ [;)]

Q



Elegant -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 7:27:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

Thanks Elegant I've often considered using a dowel rod, but was conserned about tensil strength and breakage. What size have you found holds up best?

Fastlane, thanks for the reminder, i'd posted on that thread myself a time or two.
Guess I'll go review. [:)] what am I up to? ~ ~ no good as usual ~ ~ [;)]

Q




We use a 7/8" hardwood..NOT the dowels from craft and hobby stores. (these are a softer wood). We have never had one returned for breakage (we do guarantee our floggers) although we did have someone bring us a set from another company that were broken,.,,,,the 1/4" dowel wrapped in layers of leather had snapped the first time it was used. (see pic)




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sub4hire -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 9:00:24 PM)

I know as other's have already said a lot of people use wooden dowels.

Although, most floggers are crap. A good flogger is perfectly balanced. I
haven't encountered many people who make them real well. Doug and I
own 2 good ones. About a dozen crap ones. No idea what is on the inside of the
good ones. I do have a friend who makes them. I'll ask him and post it.



sub4hire -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 9:02:56 PM)

Ok, I am told pvc pipe. You put lead shot inside to balance it perfectly.

Or a wooden core.




Elegant -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (8/31/2005 9:59:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Ok, I am told pvc pipe. You put lead shot inside to balance it perfectly.

Or a wooden core.




This is what some people do but there are concerns with this method:
1. Unless the lead shot is packed extremely tight or covered with wax or similiar the lead will shift, rattle and roll.
2. Use of PVC often means that the flails and any weave/wrap/cover/knots on the handle would need to be glued to the PVC core unless screws are used. Many adhesives tend to break down from body oils and heat from handling.



quote:

Although, most floggers are crap. A good flogger is perfectly balanced


Perfectly balanced is a bit of a vague description for those who do not know what the balance should be. For most people a well balanced flogger can be laid perpendicular on two fingers at the bottom of the handle with the bottom knot and flails hanging on one side. For those familiar with balance of a quality chef's knife, it is a similiar method of balancing the bolster of the knife on the forefinger.




sub4hire -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/1/2005 7:49:27 AM)

quote:

Perfectly balanced is a bit of a vague description for those who do not know what the balance should be. For most people a well balanced flogger can be laid perpendicular on two fingers at the bottom of the handle with the bottom knot and flails hanging on one side. For those familiar with balance of a quality chef's knife, it is a similiar method of balancing the bolster of the knife on the forefinger.


Yep, that is exactly how you tell. Also the flogger tines should be cut straight..too many people don't do that so one is an inch wide and another an incha and a half. Unless you are going for that look, which most aren't you should take a little bit more time to do it so it looks good.

I'll ask him what they glue it with. Also, while he was telling me they use the pipe some use empty pipe because it is supposed to take a bit more muscle to control properly but if you can do it. It is a much better fit or something...I'm not real sure of that...but I'll ask him.



DarkQuin -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/1/2005 8:11:59 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

Thanks Elegant I've often considered using a dowel rod, but was conserned about tensil strength and breakage. What size have you found holds up best?

Fastlane, thanks for the reminder, i'd posted on that thread myself a time or two.
Guess I'll go review. [:)] what am I up to? ~ ~ no good as usual ~ ~ [;)]

Q

I've used hardwood dowel cores for a long time and haven't had any problems with breakage. I had no qualms about using the same technique on the flogger below, which has a 3 foot handle and latigo tails that are 5 feet long. It was a custom order and has held up beautifully to some very intensive play.

If you are talking about crops, then most of the ones you find today use fiberglass cores. Only your quality crops use a rawhide core, they react totally differently then the five buck tack shop special. You can bend a quality crop into a U and let it go and it will spring back, the inexpensive ones either can not bend that far or break when you force it.

Quin



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InsomniaNow -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/2/2005 8:46:24 AM)

We use 6061 aircraft grade Aluminum pipe for our handle cores.. with poured lead.. most people that use shot mix it with Epoxy.. so it's not going anywhere..

If you want a balanced flogger you can build it much larger with PVC / Aluminum in the handle, than you can with a wood dowel. It's just easier to get more lead in the handle while maintaining strength.

Most of your major, reputable flogger makers like Heartwood, use a pvc core.

This also allows you to plug the tails into the pipe, leaving less of the tails wrapped around the outside of the handle.

Lots and lots of bonuses to using pipe over a dowel.

Andrew

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant


quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Ok, I am told pvc pipe. You put lead shot inside to balance it perfectly.

Or a wooden core.




This is what some people do but there are concerns with this method:
1. Unless the lead shot is packed extremely tight or covered with wax or similiar the lead will shift, rattle and roll.
2. Use of PVC often means that the flails and any weave/wrap/cover/knots on the handle would need to be glued to the PVC core unless screws are used. Many adhesives tend to break down from body oils and heat from handling.



quote:

Although, most floggers are crap. A good flogger is perfectly balanced


Perfectly balanced is a bit of a vague description for those who do not know what the balance should be. For most people a well balanced flogger can be laid perpendicular on two fingers at the bottom of the handle with the bottom knot and flails hanging on one side. For those familiar with balance of a quality chef's knife, it is a similiar method of balancing the bolster of the knife on the forefinger.






Elegant -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/2/2005 11:36:17 AM)

Good info to know. Thanks for adding.


quote:

ORIGINAL: InsomniaNow

We use 6061 aircraft grade Aluminum pipe for our handle cores.. with poured lead.. most people that use shot mix it with Epoxy.. so it's not going anywhere..

If you want a balanced flogger you can build it much larger with PVC / Aluminum in the handle, than you can with a wood dowel. It's just easier to get more lead in the handle while maintaining strength.

Most of your major, reputable flogger makers like Heartwood, use a pvc core.

This also allows you to plug the tails into the pipe, leaving less of the tails wrapped around the outside of the handle.

Lots and lots of bonuses to using pipe over a dowel.

Andrew

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant


quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Ok, I am told pvc pipe. You put lead shot inside to balance it perfectly.

Or a wooden core.




This is what some people do but there are concerns with this method:
1. Unless the lead shot is packed extremely tight or covered with wax or similiar the lead will shift, rattle and roll.
2. Use of PVC often means that the flails and any weave/wrap/cover/knots on the handle would need to be glued to the PVC core unless screws are used. Many adhesives tend to break down from body oils and heat from handling.



quote:

Although, most floggers are crap. A good flogger is perfectly balanced


Perfectly balanced is a bit of a vague description for those who do not know what the balance should be. For most people a well balanced flogger can be laid perpendicular on two fingers at the bottom of the handle with the bottom knot and flails hanging on one side. For those familiar with balance of a quality chef's knife, it is a similiar method of balancing the bolster of the knife on the forefinger.








InsomniaNow -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/2/2005 12:54:24 PM)

In addition, everything we do involves screws as we do not trust tacks or nails. We do use some adhesives but they are intended to hold things temporarily while we prepare for screws.

We also use what we call a donut knot. A trick taught to us by a whip maker named David. It's a much better option that tacks and nails, and in some cases better than even screws. Usually we use donut knots and screws, this leaves us with a very, solid and well put together flogger.

As for the cores for crops, I have seen rawhide used and then braided over.

Andrew

quote:

ORIGINAL: Elegant

Good info to know. Thanks for adding.





WickedKev -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/5/2005 4:25:56 PM)

I balance mine using lead shot so the tails are never heavier than the handle. As I like long tails onmy floggers I find this works great and causes very little stress on the forearm.



sub4hire -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/14/2005 8:26:42 PM)

Do you have a website? How many ounces on average or do you have many different weights?



NickInSLC -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/14/2005 9:37:27 PM)

I'm Andrew's partner. Our website is Sincrafters.com. However we're still pretty lacking on photos. I have several pictures of recent pieces in my profile.

Depending on the size of a flogger, we use everything from a solid turned hardwood handle with no lead for some smaller whips all the way up to a pound and half for some of our monster floggers.

This flogger is a medium large for us. It weighs about 2.5 pounds total and has around 9 or 10 ounces of lead. The nice thing about a solid chunk of lead is it is more compact and thus the center of gravity of the load is closer to the end of the handle. We can use usually half an ounce or more less lead for a flogger to get the same balance that can be had with lead shot.

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NickInSLC -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/15/2005 12:06:56 AM)

Actually, paper is commonly used for bolster layers in low end single tails. At that level of quality, they usually use rope cores also.



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mobinaki -> RE: Flogger & Crop Cores? (9/15/2005 4:15:10 AM)

Dear Owner ,

ALL YOUR REQUIRED LEATHER FETISH AND BDSM RANGE

FLOGGERS, WHIPS, QUIRTS, CROPS, PADDLES, LEATHER JACKETS, BRAS, BIKNI, SADDLE BAGS,FETISH RANGE,CUFFS,RESTRAINTS MEDICAL INSTRUMENTS FOR SEX ( GAGS, SPECULUMS, SCISSORS, PINWHEEL, AIR SYRINGE, PRECTOSCOPE, DILATOR SETS, PRATT SETS)

Are Available and You can Check our Craftsmanship in our Web Store as

www.mobinaki.com here you need Login details , which are as

LOGIN NAME: skt
PASSWORD: mna786

Hope that you will find your required items from our store / web site , if not then just inform us , we assure you that we can make any type of Leather items.....just check us.


Hope to get the reply with your further comments / demand list and information''s.

Best Wishes and Regards

AJMAL
DIRECTOR EXPORT

MOBI & AKI INTERNATIONAL
SIALKOT 51310
PAKISTAN.
Chamber of Commerce Membership Number: A13292
National Tax Number: 1542922-9

NOTE: PLS IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED OUR INTRODUCTION MAIL ALREADY , THEN CONSIDER THIS MAIL AS REMINDER...THANKS



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