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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:16:04 AM   
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Great... now I'm singing Black Velvet in that little boys smile, Black Velvet in that slow southern style, A new religion that will bring you to your knees... Black Velvet if you please.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:23:16 AM   
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Your analogy is somewhat flawed. Look at the example as you presented it, and note the part that I put in bold. You say yourself that you'd seek out an expert and talk to them so as to figure out what you're doing before you try to jump into the middle of things.

I would say, by extension, that asking on collarme for advise and suggestions before going to local clubs or doing your own play is the exact same thing. Seeking out an expert and asking them.


And too often the newbie that goes and seeks out the expert in R/t to learn from  will come back and ask something or offer advice and then get slammed/insult  for the "one twue way" thinking because they still do not have years of experience with mulitple partners that others have.   Some do honestly try to learned but their knowledge will only be as valueable as the mentor or souce they are learning from.

For example a newbie may have come across the CastleRealm site and  that is how they started learning, they made the effort to learn, they absorbed what was written, they might come here asking for more advice ......but lo and behold in their honest attempt to further their knowledge they are berated and treated like an idiot and moron simply because because they started their efforts to learn from a site that had a narrow minded and distorted view of the lifestyle.  This site offers the best  place for newbies to learn from because there are a wide range of  knowledge from many experienced people,  they newbie  can quickly establish there is no one twue way and therefore they would be able to  pick and choose the information that will work best for them, if it is offered

I can understand that not every one want sto share their knowledge or they may , see a poster as coming across as a misguided idiot for a question they put forth,   if you view it as such why not simply ignore the poster  and move on to another post..........  or explain why their views  come across as idiotic if that is the way you feel..... what purpose does berating and insulting, offer that person   if no advice as to why their question or opinion is foolish or is distorted in your opinion ??  Is it simply done to stroke your own ego or is it done for sadistic pleasure?    Now I do understand there are a few here that do not listen and take the offered contructive criticism to heart and learn from , so it becomes a wasted effort offering more advice and they do become deserving of insult and being berating if they keep going on and on but that is different than the newcomer who first arrives, maybe asks a poorly worded question or has been misguided, give them a chance first before judging them , or  choose to ignore them if you do not feel they are worth the effort.rather than bash them.

I am a newbie and will be for many years, I will admit that I have made mistakes, will likely make a lot more,  that I have allowed myself to become misguided, that I have been guilty of "one twue thinking"  but it is when I read about the opinions others expressed or read up info suggested  that I become aware of my mistakes or that I am on the wrong path and need  re-evaluate my thinking so I am not making as many mistakes in R/t relationship and can spare myself very painful lessons  and also  broaden my own knowledge base.
I still recall  my very first question on this board and  luckily there were some that offered advice and explanation, several months later I look back at that question and I do realize how embarassingly stupid  it was,  at that time I was so naive about the lifestyle that  I did not recognize it as such. 

So yes... even the stupid idiots are capable of learning if given a chance

And I do expect some will look at this reply  and will judge me to still be the  idiot luckily my skin is getting thicker, maybe in a few more years I will have gained far more experience and knowledge to understand why



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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:27:55 AM   
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Some subs/slaves...who have managed to surpass all imperfection and unworthiness in their submission, and be nothing but a constant source of delight and amazement to their proud  Domly/Masterly/Owner type reach the Nirvana-like state of being what all other flawed subs/slaves someday hope to be...."TWUEBIES"

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:37:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

Some subs/slaves...who have managed to surpass all imperfection and unworthiness in their submission, and be nothing but a constant source of delight and amazement to their proud  Domly/Masterly/Owner type reach the Nirvana-like state of being what all other flawed subs/slaves someday hope to be...."TWUEBIES"


And then they fart at a munch, and the illusion is shattered. it sucks to be an animal sometimes.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:42:43 AM   
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I think there is a flaw somewhere in the thought, "this is the way they were taught so they don't know any better."  Common sense people.  If I go to learn how to paint landscapes from someone, and that person teaches me that all true artists stretch their own canvas, and then I go to a group of artists and start chatting, I certainly wouldn't say something like, "well all true artists stretch their own canvas" or some crap like that.  My I.Q. is higher than room temperature on a cool day.  Being new to something does not excuse you from using your brain

Cali
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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:52:59 AM   
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You heard that???Online????You're REALLY good!!! Er, beg your pardon....(sprays Febreze)
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And then they fart at a munch, and the illusion is shattered. it sucks to be an animal sometimes. 
   

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 9:57:26 AM   
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I'm just giving mad props to the OP for hip username.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 10:00:53 AM   
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disclaimer: i have not read the whole post, nor do i intend to...

i recognize that we use many words in this lifestyle without using their commonly used definition - slave, pain, beat, etc - but when it comes to things such as being openminded, consenting, or being a snob, personally, i go with the cut and dried dictionary definition...and when i looked up the definition of "snob" on google, i found two definitions...

from princeton word net...
  • a person regarded as arrogant and annoying

and from wikipedia
  • A snob, guilty of snobbery, is a person that adopts the world-view that other people are inherently inferior for any one of a variety of reasons including supposed intellect, wealth, education, *ancestry, etc. ...
now, i may not have a degree or any letters behind my name, but i do have some basic reading comprehension and the way i understand those definitions is that they are not very flattering...through my years of experience in this lifestyle i have gained a lot of knowledge - through my own experience and through others sharing their experience - but i am not so arrogant that i think that i can keep this knowlege to myself...for that is the only way this lifestyle will contine to evolve...imagine how shitty it would be if every couple of generations people had to "discover" that they weren't the only ones...and create clubs and go through the struggles that we have gone through and are still going through...imagine if perhaps 200 or 500 years ago they did actually have ancient houses in europe, but they did get so arrogant that they had to keep the knowlege from whoever...and perhaps they did...we don't know...but i know, for me, that i don't want future generations to feel the isolation that i did, even if it was only for a short period of time in the grand scheme of my life...it was desperate...heck, sometimes it still is...

i guess all that to say...if i ever become a "bdsm snob"...some one smack me and say "what the fuck are you doing?"

chelle


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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 10:00:54 AM   
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Cali which brain?

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 10:00:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

You heard that???Online????You're REALLY good!!! Er, beg your pardon....(sprays Febreze)
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And then they fart at a munch, and the illusion is shattered. it sucks to be an animal sometimes. 
  



Oh yes,and it was truly hellish,becuz,everyone turned at looked at her master when she did it. After all, she is a reflection of him, and he takes total responsibility for EVERYTHING she does, right?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 11:05:52 AM   
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  FR
another thread with pages of  usless shit

< Message edited by swtnsparkling -- 1/25/2008 11:06:31 AM >


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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 11:06:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: swtnsparkling

another thread with pages of  usless shit


feel free to add even more.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 11:09:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Leatherist

quote:

ORIGINAL: lronitulstahp

You heard that???Online????You're REALLY good!!! Er, beg your pardon....(sprays Febreze)
quote:

  
And then they fart at a munch, and the illusion is shattered. it sucks to be an animal sometimes. 
 



Oh yes,and it was truly hellish,becuz,everyone turned at looked at her master when she did it. After all, she is a reflection of him, and he takes total responsibility for EVERYTHING she does, right?

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!


I would have said simply for the benefit of the surrounded crowd (as her Master)---

Bitch !!!! I told you to SHIT!!!  You will be fetching the whip upon your entrance to my castle, we don't do anything half-assed (ya, I said that) at the house of smoke and mirrors.

MasterFormidable

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 11:21:16 AM   
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All shit isnt useless. Cow patties can be burned for heat.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 11:56:42 AM   
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Additionally the tests seem to take on a life of their own, with each generaion of novice being either tested more heavily or less heavily than the group before them. Without a very strictly guarded methodology the reason for, the duratin of, and the intensity of the hazing tends to drift and be lost over time.


Temporal connectivity is a myth. Like The History of Art rather than being an artist, it assumes conections and thus makes constructs outside of an existential phenomenology.

Flame me, haze me and retort that these words mean nothing to you. All i really have to go on is not what others have learned before me, but only the authenticity and integrity of my own experience.

That might appear to look like snobbery from anther's point of view. For me, my experience in the moment is the only tradition i have.  Come and watch me in real time, come and touch me in real time, come and kink me, pimp me, and do whatever it is that is conesented to in real time.

i am a slave to a real dynamic and no slave to traditions, no matter who holds the key to the ritual. for me every moment of service is a new one.


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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 12:32:49 PM   
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It is little known that Jim Dandy M. actually lived in a compound in Arkansas with a bunch of females in what constituted one of the first American poly households of the nineteen seventies.<<true fact.

He's something like an American David Koresh or Fela Kuti. Definitely pervy.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 12:53:05 PM   
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Compound? Like culty?

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 1:09:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subtee

Compound? Like culty?


Semi-culty.

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 1:16:48 PM   
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jimdandy,

Nicely put, thgere are many snobs bith the attitude that you be better then thee because of "whatever".

CP

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RE: BDSM SNOBS - 1/25/2008 1:37:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Additionally the tests seem to take on a life of their own, with each generaion of novice being either tested more heavily or less heavily than the group before them. Without a very strictly guarded methodology the reason for, the duratin of, and the intensity of the hazing tends to drift and be lost over time.


Temporal connectivity is a myth. Like The History of Art rather than being an artist, it assumes conections and thus makes constructs outside of an existential phenomenology.

i am a slave to a real dynamic and no slave to traditions, no matter who holds the key to the ritual. for me every moment of service is a new one.




If only those morons who call themselves artists WOULD learn from the past!  We would see a lot less talentless and skillless crap foisted up as "art"!

Same goes for BDSM, to say only your "experience" shapes you, not the past, well did you invent the paddle?  Did you invent spanking?  Did you invent anything, did you invent the things that make you hot, what you find erotic?

Nope.  How you choose to use it and manipulate it can be made yours if you are self aware enough to do it but you can't truly disconnect yourself from the past nor be truly "new". 

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