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kyang777 -> Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 11:28:50 AM)

Everyone knows that strapon training, or f/m spanking carries some sexual excitments and that really carry the male subs through the 'punishments'.

For Mistresses, have you tried to force the male sub(s) to release first before you carry on hard spanking, hard core strap on training, if yes. Then what differences will it make?

Hope to hear some interesting stories, LOL.



MsIncontrol -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 11:39:31 AM)

Yes, my submissive can't take nearly as much pain or tolerate torture as he can when he is aroused.  However, it doesn't effect his emotional submission to me.  Liek most men, after releasing he is less attentive as before, but also knows who butters his bread, so to speak, so he is usually pretty good with accepting whatever I have to offer whenever it is offered.

Edited to add:  When I am administering real discipline for infractions I always make sure there is no sexual attachement.  For example, a discipline spanking can be much different than a spanking in the middle of a scene.



DarlaDarling -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 12:19:42 PM)

I don't use pain for punishment. Punishment takes the form of time separated from me, extra duties assigned, special assignments, or [re]instatement of protocols such as silence unless speech is directed.

Why should real punishment include any activity that a) is enjoyed in other settings, thus creating a negative attachment to said activity, b) requires extra attention from me in a way that puts me out, or c) involves something that I might enjoy [imparting pain]?



DominaRapport -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 12:20:51 PM)

I don't mix serious punishment with play. I make it very clear my sub gets played with when I am pleased with him. If I am displeased with a sub, they become less appealing to me. Consequently they often find themselves dealing with some 'alone time'.

If it is a mock-punishment for play then that is entirely different. Usually I'd only force a male sub to release if I was feeling particularly sadistic and wanted the following activities to cause him more discomfort than pleasure. I too have found there's a much lower tolerance level for torment after release.



Shawn1066 -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 12:43:35 PM)

I have no idea how it would even be possible to be aroused during a real punishment.

Sexual release, however, wouln't make much of a difference in how I react to things.  I'm as submissive after an orgasm as I am before one.



Politesub53 -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 2:03:54 PM)

Maybe so Shawn but i bet you are not so submissive DURING an orgasm [:D]



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 5:05:30 PM)

Politesub is so smart!

I am not a person that uses punishment anymore, but when I did, it was NOT physical, because for me causing pain is fun, and so defeats the purpose all around. 



MsSaskia -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/25/2008 9:00:07 PM)

If I'm doing an actual punishment for bad behavior, there's no sensuality or warmup.  When you're a kid and you're being physically punished, your parents (or whoever) don't warm you up or give you genital stimulation to make the experience easier to handle.  If I'm trying to punish bad behavior and get the point across that something is unacceptable, making it play is a bad way to do that.  Doing something my submissive likes is also inappropriate in a punishment situation.



ItalianSMistress -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/26/2008 7:40:08 AM)

If I am handing out punishment for something, I dont offer any warm up, if it is a cp punishment, like canning. However, it does not always have to be cp, depending on the slave and the action that brought forth this punishment.  But no matter what it is, I make sure it is very unpleasent and has no sexual excitment attacted to it at all.  At the end of that punishment, I want the slave to learn its lesson, not make it desire more.



MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/26/2008 3:47:43 PM)

I don't physically punish subs (any more) for the same reasons I would never hit a child.   Violence is counter-productive and bad for the sub, the Domme and the relationship in the long run.

[Consensual "impact play" (as  prefer to call CP/SM)  is not violence of course.  It is intense sensation.]

My only punishment is the adult equivalent of "going to the naughty corner" eg being ignored or sent home for a set period (if we do not live together).  I might also "ground" a sub by going out and having fun without him.  Soetimes just being disappointed and not talking to him for a while is more than enough.

Punishment needs to be pretty swift after the infraction.  All play has to stop right there until the issue is resolved ie 1 call it out, 2 discuss why he is challenging your authority, 3 extract contrition, 4 punish as last resort. 

So who would see bad behaviour, give the sub an orgasm and then punish him?  That order of events does not make sense. 




MzStripes -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/26/2008 4:16:21 PM)

A submissive should also feel the Domme's disapproval that warrants the need for the punishment. Usually, it involves a lecture explaining the behavior I did not like and why. Afterward the sub would be given time to apologize and ask for their punishment. I normally do not inform them as to how many or what form the punishment will take just as I do not use bondage during punishment. I expect that they remain in position willingly to show their admission and understanding. Once the punishment is over, I give them time to reflect alone. Once they have had time to gather their thoughts and composure, I would continue with the normal events of the day.



YourhandMyAss -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/30/2008 1:48:20 AM)

We do? I wouldn't even begin to presume to think I knew what every one knew.
quote:

ORIGINAL: kyang777

Everyone knows that strapon training, or f/m spanking carries some sexual excitments and that really carry the male subs through the 'punishments'.





MisPandora -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/30/2008 10:48:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kyang777
Everyone knows that strapon training, or f/m spanking carries some sexual excitments and that really carry the male subs through the 'punishments'.

You assume.  It's not sexual for everyone.  As difficult as it might be for you to imagine, what's a turn-on to you may be an abject turn-off for someone else.

You also assume that this is punishment.  Perhaps we're all not speaking the same language.

My raw definitions:
Punishment is explicit correction for an undesirable behavior.
Discipline is a form of physical or mental enforcement or reinforcement of my control over someone.

Many of us don't use pain for punishment, unless we are dealing with a service sub/slave who has no inclination towards gaining arousal out of physical torments.  That I would be breaking the subject of being able to attain gratification from said physical activity would be the only hesistation I would have in doling out a physical punishment to a subject.

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For Mistresses, have you tried to force the male sub(s) to release first before you carry on hard spanking, hard core strap on training, if yes. Then what differences will it make?

There was just a post about how thinking of one's sexual performance in a session with someone created mental blocks that made it less enjoyable.  This is exactly the point of this very exercise.

I don't force anything.  He's simply told to release.  He's purified of that which clouds the mind -- his hard cock and the seed that comes from it.  And then the ministrations begin.  I generally will then cane or singletail and make it purely a sadist v. masochist session where I generally win, and he wins too by surrendering every last ounce of himself to me, mind, body and soul without his dick being in the way.  He demonstrates his abject willingness to put himself on the line for me, regardless of the gratification in it for him.  That is self-sacrifice.

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Hope to hear some interesting stories, LOL.

Thanks, but I'm not your wank fodder.  You can go to Literotica for stories.  What I post here is information for the purpose of someone else learning and growing.



AthenaNike -> RE: Real Punishments? (1/30/2008 11:50:26 PM)


"Let My Disapoint be the Only Punishment Ever Needed, and by That I shall Know Thyne Love to be True and Complete."
(wish I knew the source)



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