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What defines homsexuality?


one homosexual experience at any time
  4% (4)
one homosexual experience not orderedby a Master/Mistress
  2% (2)
enjoyment of the homosexual act
  8% (8)
attraction to ones of the same gender even never acted upon
  34% (33)
acting upon attraction to the same gender
  18% (18)
other (please explain)
  20% (20)
The question is what defines homsexuality, not bisexuality
  11% (11)


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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 12:15:19 PM   
LadyEllen


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ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

OK, lets define homosexuality and heterosexuality. It is not as easy at it sounds.

For example, lets say I gave a guy a BJ. By some definitions I'm a homosexual. Does it make a difference if the BJ was 20 years ago? By the same standard is a gay guy who had hetero sex once a hetero? To further muddy the waters what if my Mistress (or his Master) ordered it and the hetero/ homo subs did not enjoy it.

Then we have the question of bi-sexuality.

Then we have trannies. Post operation are they homosexual? Is gender in the chromosomes or between the legs?

Is there a technical difference between lesbians and gays?

One person will decry me as a heterosexist for starting this poll or for not starting this poll, so I might as well start this poll.

Now the big question. Do you care?


Tell you what, why stop at "trannies" when you could also have used "butt buddies", "faggots", "minge munchers" and a whole host of other offensive ways to refer to people in posing your questions?

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 12:53:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

OK, lets define homosexuality and heterosexuality. It is not as easy at it sounds.
Quite the posting! Let me add my 2 cents worth form a gay male's point of view. In my mind, a simplistic definition is a heterosexual is menatlly and physically attracted to the opposite gender. a homosexual is mentally and physically attracted to members of their own gender.

For example, lets say I gave a guy a BJ. By some definitions I'm a homosexual. Does it make a difference if the BJ was 20 years ago? By the same standard is a gay guy who had hetero sex once a hetero? To further muddy the waters what if my Mistress (or his Master) ordered it and the hetero/ homo subs did not enjoy it.
No one same sex encounter does not make a person gay and neither does a gay person having a single sexual encounter with a heterosexual person.
Then we have the question of bi-sexuality.

Then we have trannies. Post operation are they homosexual? Is gender in the chromosomes or between the legs?
I may be disputed in this area but I don't believe a trans person's sexual orientation is defined by their genitalia. Transgender people's sexual orientation is determined in the same manner as everyone else's. There are many theories that try to explain what defines sexual orientation and none are "completely right" or "completely wrong" at least in my view. I believe it is genetic combined with too many other variables for me to fully understand. I don't try to understand why I am gay, I just try to enjoy life to the best of my ability
Is there a technical difference between lesbians and gays?
IMO, no as they both fall under the same label of being homosexual. Many lesbians will dispute me which is their right as many, for their own comfortablity level do not want to be labelled as gay but as lesbian.

One person will decry me as a heterosexist for starting this poll or for not starting this poll, so I might as well start this poll.

Now the big question. Do you care?
To a large extent I do simply to help educate people who don't understand why a person is attracted to someone of the same gender. Yet it all boils down to is the fact we are all human irregardless of who we sleep with and attracted to.


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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 1:00:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		The vast majority of the people i have encountered in r/l who consider themselves bi-sexual are usually what i call "situationally bi". It's what i am. I have no trouble playing with a woman, especially as part of a group, and have even had one where we laid in each others arms and watch our boys go at it. It was comfortable. it was fun, it was great, but at the end of the night i went home with my partner.

To me homo vs hetero at heart is about who you can fall in love with..Homo vs hetero lifestyle is about how you choose to live your life. A good example is a male who is willing to fuck/suck another male and be done by them, but places a limit on kissing and genreally cuddling.

Personal opinion only. Do i really care? Only if you are going to be in my bed/dungeon. I just like to know who i am playing with.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 1:03:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back in college I took a class (Human Growth and Developement, I think) that defined sexuality based on your actions in the last 3 years.  In other words if you'd only slept with same gender in the previous 3 years you were homosexual, only opposite gender you were hetero, etc. 

I dont personally hold with this as I have not had sex with a woman in more than 3 years, yet am still very much attracted to some women, and therefore continue to identify as bisexual.  But there you go, what was at least one 'textbook definition' as of circa 1991.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 1:57:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

i've thought about this many times throughout my adult life and will add another dimension to the question. Everyone is capable of being sexually aroused and/or having sex with a member of the opposite sex without experiencing the bonds of love that are present within a relationship. i think it's safe to say this describes "having sex" versus "lovemaking" in a general sense.

i think someone defined as homosexual in the truest sense of the word is someone who cannot experience "lovemaking" with the opposite sex. 

This describes me exactly. Very rarely, I find myself sexually attracted to a specific type of dominant man, but have absolutely no desire for "lovemaking" or an actual romantic relationship with one. I only emotionally "click" with women for longterm relationship purposes.
I've gone back and forth between the bisexual and lesbian labels (although I actually tend to use the term "gay" more than "lesbian" for myself). I don't know which is technically more correct, but then I don't really think I care.
The spectrum model is pretty much how I view sexual orientation. I think few people are one extreme or the other, although most who lean more toward one side of the spectrum "choose sides" and self-identify as that.

 

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 2:11:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Boy Sinergy…whether bisexual or homosexual tendencies are learned or a biological happenstance is a whole other can of worms.
If I don’t like broccoli…waving broccoli in my face for the rest of my life will not make me like it. Same with, excuse the rawness, waving a cock in face will not make me like it.
However I don’t have that problem…I like it… always have even if I fought it for many years. In a way I believe I am lucky to be attracted to both sexes. I really do not have a preference except I can form deep relations with a woman but not a man… But I do like a man sexually. Who knows what that says… but it just is.

What really surprised me… I was reading some studies from a reputable source that stated the estimated percentages of sexual orientations in the general population. They said that for every one bisexual there were two homosexuals. I would have thought bisexuals far outnumbered homosexuals… I guess I am special after all…lol
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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 2:40:31 PM   
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OK, lets define homosexuality and heterosexuality. It is not as easy at it sounds.
I agree, I don't think either of these can be easily defined, I picked other on the poll.

For example, lets say I gave a guy a BJ. By some definitions I'm a homosexual. Does it make a difference if the BJ was 20 years ago? By the same standard is a gay guy who had hetero sex once a hetero? To further muddy the waters what if my Mistress (or his Master) ordered it and the hetero/ homo subs did not enjoy it.
No I don't believe either of these instances says one is Homosexual or Hetrosexual.
I don't think it is a choice or that a person becomes either because of participating in sexual acts ordered by their Domina/Dom. Even if you happen to enjoy the experience.
I think being homo, hetro, or bi, is just something you are period. It has nothing to do with how one is brought up, exposure or experiences
and\or a choice.

Then we have the question of bi-sexuality.
Same for Bi-Sexuality.

Then we have trannies. Post operation are they homosexual? Is gender in the chromosomes or between the legs?
Some Transgender are homosexual some are not, that is not their main issue, transexuals feel and the feelings are intense, that they were born into the wrong body, that their body does not match the gender they feel they are inside.
I don't think gender is in the chomosomes or whats between the legs. I think it has to do more with what resides in the soul.
 
Now crossdressers usually are not always transsexual or gay/lesbian(although some definately can be), they are usually straight men who simply enjoy dressing up as women.

Is there a technical difference between lesbians and gays?
Yes, from my experiences there is a vast diference between lesbians and gay men, just as there are between hetro men and woman.

One person will decry me as a heterosexist for starting this poll or for not starting this poll, so I might as well start this poll.

Now the big question. Do you care?
Yes I do care about these issues!
 
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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 3:55:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ramble on anthrosub, I enjoyed the learning experience.

I personally consider a truly homosexual person to be one who is only sexually attracted to someone of the same sex.  I consder someone bi if they are sexually attracted to people of both sexes.  I call myself bi-sensual.  I am not attracted to women, but I have enjoyed sexual encounters with couples and thoroughly enjoyed her touch and feel of the soft smooth curves of the woman.  I am sometimes envious of those curves, and find them beautiful, but they do not attract me in a sexual way.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:08:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe I am heteosexual even tho I could have sex with a woman and most likely enjoy it I am not really attracted to women. I have only had sex with a woman once and that was about 8 years ago, when I was younger and experimenting. I liked it but I wasn't attracted to the girl. People might disagree with me about this but I think I am heterosexual.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:13:52 PM   
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Play it again sam!
I love this place! 
I don't think traditional defintions fit most around here.
I want us to write our own dictionary.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:15:54 PM   
LadyPaige


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

I often hate the word bisexual because it is so loaded. Many get the impression of a nymphomaniac that fucks anything that walks. It connotes images of promiscuity, which is not necessarily true either. I prefer to just say that I’m sexual but that doesn’t work when I’m trying to get my point across. So I use the term bisexual and I cringe a bit every time but we need to find common words to which we can all agree on, on some level.



I've never known anyone to assosicate bisexual with nymphomania.  Perhaps that's the picture you get in your mind when you think the word.  I personally don't like to be called Mistress because it brings to MY mind a tall leather clad woman cracking a whip, and the harshest implement I use corporally is a paddle.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:26:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sylverdawn

homo sexualty is the preference for the same gender


maybe also add an aversion to the opposite gender,
but yeah, what he said.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:29:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

OK, lets define homosexuality and heterosexuality. It is not as easy at it sounds.

For example, lets say I gave a guy a BJ. By some definitions I'm a homosexual. Does it make a difference if the BJ was 20 years ago? By the same standard is a gay guy who had hetero sex once a hetero? To further muddy the waters what if my Mistress (or his Master) ordered it and the hetero/ homo subs did not enjoy it.

Then we have the question of bi-sexuality.

Then we have trannies. Post operation are they homosexual? Is gender in the chromosomes or between the legs?

Is there a technical difference between lesbians and gays?

One person will decry me as a heterosexist for starting this poll or for not starting this poll, so I might as well start this poll.

Now the big question. Do you care?


Tell you what, why stop at "trannies" when you could also have used "butt buddies", "faggots", "minge munchers" and a whole host of other offensive ways to refer to people in posing your questions?

E


Is trannie an offensive term? 

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:37:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPaige
I've never known anyone to assosicate bisexual with nymphomania.  Perhaps that's the picture you get in your mind when you think the word.  I personally don't like to be called Mistress because it brings to MY mind a tall leather clad woman cracking a whip, and the harshest implement I use corporally is a paddle.

I've definitely heard the bisexual = nympho bit before. I've also heard many times that bisexuality and monogamy are mutually exclusive.
As if just because someone likes men and women, it means they have to fuck them both at the same time
Not that it wouldn't be nice.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 4:49:41 PM   
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I believe your term "functionally bi-sexual" is perfect! 

What confuses  me most is why people have such a need to define sexuality in the first place.  Technically, if you are sexually attracted to someone of the same gender, but never act on it, you would be said to have "homosexual tendencies" or are denying your true self.

I don't believe that childhood experimentation qualifies in defining a person's sexuality when as adults, their preference becomes one side or the other.

I do believe that the desire for "forced bi-sexuality" as I have seen on some profiles is where topcat's beautiful definition fits in.  If one has sex with someone of the same gender, they are, by definition, bi-sexual.  It doesn't matter if it was done to please Master or Mistress, it still meets that literal definition.  I would love to see topcat's term used in place of "forced".  The kind of "doesn't do a thing for me, but I will do it to please whomever" and "function" even if just for that moment as a bi-sexual person.

As for people in prison.  I say people, because women spend time in prison as well.  Prison based homosexuality is a phenomenon that has been researched for decades.  There are probably as many explanations and theories for the phenomenon as there are prison inmates having sex.  Some do it to have power over the other person, some need to have some type of intimacy, some submit for protection.  A very good friend of mine did some time and he did not engage in prison homosexuality, he instead got to know his hand VERY well.

The point is that why do we need to define sexuality?  Does everyone here have a need to define why they are in this lifestyle?  I believe our society gets so caught up in defining things that we start to neglect the business at hand of living our lives in a way that will make us as happy as we can possibly be.

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RE: What defines homosexuality? - 5/28/2007 5:28:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion on this subject is this:
 
To me, homosexuality is when you are attracted to, yearn for, find your emotions of love, lust and nurturing stirred by and exclusively for the same sex.
 
Come hell or high water NO one could entice you to fuck the opposite gender and enjoy it.
The same opinion is in regard to Heterosexual also.
 
Bisexuality, to me, is a sexuality of convenience.

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 5:46:44 PM   
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1) look on wikipedia
2) who gives a flying phuck
and for my vote, not in the poll section, without wiki
3) any man or woman who only has sexual desires towards the same kind...manor woman..
 
damn I can think apart from wiki !!
 
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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 6:49:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		what is dominant? what is submissive? If you submit to any authority figure - let's say a police officer, does that make you a submissive? If so, are the only true dominants dead because they've been shot for resisting arrest after refusing to accept a parking ticket?

Like I just said in another thread, there is no concensus for homosexuality versus bisexuality, and no matter how you phrase your individual stance, someone else will tell you you're wrong.

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RE: What defines homosexuality? - 5/28/2007 7:01:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LightHeartedMaam

Bisexuality, to me, is a sexuality of convenience.


Could you explain what you mean by that? I find i want to be offended by the statement, but maybe i am just reading it wrong

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RE: What defines homsexuality? - 5/28/2007 7:06:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Teachme59

Boy Sinergy…whether bisexual or homosexual tendencies are learned or a biological happenstance is a whole other can of worms.



The article was not definitive.  It discussed a recently learned issue about gender development and the findings of certain doctors and scientists specializing in genetics.

What the article did point out was the panoply of genetic markers which express certain proteins and the effects these proteins may or may not have on a person's sexual preference.  Accordingly, perhaps sexual desire is programmed in and not a learned behavior.  Or perhaps sexual desire is a learned behavior that can only grow in a garden genetically designed to accept it.

Your use of yourself as an example of a true blue heterosexual might simply indicate that the proteins expressed by the DNA instructions programmed you to be heterosexual.  I dont have any sexual interest in men, so I can relate.

What fascinates me, however, is "why" something is the case, and less what the case actually is.  To me, that is the question.

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