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How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 3:30:11 PM   
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In the wake of Katrina, I found myself wondering if I even knew what to do in the event of a major natural or mad-made disaster.
The devastation of the gulf coast and the double tragedy of the New Orleans flood has been very sobering for me. I was discussing this with Ms Foxy this morning, (she disabled/partial wheelchair) and it made me realize I actually do not know what to do or where to go.
I am sure if I had the resources and had warning, I would, first and foremost, get out . But what if I couldn't? What if you can't?
I find myself smiling now when I hear the test of the emergency broadcast system, now. If we take the time to think about it, that is a very nice plan, but it might not work at all. What if there is no way to broadcast?
So how many of us are aware of our own city's emergency strategy?
Do you know where to go? If that place is qiped out, do you have a back-up plan?
Do you have batteries and a battery operated radio or television?
Do you have a generator? Or at least a way to provide some light and ability to cook? (i.e. oil lamps, charcoal?)
Do you have reasonable canned food on hand?
Do you have enough bottled fresh water?
Is your gas tank full?
What would you do about your pets in the case of a major disaster?
Do you have a list of your medications, and can you grab what you need in a heartbeat?
Do you even know what you would need, given the time to choose?
Just a bit of curiosity on my part, as I have been reading the other threads on this. In watching the terrible straits of many of these people, I was motivated into thinking about how I would attempt to survive, if I had even 3 minutes to prepare.
How about you?



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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 3:57:33 PM   
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We thought about this the other night. One of our objectives for the weekend is to put together a disaster plan.

Edited to add: We're in earthquake country vs. hurricane country

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 4:12:50 PM   
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We've got tanks with 30 gallons of stabilized gasoline, steel shutters that bolt on all windows and doors with glass in them, 30 days worth of MRE's and 40 gallons of drinking water, several pistols and rifles with about 500 rounds for each, compressed gas for a camp stove, a 7000 watt generator, a window air conditioner to replace the house one, all trees around the house have been replaced with succulants that won't turn into projectiles.

I'd say we have a start on it.



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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 4:12:58 PM   
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We think about this every time the sotrms come in this island floods from all sides, not an issue of levee's rather the water rising and just covering. This is my home and I guess when I get reallly old I might make other homestead choices. But the question is here leave a week ahead or fight the traffic and hope you are a few hundred miles aways by the time the storm sets in.

Several years ago well ten or so many people were in jeopardy stuck out on the roads where they were in grid lock traffic we are way past over due for one ...... This disaster really is making me wonder what I am going to do kids cats dogs.....guess were really wont know till that time comes

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 4:55:16 PM   
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I can answer yes to all your questions , I live in southern Florida.

The two most important things are taking the warnings seriously and having a good attitude.

I think a good way to be prepared is spend a weekend playing 'stranded', do not use any electricity , do not drive anywhere or go outside, do not flush the toilets and do not use the running water. You will be amazed what you will learn about yourself and whoever you live with.

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 5:08:26 PM   
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do not flush the toilets


Down here you can almost always flush the toilets. If you don't have a swimming pool or hot tub, a collection pond or canal isn't far away. Flushing water need not be safe to drink.

When the electricity goes off I wonder how many remember there are many many gallons of drinkable water in the hot water heater (if you don't " treat" the hot water lines upstream from the heater)

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 5:22:36 PM   
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I added that about flushing the toilets because after first hurricane hit last year the toilets here all backed up(for over a week) sewage even backed up into the bathtubs. There were not enough generators for the pumping stations, with a full house, no a/c and 90 degree weather you can imagine the aromatic... effect this had on the household.

I so admired your preparedness that I read it aloud to the Owner. Interestingly enough He and i had been discussing guns earlier in the evening when discussing katrina. It is a reality in times like this there is no police presence and it is up to individual homeowners to defend themself , their families and property.


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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 5:33:02 PM   
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Great Ideas, but those friggin generators are expensive... They never seem to go on "Sale".
Thanks GoddessDustyGold for starting this thread. I will certainly buy more than the very little I have (proably a week's worth of survival food, not enough water or alcohol). M

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 6:38:29 PM   
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I added that about flushing the toilets because after first hurricane hit last year the toilets here all backed up(for over a week) sewage even backed up into the bathtubs. There were not enough generators for the pumping stations, with a full house, no a/c and 90 degree weather you can imagine the aromatic... effect this had on the household.


Oh, I can. Remember I used to live in the Third World.

Sorry, I misunderstood. Flushing and backing up are two different situations. Flushing is an individual thing. Backing up is government (which means you are helpless)

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I so admired your preparedness that I read it aloud to the Owner. Interestingly enough He and i had been discussing guns earlier in the evening when discussing katrina. It is a reality in times like this there is no police presence and it is up to individual homeowners to defend themself , their families and property.


A nice word can sometimes turn away looters. A nice word and a gun is a LOT more effective.

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 6:41:23 PM   
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Great Ideas, but those friggin generators are expensive... They never seem to go on "Sale".


A while back Home Depot had a special: 10% off a one-time purchase for card holders. We stocked up then, including the generator. A while later, the state of Florida had a tax holiday for hurricane supply purchases, but we'd already stocked up... and saved more in any case.



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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 9:37:53 PM   
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JohnWarren:

I'm just curious..

I've never experienced anything such as the power of a hurricane. Have you ridden one of these things out before? I remember the closest I've ever been was a really bad storm that spawned tornadoes, and when the wind (probably 60mph straightline winds, not tornadic) started whipping outside, I was damn near terrified. I had a bag of chips in one hand and my little boy in the other, ready to jump in the closet.

How do you cope with such things??????

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 9:50:47 PM   
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A survivalist friend of mine sent me this:

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Now, let's get the facts turned around right. THE MOST DANGEROUS PEOPLE IN AMERICA TODAY ARE THE NONSURVIVALISTS. Every person who has not made provisions for surviving without food, water, fuel and other essential needs from the outside, is a mortal danger to his neighbors.

What will a man do when he and his family are freezing, hungry, thirsty, sick and starving? He may ask or beg his neighbors for help, but when they have no extra fuel, food, water or medicine to give, will he just go back home to die with his wife and kids? What do you think? We survivalists who stock up on food and other supplies, now do a favor to society because what we now buy is replaced on the shelves, so there will be that much more available in an emergency. We survivalists won't be looting and killing for food. We won't be a burden on the medical facilities or a danger to the police. Since we will be able to turn to each other, we will not need to turn on anyone and we may be able to help at least some.

Survival preparation should be regarded as a social obligation, one that every individual owes to his family and community and his nation. The nonsurvivalist is simply a poor and irresponsible citizen.


A year ago I would've written him off as a nut.

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 10:12:05 PM   
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JohnWarren:

I'm just curious..

I've never experienced anything such as the power of a hurricane. Have you ridden one of these things out before? I remember the closest I've ever been was a really bad storm that spawned tornadoes, and when the wind (probably 60mph straightline winds, not tornadic) started whipping outside, I was damn near terrified. I had a bag of chips in one hand and my little boy in the other, ready to jump in the closet.

How do you cope with such things??????


I've been through both hurricanes and typhoons (same winds, different oceans). The worst place is at sea. Your world is literally "rocking". The winds blow even a large ship around and I was on a destroyer (not the most steady platform in a flat calm). On land, it's a bit better but still frightening. It helps having some kind of vital work to do. The worst times I've had is when I had nothing to do but just hunker down and listen to the roar.

How does one cope? By coping. You hang on, pray or swear (depending on your orientation) and remember that "this too will end." It might seem to be a good idea to take a sleeping pill or a tranquilizer, but I recommend against it. If things start coming apart, it's a good thing to have your wits in full working order.

Oh, closets are GOOD places. No windows to break and the walls are close together so it makes that part of the structure stronger. It's a good idea to stash some candy, a battery light, a dirty book and a few bottles of water in the closet ahead of time.



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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 10:18:31 PM   
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Kisshou, you got me thinking about backed up toilets. It was a situation I hadn't considered before. I think I've found a way to deal with it here. Just outside the house, we have a three or four inch wide circular opening that leads into the sewer outlet. It's intended to allow a plumber to insert a cleaning device in case of a clog.

I'm going to buy a rubber bladder (sort of a very heavy duty balloon). If we start to get flooding. I'll use the opening to put the bladder into the sewer line and then inflate it. That will prevent us from using the toilets and sinks in the house but it will also prevent sewer water from backing up. It's an unlikely scenario because, by Florida standards, we are on high ground (15 feet or so above 100 year flood level) but, as you may have guessed, I'd rather be prepared than surprised.

Thanks for the wake up call.


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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 11:35:32 PM   
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Boy Scouts 101: Always have a pocket knife. It's all you're really going to need to manage out in the wild. Besides, the more you have, the more likely you'll look like a target for muggers. I also have a fishing pole and small water proof tackle kit containing a lighter and some matches along with fishing supplies. I hate starting fires with the small bow, wood, and a stick but can do so if needed.

Weither you prepare yourselves for natural disaters, nuclear war, alien invasion, or religious end time beliefs, it's always good to have a pocket knife on you. It's light, small, durable, and effective for many uses including self defense, cutting, and skinning.

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/2/2005 11:45:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

In the wake of Katrina, I found myself wondering if I even knew what to do in the event of a major natural or mad-made disaster.
The devastation of the gulf coast and the double tragedy of the New Orleans flood has been very sobering for me. I was discussing this with Ms Foxy this morning, (she disabled/partial wheelchair) and it made me realize I actually do not know what to do or where to go.
I am sure if I had the resources and had warning, I would, first and foremost, get out . But what if I couldn't? What if you can't?
I find myself smiling now when I hear the test of the emergency broadcast system, now. If we take the time to think about it, that is a very nice plan, but it might not work at all. What if there is no way to broadcast?
So how many of us are aware of our own city's emergency strategy?
Do you know where to go? If that place is qiped out, do you have a back-up plan?
Do you have batteries and a battery operated radio or television?
Do you have a generator? Or at least a way to provide some light and ability to cook? (i.e. oil lamps, charcoal?)
Do you have reasonable canned food on hand?
Do you have enough bottled fresh water?
Is your gas tank full?
What would you do about your pets in the case of a major disaster?
Do you have a list of your medications, and can you grab what you need in a heartbeat?
Do you even know what you would need, given the time to choose?
Just a bit of curiosity on my part, as I have been reading the other threads on this. In watching the terrible straits of many of these people, I was motivated into thinking about how I would attempt to survive, if I had even 3 minutes to prepare.
How about you?





Well, we're more ready than some, but definitely not ready enough. While hubby has tons of practical survival skills and we've discussed the "what if" scenarios before, we're still not in a state of readiness to provide ourselves with anything like long term survival. Neither of us have any clue about our city's emergency strategy. We don't have any ideas for offical places to go for help, but we do have one or two alternate ideas of where we could go.

For longterm survival, we both want to get a non-gas powered generator (and have wanted to for a long time). Now that we're buying our first home, maybe we'll actually get one. Same goes for solar and wind power -- I'm a huge fan of any renewable, free, source of energy. Another thing I'd like is a hand pump for our well for when the power goes out and the pump won't run. So while in a perfect world, we'd already have these things, in reality we don't yet.

We both can survive in a fairly hostile environment, though it wouldn't be any fun whatsoever. We know how to test and purify our water if need be and have a fair idea of what wild plants are edible, as well as how to hunt. (Though I despise hunting -- if it's a survival necessity, I'm sure I could throttle Bambi myself.) We have a hand cranked radio, and I'd love to eventually get a HAM radio as when everything else goes down, the HAM users are usually the first to be able to contact outside help. We'd manage with light and fire to cook, not a problem there, but we don't have any water or canned food on hand -- if the well got contaminated, we'd just have to boil everything and hope for the best. The gas tank is almost always low but assuming roads were clear, we might be able to make 100 miles.

Pets would (depending on the severity of the problem) either: a) come with us b) be set free to fend for themselves (ours were feral when we got them -- so they do know how to live on their own.) c) Or (and I hate to say this one, but it's practical) if in a really extreme situation (and it would have to be very extreme)-- become food.

I do take medicines daily and I've done some consideration of how I could manage without manufactured meds -- relying on the tried and true herbal remedies and herbs which make up the basis of my regular medications -- of course I've got all the books on these plants, know what they look like and where they're native, but do I have a garden of them like I'd been planning. Of course not! I keep saying "someday", but of course that doesn't get the work done.

Do I know what I need? Oddly enough, yes. But other than ID, most of it isn't readily at hand, so we'd kind of be up a creek when it came to necessities. Thanks for the mental jolt, maybe this will get our butts into gear.



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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/3/2005 1:56:20 AM   
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Pretty good thread Dusty.

I'm one of those "good ole country boys" an was also a boy scout, so yeah I'm prepared. We have ice storms here in NC just about every year. They usually manage to knock the power out for a few days and sometimes a week or two... you get used to it. Here's a few thoughts I thought I'd contribute.

Check with your local community college on course on Camping... some actually have them an they'll teach you things like how to build a camp fire, keep it safe and cook on it. Damn handy to know if the power is out an that's the only way you have to cook food... plus if you like to camp...

For a flashlight, get one that is waterproof and runs off a six volt lantern battery; they will last for a long time in emergencies with constant use and the batteries hold charges much longer when stored.

Do you have a first aid kit? Get a basic one.

Order a copy of the Boy Scout Field Book... its an amazingly useful book an can tell you how to deal with a lot of things. Plus it teaches how to tie all kinds of nifty knots that might come in useful other times

Do you have a fire extinguisher in your home... get a small one.

Don't buy those generators from Lowes and Home Depot... look around for Military Surplus stores. There's one here in NC called Delk's, they sell reconditioned military diesel generators that can power a whole neighborhood for about $1500. You'll pay that for a dinky one at Lowes. And the diesel ones run longer.

Don't buy a gun unless you are also willing to take the time to properly learn how to use it and care for it. It won't do you much good if you can't hit what you aim at. A lot of police departments will let you practice on their firing ranges and even offer free training, ask them.

Make it a habit to keep enough canned and dry goods in your home to last a week. Doesn't have to be MRE's, just regular canned goods and dry goods that you normally use. That way you are using it up and replacing it so it gets rotated and you don't have to worry about it going to waste. If you have the room to store more an can afford that, great... but a week's worth should be your minimum.

If you live in areas that might have to evacuate because of a hurricane or earthquake... pre arrange with relatives to be able to go stay with them for awhile if an evacuation is order. That way you already know where you are going and can be prepared to get there.

If you needed help, do you know your neighbors well enough to be able to rely on them? Do they know you well enough? Community is a wonderful thing in times of disaster.

That's pretty basic, but its some ideas to start with that almost anyone could do.

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/3/2005 5:10:45 AM   
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Don't buy a gun unless you are also willing to take the time to properly learn how to use it and care for it. It won't do you much good if you can't hit what you aim at. A lot of police departments will let you practice on their firing ranges and even offer free training, ask them.


I know you implied it, but I'll be even blunter here. Don't have a gun unless you are willing to KILL. It's not a remote control device that simply holding it gives you power over others. It's a tool for blowing large bloody holes in people. (Sorry to be gross, but this is vital to think about.) If you aren't willing to blow a large bloody hole in a person, you are better off not having a firearm.


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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/3/2005 5:59:59 AM   
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You are absolutely right John. I try to be polite most of the time, but I guess you have to hit people over the head with things before they get it. I was raised with guns. By they time I was 5 years old I could field strip almost every gun in my Pawpaw's collection. I was taught to respect guns and what they could do. I was taught you NEVER point a gun at anything you don't intend to kill... EVER. I never have, I've never played with a gun as though it were a toy, neither as a kid or an adult. Some of the things I see people do with guns scares me... to me, because of the way I was raised, its unthinkable. Real gun control is being a responsible gun owner... and I MEAN that people.. if you want to own a gun that's fine by me, but take responsibility for it!!!

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RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? - 9/3/2005 9:29:11 AM   
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Nope not ready for something like that but with water levels going half way up my house i think most of the stuff would be left behind. I dont really worry too much about natural disasters as if its going to happen there is not much I can do about it...

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