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snippens -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/3/2005 2:14:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Great Ideas, but those friggin generators are expensive... They never seem to go on "Sale".


If you live in a city where crime might be a problem, you need to think about where you plan on storing the fuel for the generator. When the electricity is out, the pumps at your local gas station are not going to be running... so you will need to keep plenty of fuel on hand to last as long as you need electricity. I am not sure I would want the fuel indoors (and certainly don't run your generator indoors!)

As for the original question, thank you GoddessDustyGold for the practical ideas of how to prepare.

For several years of my life I did not have money for a motel in an emergency and my car was unreliable transportation. If an emergency happened, I would have been trapped like all those people in New Orleans. My heart goes out to them.





domtimothy46176 -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/3/2005 5:42:36 PM)

We live in the middle of Tornado Alley in Ohio and one lesson well learned is to always have a hand-powered can-opener. It's surprising how many folks only own an electric one.
Timothy




anthrosub -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/3/2005 5:44:33 PM)

I'd like to add an observation that I think factors in now that we have the situation that Katrina has provided. During and after most disasters, people usually think in terms of stocking up on provisions they will need until the infrastructure can be restored. In the case of Katrina, we have something much more severe.

The area has been wiped out. Nobody, not even those who might have prepared can stay in the region and won't be returning for a long time. It makes me think that being prepared may also need to include a secondary place to relocate and a way to get there.

anthrosub




MasterBenedict -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/14/2005 7:53:36 PM)

Well, I for one @ least know more about what to do for Katrina than 'good ole' GW!




subcheryl -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/16/2005 9:26:09 AM)

During Katrina and the week following were a challenge, but also a test of survival skills. Furtunately we had in the freezer compartment a partially used bag of ice and a full tray of icecube,(we have an auto. ice maker) and two very good coolers, I was able to put that ice in the coolers and keep the meat frozen and usable for the four days that we were without power. but since than have read and also remembered a couple of things, if at all possible, buy a small chest freezer, if you don't buy enough frozen items to fill it you can fill the bottom with bottles of water filled 3/4 full<to allow for expansion, and boxes of newspaper, makes the freezer work less to keep things frozen, also when the power goes out, a chest freezer takes longer to defrost than an upright as cold air settles and not rises and with up rights it comes out at you everytime you open it, and that is another pt, don't open it unless you have to. that is one item on masters and my buying list for the house, also stock pile on candles in the jar, they are a bit safer than a candle stick, charcoal too for an outdoor grill, canned meats so if what you have becomes unusable in your freezer you can usually fix something with canned meat, like ham, chicken, tuna, spam, veggies also, and get some old pots and pans to use over a fire that way won't destroy good teflon pans and such, we used master gas fireplace with the wood grate turned over and an old refrig. shelf over that with tinfoil to cover it and I use the tinfoil for cooking on and also the heavy duty stuff will make sort of an makeshift oven over the grate setup great for baked potatoes takes a bit longer but hey what else do you have to do during a power outage, Question how do you nurtalize gas to keep it safe for storage in a shed or something, that was a problem here, there where stations up and running(obviously with generators) but the lines were so bad and sometimes they ran out before you got to the pump, master sat one day for 3 hrs waiting in line for gas. and he works for a va hosp and so had to get to work but they would sell only 5 gals to employees and only if you were down to a quarter tank, he got rather nervous about the gas part during that time. and also need to for sure have extra water on hand, and it wouldn't hurt to have some juices too as they can be a good source for nutrition.
Edited to say also there are a couple of good magazines out there too, I like both of them and know at least one you can access here on computer, MotherEarth news.com and the other was backwoods journal both have some good down to earth usful articles in them and I beleive the Backwoods journal has things like building solarpowered generators and wind battery chargers and such gagets in it all designed to help you live with nature and off the land if you choose to.




SirKenin -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/17/2005 11:17:48 AM)

I am not prepared at all. Where I live these things are unheard of so it never crosses My mind. I guess if it did I would be screwed. [&:]




lustiwench -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/17/2005 11:42:09 AM)

Having gone through a direct hit from hurricane Charley last year, I think no matter how prepared you are, you are never prepared enough. The best you can do is stock up on supplies and medicines, hope for the best and when the worst happens, pull together with family and friends.




FLButtSlut -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/17/2005 10:31:43 PM)

The devastation of Katrina was horrific, no doubt about it. I moved to the Gulf Coast of Florida from NJ. Both states do get hit with hurricanes, although naturally the Gulf Coast will get hit worse than NJ. I have noticed quite a few differences between the southern frame of mind and the northern.

The saddest thing about Katrina is the number of people who chose not to leave. Not who were unable, but who chose to stay. The path of this storm had been predicted for at least a week, and the towns, parishes, communities did not even think to prepare their shelters until 24 hours before. I am neutral about GW, but that was not his fault at all.

The police, fire and rescue in Louisiana was quite vocal about having to work continuously without time off. So much so that they were promised family vacations to Las Vegas on the tax payers dollar. This is appalling. I lived in NJ when 9/11 struck, and I was 35 miles outside of Manhatten. I could see the smoke from my home that day and had many friends who worked in the city, some of whom were sadly lost. The police, fire and rescue workers for that disaster REFUSED to take time off. They worked around the clock and even when told to take breaks refused. Small naps were taken leaning against a wall and that was only when they were falling asleep standing up. These brave men and women did this because the job wasn't finished and they were determined to rescue every one they could. They didn't receive family vacations for their dedication either.

Gun control in the north, as many know is vastly different from the south. Here in Florida, just about anyone who does not have a felony or mental illness will be granted a license to carry a concealed weapon. While I am not against anyone's right to protect themselves, all of the shooting in Louisiana wouldn't have occurred up north because most of the people are not running around with handguns.

My best friend in NJ asked me how the North Carolinians could even consider not evacuating for Olivia. I guess I have truly become a Floridian already because I laughed and told her of course they aren't going to evacuate on a CAT 1 or CAT 2! When you live in the coastal areas that get hit regularly, CAT 1 or 2 is not much more than a lot of wind and rain, unless you live in a flood zone (I personally live about a mile from the beach).

Last year (because we haven't been hit with any major storms in my area this year, thankfully), the schools would close 2 days before the storm was due to hit so that they could be prepared as shelters. It seems, my area at least, takes the prediction seriously enough to prepare well in advance.

Mr. Warren, You sir, are most definately ready for a hurricane when it hits. It sounds like you have yourself quite a fortress set up. Many people in Florida, however, do not have the financial or storage capacity to prepare as well as you. As for your concern about backed up toilets, I have a much simpler solution for you. At any well equiped camping store, or try Coleman on line, you can purchase your own "port-a-pot". It is a small, portable toilet used for camping. They are available from the very modestly priced to the more elaborate, expensive type. All are used with a type of bag system which is changed after each (or a number of) uses. It would seem that would be much more pleasant than going outside over the sewer.

My prayers go out to all of those displaced and suffering from Katrina. They have a very rough time ahead of them recovering. A bar on Bourbon Street re-opened for business pretty quickly, so the heart of New Orleans is alive and well to give her people hope. I have suffered through devastating disasters in my life, and I always try to believe the old saying "that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger". Right now, hard for many to believe, but in time and in retrospect, these people will recover.




JohnWarren -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/17/2005 10:48:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut
Mr. Warren, You sir, are most definately ready for a hurricane when it hits. It sounds like you have yourself quite a fortress set up. Many people in Florida, however, do not have the financial or storage capacity to prepare as well as you. As for your concern about backed up toilets, I have a much simpler solution for you. At any well equiped camping store, or try Coleman on line, you can purchase your own "port-a-pot". It is a small, portable toilet used for camping. They are available from the very modestly priced to the more elaborate, expensive type. All are used with a type of bag system which is changed after each (or a number of) uses. It would seem that would be much more pleasant than going outside over the sewer.


If you reread my post, I was concerned about water from the sewer system backing up into the house. That was the purpose of the proposed bladder. I'm quite capable of arranging a jurybuilt toilet.

Maybe it was the term "bladder" that threw you. Not all "bladders" are inside the body.




FLButtSlut -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/18/2005 10:54:28 PM)

What I thought you meant was that you were going to use this bladder as your "toilet", not that it would allow you to use the toilets in your home without the risk of the sewer backing up. So with that thought, I offered my suggestion. Many people who do not camp for recreation are unaware that these devices exist. You said that this "bladder" would prevent you from using the toilets or sinks in your home, so being the "non plumber", I made the connection that you would be using this bladder instead (you can stop laughing now).




JohnWarren -> RE: How many of us are ready for a Katrina? (9/19/2005 4:39:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FLButtSlut

What I thought you meant was that you were going to use this bladder as your "toilet", not that it would allow you to use the toilets in your home without the risk of the sewer backing up. So with that thought, I offered my suggestion. Many people who do not camp for recreation are unaware that these devices exist. You said that this "bladder" would prevent you from using the toilets or sinks in your home, so being the "non plumber", I made the connection that you would be using this bladder instead (you can stop laughing now).


No problem. It was an honest mistake




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