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lusciouslips19 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 6:45:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


Respectfully, I find this a bit dramatic. Dirty work? You dont find this disrespectful? Terrorize? How can a few barbed word terrorize one so? They are just words.


you know i like most of your posts and i agree with you. to a point.

my infamous to a point...sigh.

a few barbed words, worded the right way and to the right person will have MASSIVE effects. or at least the potential. case in point--rape play threads. that's one big minefield of triggers sitting right there for the right group. me? i tend to ignore them for that reason. however it's all just words right? doesn't matter that the power of words has driven numerous and countless people (including myself) into therapy at one point or another right?

NOTE: THAT WAS NOT WHINING OR LOOKING FOR PITY. KINDLY KEEP THAT OUT OF IT.

however to simply say it's just a couple of words i think underestimates the power of language. granted you can stop reading and you can find another board which is all well and good but to just say oh well it's just words suck up and deal--you never know what someone's trigger is, and like i said before i at least personally am not looking for sweetness and light but a little honesty tempered with some adult reason might be nice.

i think people overestimate the lack of context on these boards as well. there's no behavioral cues here that could  possibly temper some of these posts/hijackings down a little. there's a lot of stuff here that can be construed in multiple ways and without being able to see say someone's facial response i might take something really serious as being hilariously funny or on the opposite take something as exceptionally rude and offensive when i might have thought it was funny with some body language thrown in so i could know what the intention was.

but meh.

i tend to ramble anyway.



You have valid points. But, regardless, there are some here that take offense to the sarcasm and some that see it as in good fun. Some laugh at ourselves and others take it all too seriously. I really hate when people play matyrs and victims. I also hate when the martyrs dont see any of their own resposibility in the lives they have created for themselves and see how everyone is out to get them but not that they are their own worse enemy. Some are there own worse enemy.

there are some that take so called personal attacks and say "poor me, everyone is out to get me". Then there are others, that try to grow and evolve that look at those attacks and say "ow, that hurt. what truth is there in that statement and how can i take this criticism and make constructive use of it"?

I never see myself as above it all. I am also submissive enough that if I get whipped and it stings, i try to evolve from it.

After that, I try to have some sarcsatic witty fun and think its a shame that all that can be lost here in a new police state.




laurell3 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 6:59:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ottRopesandKnots

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: ottRopesandKnots

The group I playfully refer to as the CollarMe Women's Auxilliary seem to feel most every thread is a welcome place for their insessant off topic chat with one another.



Otherwise known as the Bigmouth Submissive Collective - though you may avoid that particular group by joining more 'arrid' discussion threads. They tend to not frequent those as assiduously :-) .


Jeez....and you've made us have to PM each other instead, but its really hard to have jello wrestling in private one on one e-mail.[:D]


No, you're probably more than welcome to have your frivolous threads in the off topic/humour areas of the site.  The point is, your jello wrestling probably isn't appropriate while other people are trying to discuss issues relevant to the thread in question.


Actually I started the jello wrestling thing when a thread had deteriorated to the point that regular posters were exchanging personal slams in an attempt to point out how silly it was.  Up until recently when someone began running with the ball indiscriminately, that was usually the context.

I find it odd how personal people take these forums.  Get out and live life if the internet is that important, it's just pixels and people with ironic or sardonic senses of humor rarely intend it to be personal, although it's often interpreted that way here oddly. 

I agree it is inappropriate to hijack on purpose, however many other statements here I don't agree with.  This isn't a sewing circle, it's a bdsm board.  Flaming and making personal attacks are clearly against the TOS, however, saying others can't stick up for others or one must always be "nice" (whatever the hell that is) is ridiculous.  I'm fairly sure the vanilla public would say most of us are not "nice", is this really the standard you all are looking to impose?  Who decides what is nice?  When some moron comes on here posting their sub is "fake" because she won't do his 3 brothers (an example, but we've seen some equally ridiculous posts), you honestly believe we should all just pass "if we don't have anything nice to say"?  Please stop impersonating my mother, it's creeping me out! (shudder).




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:09:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: laurell3

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ORIGINAL: ottRopesandKnots

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: ottRopesandKnots

The group I playfully refer to as the CollarMe Women's Auxilliary seem to feel most every thread is a welcome place for their insessant off topic chat with one another.



Otherwise known as the Bigmouth Submissive Collective - though you may avoid that particular group by joining more 'arrid' discussion threads. They tend to not frequent those as assiduously :-) .


Jeez....and you've made us have to PM each other instead, but its really hard to have jello wrestling in private one on one e-mail.[:D]


No, you're probably more than welcome to have your frivolous threads in the off topic/humour areas of the site.  The point is, your jello wrestling probably isn't appropriate while other people are trying to discuss issues relevant to the thread in question.


Actually I started the jello wrestling thing when a thread had deteriorated to the point that regular posters were exchanging personal slams in an attempt to point out how silly it was.  Up until recently when someone began running with the ball indiscriminately, that was usually the context.

I find it odd how personal people take these forums.  Get out and live life if the internet is that important, it's just pixels and people with ironic or sardonic senses of humor rarely intend it to be personal, although it's often interpreted that way here oddly. 

I agree it is inappropriate to hijack on purpose, however many other statements here I don't agree with.  This isn't a sewing circle, it's a bdsm board.  Flaming and making personal attacks are clearly against the TOS, however, saying others can't stick up for others or one must always be "nice" (whatever the hell that is) is ridiculous.  I'm fairly sure the vanilla public would say most of us are not "nice", is this really the standard you all are looking to impose?  Who decides what is nice?  When some moron comes on here posting their sub is "fake" because she won't do his 3 brothers (an example, but we've seen some equally ridiculous posts), you honestly believe we should all just pass "if we don't have anything nice to say"?  Please stop impersonating my mother, it's creeping me out! (shudder).


Well the womens auxillary has to safe places now where nothing is off limits. I started a jello wrestling room as suggested and luscious's laughter lair. Its been fun.

You always make no nonsense points. I have always respected your maturity too. I think we have had a few go arounds. In the end, we both move on without hard feelings. it is just pixels.

i just wish others would learn to take all the comments in their proper context. Being grownups and saying "no hard feelings", is beyond many here.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:13:24 AM)

I just received an email on the other side that insulted my manhood a few different ways.  Oddly enough, though, it didn't say that my post was wrong.

Please feel free to report me.  I've never been perved by a Mod, and Zara's gotten me curious.





kdsub -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:13:31 AM)

I wonder who is complaining? Is the board loaded with crybabies that message a moderator when the discussion on their thread is not going the way they want?

If not the thread poster complaining then could it be the personal opinion of a moderator making an arbitrary decision… is there a higher authority.

I am not meaning to be disrespectful in any way… but like most people of our persuasion I am a strong willed adult that does not like being talking down to like a child.

Maybe I have it wrong and just by the very nature of this site the very weak need protecting from the strong. However I do find this hard to believe, I’ve seen no weaklings here.

Butch




RedMagic1 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:16:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
I wonder who is complaining? Is the board loaded with crybabies that message a moderator when the discussion on their thread is not going the way they want?

Apparently so.




laurell3 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:16:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I just received an email on the other side that insulted my manhood a few different ways.  Oddly enough, though, it didn't say that my post was wrong.

Please feel free to report me.  I've never been perved by a Mod, and Zara's gotten me curious.




Who? What? Where?  Come again?  [;)]




IrishMist -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:18:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I just received an email on the other side that insulted my manhood a few different ways.  Oddly enough, though, it didn't say that my post was wrong.

Please feel free to report me.  I've never been perved by a Mod, and Zara's gotten me curious.



Not a mod; but hell...I'll perv you...anyday [8D]




laurell3 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:19:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I’ve seen no weaklings here.

Butch


I see plenty, but I don't feel compelled to be their therapist.  I'm not suggesting that thread hijacking is appropriate, mind you, but all the other comments about being responsible for people's reactions to posts are just ridiculous fantasy.  Each of us is responsible for our own reactions and no one else.  Guys, honestly, get away from CM and the internet for awhile if you find it's "driving you into therapy" because it's clearly time for you to take a personal inventory when someone you don't know and never will know has that much control over your life and you have none.




Raechard -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:21:04 AM)

To no one in particular, I have to say that in order for the paranoia people have about being picked on goes away.
 
 
A distinct whiff of hypocrisy is present on this thread from all corners. The hijack is ok as long as you are doing it? I’ve always said it takes more than one person to change the direction of a thread and if the original idea behind the thread had merits people would only debate that. The people standing up for hijacking now are the same ones that have in the past accused others of hijacking in threads and therefore aided the thread hijack that they find so deplorable. I only respect those that act in a consistent manor you are either for such actions or against and there is little grey area I find. As for my belief: the topic can go in any direction and if you don’t like the direction a person is trying to take the topic then ignoring that person is the best option. Why do so few people do that?
 
 
I don’t even understand what a thread hijack is in truth, it would kind of imply you are holding everyone to ransom with a gun and they have to answer you when you say something stupid for whatever reason is going through your mind at the time. If you learn to ignore this then good for you.[:D]




kdsub -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:37:51 AM)

OK the site is free...but is it for the members or the moderators?

As many have said in the past a thread must stand on its worth. If it is interesting the discussion will stay focused if not then it either disappears or we have fun and the direction will change. It is a natural process that is part of the fun and should not be interfered with by heavy-handed moderation.

I will never run afoul of the hijack rule because I will either post on subject, or an offshoot, or not post at all. But I see nothing wrong with having fun…Remember a hijack is just another way to comment on the threads subject and can be ignored by others if they are not in agreement.

Butch  




KatyLied -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:43:10 AM)

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I wonder who is complaining? Is the board loaded with crybabies that message a moderator when the discussion on their thread is not going the way they want?


Yes, and they also message (unwanted) other posters in an attempt to convince them of the rightness of their views.  I've had more than a few occasions of posters emailing me, asking me how to deal with certain posters who had become a nuisance in emails. 




xxblushesxx -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:45:37 AM)

Even if the actual thread itself is interesting, it could (and almost always will) give way to other thoughts and ideas (as you said) as 'off shoots' of the original.
This is what is called a discussion.
It is normal.
And it doesn't bother me if something I've said brings up various other points in another's mind. This helps me to grow, and to see things from others' perspectives.

~Christina

p.s. I like chocolate.




fluffyswitch -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:45:55 AM)

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people keep throwing around the word nice...

there's a difference between being respectful and being nice. you can say the shittest thing to me you want and still be respectful, and actually that may have more of an effect. i don't think anyone is saying that we all hold hands and sing songs.




IrishMist -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:49:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

fast reply:

people keep throwing around the word nice...

there's a difference between being respectful and being nice. you can say the shittest thing to me you want and still be respectful, and actually that may have more of an effect. i don't think anyone is saying that we all hold hands and sing songs.


I don't OWE anyone respect. They earn that from me. And yes, there are posters on this board who have earned my respect and I always respond to them respectfully.

I don't OWE anyone courtesy. That is something that I give freely when the mood strikes me.

As for being nice. Fuck, I am not nice in real life; why would I pretend to be here?




kdsub -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:53:38 AM)

I don't think anyone needs to be nice or respectful... just reasonably polite… it bites more that way.

Said as an offshoot to the main discussion and in no way is meant as a hijack to the original thread.




fluffyswitch -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:56:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I don't think anyone needs to be nice or respectful... just reasonably polite… it bites more that way.

Said as an offshoot to the main discussion and in no way is meant as a hijack to the original thread.


i guess we're working off of different definitions of respectful--reasonably polite is respectful to me.

personally i don't feel indebted to anyone for anything--but i am sure as hell more likely to give you the time of day if you at least talk to me the way you would want someone to respond to you back in public, regardless if we are online or not.




laurell3 -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:56:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

fast reply:

people keep throwing around the word nice...

there's a difference between being respectful and being nice. you can say the shittest thing to me you want and still be respectful, and actually that may have more of an effect. i don't think anyone is saying that we all hold hands and sing songs.



Actually there are posters whose comments do indicate they expect the campfire rah rah routine and whether the word is "nice" or "respectful" or green beans, the sentiment is the same.  If one is getting their positive strokes or responding overly negatively to the internet one needs to take a look at how "they" (whom are totally unknown to them) are being allowed so much power over their lives.  A wise man once told me, there is no they, there is only you.




fluffyswitch -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 7:59:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

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ORIGINAL: fluffyswitch

fast reply:

people keep throwing around the word nice...

there's a difference between being respectful and being nice. you can say the shittest thing to me you want and still be respectful, and actually that may have more of an effect. i don't think anyone is saying that we all hold hands and sing songs.



Actually there are posters whose comments do indicate they expect the campfire rah rah routine and whether the word is "nice" or "respectful" or green beans, the sentiment is the same.  If one is getting their positive strokes or responding overly negatively to the internet one needs to take a look at how "they" (whom are totally unknown to them) are being allowed so much power over their lives.  A wise man once told me, there is no they, there is only you.


again with the personal intrigue!

i guess my feeling is that we don't know how much of a hold these posts really have. as a hypothetical i could be posting here just because it bothers me when i'm on here but don't think about it when i'm not online.

meh. i think what it comes down to for me personally is that this is so much  more interesting than the feminist theory i have to read that i already spent a semester dissecting...




kdsub -> RE: Thread Hijacking (2/2/2008 8:04:12 AM)

Yes laurell3 I agree with you...my island in the universe is the only true reality...the rest of you are just visions in my mind. I can change you as I see fit… then you will disappear when I cease to exist.




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