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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/7/2005 12:26:12 AM

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Master thinks and then states, "What was it again that you hated so much?", as he pulls out the nipple clamps and laughs like a mad man!

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/7/2005 12:43:39 AM

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You havnt felt anything untill you have have the clamps on when you are freshly pierced *o* man it hurts... thats when a slave will learn just to keep her mouth very tightly, locked with no key, no matter what, SHUT!!!!

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/7/2005 9:06:42 AM

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You can find ones that clamp really really well the moment you put them on, too, as my sub can attest. I use them on his dangling bits, and then wear them in my hair to work the next morning.

Yes have quite a few of those too. Also use this metal curtain clamp...that hurts. The idea behind the butterfly clamp was the slave was feisty that night and I knew she would make a smart comment which gave me a reason to leave it on and watch her suffer. It's wonderful being a bastard.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/7/2005 3:12:23 PM

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I used the Japanese clover clips on my Luvdragon once, and she was so sensitive that you could barely touch them without her jumping for about a month. Awesome! She's due to be recharged soon.....

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 12:48:04 AM

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I used the Japanese clover clips on my Luvdragon once, and she was so sensitive that you could barely touch them without her jumping for about a month. Awesome! She's due to be recharged soon.....

Ill have to tell my Master about those he'll love that idea...mmmm its fun when they are tender afterwards it makes it nice not to wear a bra and make Master little nipples all perky!

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 1:57:01 AM

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You know perhaps its just me cos Im inexperieced and extremely deviant and manipulative but dont any of you subs eva purposely manipulate your doms into hurting you more - or acutally making them do the thing the THINK you hate? Power play games are fun but its even more fun when they think they in control .. dont mind me Im famous for pushing buttons ... guess Im a real sucker for punishment or maybe I've just not been correclty beaten into proper submission yet - then again I like to push harder when I acutally get it right I neva back down - even if I need to take a moment to regain my pride from the punishment I'll still carry on - must every doms dream ha ha ha ha!

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 2:09:21 AM

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Manipulation in the way ou put it would the topping from below.
So, no.

There is such a ting as good manipulation - but what you descrived, would be disrespectful to myself and to the person I would be manipulating IMO.

I dont play that way.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 2:14:31 AM

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Ok I see your point but angel there is playing games and then there is being a lump of meat .. surely you can also get what you want by playing that's what they are doing after all? There can surely be no clear cut rules as you are both human and both demand the respect that comes with that! If my dom has thebrains to figure out my game then he can punsih me accordingly but its not disresepctful to have an ego and a bit of pride is it? Surely not!

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 2:51:35 AM

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If manipulations your thing - thats your thing. But theres manipulating to mould or there's manipulating to get what you want. If you want something, cant you just ask for it?

It might be a game for you and play and thats it. If thats so, then you may enjoy manipulating and if its ok with your don you do that, all well and good.

But I dont 'play' BDSM - some people don't. Its part of everyday life. In which case, If I want more and because I would be permitted, I ask. Its up to the dominant if I am to recieve though. If it wasn't then there would be no point in it IMO.

No, it's not disrespectful to have ego or pride. But they are not something I find attractive so I dont have use for them.
I have power, but thats a different kettle of fish altogether.... If you have power, you have no need to manipulate.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 4:07:59 AM

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That's a very intresting take on things .. you dont find pride attractive? I dunno that's odd I feel the need to be able to look at myself in the mirror everyday and like what I see I also dont see the point of letting some person rule over me .. I like to think for myself and have my own life I personally couldnt stand the though of living someone else's life - Im not critising you its just very intresting for me to find someone so willing to let another rule you .. I dont think there's anything wrong with manipulation its fun and just as much part of sex as anything else .. its just another power game .. dont you think when it stops being fun there is a border that has been crossed? I mean surely its about mutual respect, trust and making each other happy - I think where its become about a dom beating the shit outta you and making you cry in real pain then there is more than sex going on that is a psychological issue?I dunno mabye Im wrong thats how I see this whole thing?

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 4:29:31 AM

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That's a very intresting take on things .. you dont find pride attractive? I dunno that's odd I feel the need to be able to look at myself in the mirror everyday and like what I see I also dont see the point of letting some person rule over me .. I like to think for myself and have my own life I personally couldnt stand the though of living someone else's life - Im not critising you its just very intresting for me to find someone so willing to let another rule you .. I dont think there's anything wrong with manipulation its fun and just as much part of sex as anything else .. its just another power game .. dont you think when it stops being fun there is a border that has been crossed? I mean surely its about mutual respect, trust and making each other happy - I think where its become about a dom beating the shit outta you and making you cry in real pain then there is more than sex going on that is a psychological issue?I dunno mabye Im wrong thats how I see this whole thing?

I do not find selfpride attractive no. I am powerful without pride. If I am beautiful to a person - what does that mean? Nothing. Am I beautiful to myself - that is what matters. But pride in what one has is powerless by itself. It is what one has is by itself, which is powerful.

Everyone has a personality. If one is objectified, then one can lose ones personality, but that could be for someone a way of getting into that 'head space' to be that which they are. It isnt about rule at all. I am sure, for some, it may be, but it isnt about rule for me. Its about being myself. Its about being given the freedom to be.

Manipulation isnt wrong in itself if it is already agreed upon. Some dominants may like to be manipulated and if thats so, then there are of course subs and slaves and bottom who can assist with that. But non consensual manipulation isnt productive. It becomes boring, for me at least. Continuous manipulation just becomes repeatative - even in different scenarios its the same old thing.

Not all BDSM is about sex and getting 'what you want. Some is psycological. Some some is spiritual. Your not wrong in seeing it a set way, but it can become an issue if you assume everyone must practise BDSM in the same way to you. It is always the wisest to be open to knowing and discovery and less healthy to refuse differences. If manipulation is ok for you and your dom, then go with the flow and be true to yourselves. But know that for different people, everything - even the way something feels and the sensations it brings - is not the same as your sensations.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 4:44:00 AM

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I do not find selfpride attractive no. I am powerful without pride. If I am beautiful to a person - what does that mean? Nothing. Am I beautiful to myself - that is what matters. But pride in what one has is powerless by itself. It is what one has is by itself, which is powerful

.. but Angel surely what you are saying here is contradicting yourself. Lemme explain firstly it would seem that you need your dom to give you a feeling of power? Thats not power that is a psychological needing of acceptance and having one person who accepts you and you therefore allow him to do whateva he wants to you .. secondly self pride is power when you love yourself and accept yourself no one can beat that outta you ... you cant say having self pride is having pride in what you have that is just silly .. humans must have an ego to survive and to be functional people and to have an ego one must have pride in oneself and ones abilities and talents ...

rememba most of all "true love is not needing someone but wanting someone" in other words if you are with someone cos you need them then its not love, thats dependancy and dependancy means you struggel with to find your own pride and your inner self ...

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/8/2005 8:40:00 AM

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.. but Angel surely what you are saying here is contradicting yourself. Lemme explain firstly it would seem that you need your dom to give you a feeling of power? Thats not power that is a psychological needing of acceptance and having one person who accepts you and you therefore allow him to do whateva he wants to you ..

I never said I needed a dominant to give me a feeling of power. This is how you interpreted my words - which is cool, because we can discuss it! I said that it was not necessary to for someone to be thought of as beautiful by anyone because it doesnt matter what others think.
Because I have the power of beauty, does not mean I should be proud of it, but I should cherish it as a gift.
If I ignore it, it will fade.
If I take pride in it for selfish means, it will not shine so brightly and it becomes concentrated only on the Iam - not the Iwill.
One whom is beautiful yet does not parade it with pride is a more attractive person. I have the power of beauty, but it would be wasted on selfish, prideful escapades and grow into something unwelcome and ugly.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and for each - beheld differently.

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secondly self pride is power when you love yourself and accept yourself no one can beat that outta you ... you cant say having self pride is having pride in what you have that is just silly ..

I believe that it could just be that you misunderstand me - which is a natural occurence on forums. What you describe as pride, I would call self worth - so - I understand the concept of self worth - I guess it is just a difference in word definitions.
Pride to me is selfish and about what one has now. But we all know that what we have is fleeting and never assured. Pride takes for granted only the present. Self worth is aware of the past, present and the future - and is part of beauty.

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humans must have an ego to survive and to be functional people and to have an ego one must have pride in oneself and ones abilities and talents ...

I cannot comment totally on this without knowing what you define as 'ego'
Some view it as purely self esteem.
Some, as conceit.
However you look at ego, however - I do not believe that a person 'needs' to have an ego to survive. I believe that people can survive without ego - and can function - just in a different way.

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rememba most of all "true love is not needing someone but wanting someone" in other words if you are with someone cos you need them then its not love, thats dependancy and dependancy means you struggel with to find your own pride and your inner self ...

Again - If that is how you view true love - more power to you. But it is not etched in stone and each person is different. To me, true love is pure - nothing more - nothing less.
I agree that it is not healthy to just 'need' someone - which is something we agree on I disagree that dependancy means one has no pride. Pride is something many people have - some of who are very dependant on something.

I prefere to function without pride - it works for me. I have power in who and what I am, I dont need a sense of 'pride' to tell me that and reassure me - now to me, thats a crutch I would not desire. I am totally happy knowing I have power and that when I submit, I do so because its what I am and who I am. Not down to my pride.

Love is power - and having it is power. Whether one is religious or not (and only believe it as a story) - Jesus contained the greatest love of all - and He contained no pride, yet functioned with perfection.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/9/2005 12:12:45 AM

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Well... there we were on the flogging line, only a few of us left from the initial 20 or so submissives and slaves, determined to Not let our hands fall from the line because that meante we were 'out' of the game. As all Them Happy Flogger-type Dom/mes worked Their Magic on our backs, asses, legs, nipples i noted that One in particulier who i have known since the first play party i ever attended, made me worry that sooner rather than later, i would drop those hands because i did not think i could take much more. He is Very strong and when He whacks, He whacks!
As He flog and flog this ones behind in one place (always the same frikken place too dangit), i never stop to think before the words came out.... Sir, dont You have somewhere else to go?
i groaned right after the words left my big mouth. Why the heck did i say that! i never say things like that. Quite understandably, He invited Another over and together They flogged me really hard then and god knows that i sure deserved it too!
i did not drop the hands and was one of the last 2 standing when play was called and the game declared over! But it was close.... very close. And a lesson was learned that this girl, will Not soon forget. The 'gag' begins in the head first.
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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/9/2005 12:52:24 AM

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Okay then angel desribe to me what power is to you .. with all due respect it seems to me that you are talking in cirlces and not reaching a point or making much sense .. come on girl Im tryna discuss this with you .. speak to me in meanings not in cloudy words then I can clarify ...

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/9/2005 1:50:28 AM

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Ah - A Perfect Circle...

It is difficult if you cannot understand my words as I cannot alter them, because that just wouldn't be me then.

All I can see is that you use a different interpretations for words than I - and thats where your misunderstanding lies. Cultural differences - age - everything has an influence on interpretations.

I do not trust pride - simple as that really. Doesnt make a person needy or powerless when one doesn't have it.

Anyway - this is a different thread altogether from the one started and if you want to discuss ego or pride, you may want to begin a different thread. I am not in the habit of hijacking anothers thread and will not be drawn into it here - so apology to the OP.

Dr24 - I can see your new to the site - if you do a search, it shows previously discussed threads if you use a key word. There is a really good thread here you might want to look at if you desire -

Manipulation positive/negative.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/9/2005 2:12:46 AM

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Just wanted to say that I thought the questions/ideas that Dr24 bought up were interesting, and wanted to reply, but I agree with dark~angel that it needs a new thread. Or perhaps several? Power, Pride, Manipulation (in the way Dr24 was suggesting) ... all far more interesting than some of the other General threads at the moment.

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RE: What was I thinking? - 9/11/2005 5:07:50 PM

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You know perhaps its just me cos Im inexperieced and extremely deviant and manipulative but dont any of you subs eva purposely manipulate your doms into hurting you more - or acutally making them do the thing the THINK you hate?

I guess for me it depends on whether it is during a playful scene or not. During a scene I might get playful and try to push the boundaries or make him laugh, or give him an excuse to "punish" but I consider that a form of brat play and we are clear that it's a game and we are both enjoying it.

Manipulating outside of that sort of role play is common enough when a sub is new, as you say you are, and often is just part of a testing period, or a product of inexperience. It might be a pride thing, as you mention (as was often with me at first, so I can relate). Sometimes it's a sign of lack of trust in the dom.

There are people out there who pride themselves on being SAMs (smart-assed masochists) and like that dynamic. There are many doms who appreciate that, and many who don't. If that's the case, the key is to find someone who enjoys your unique personality and style.

No right way or wrong way, as they say...Do what you love with others who love what you do!!

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