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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/3/2008 2:57:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

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Personally I object to the whole notion of "weakness" being "unhealthy" or "wrong". Its a western concept born from a culture that worships strength and independence and views the opposites as being somehow bad.

I want to thank you for pointing this out. We do in the main, acording to what we commonly agree upon as Western culture, think in the world of opposites. good v bad, strong v weak. Even Dom v sub or mMster v slave.

It is of course not meaningless to speak of being a Master if one has no slave(s). And it is indeed also not without meaning to think of being a slave if one has no Master. But each is a part of a whole that when unied completes the other.
Research now shows that the heart does indeed have intelligence, different from, but as profound in its implications, as does the brain.
www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2006/01/10/can_transplanted_organs_also_transplant_the_donors_personality.htm

www.med.unc.edu/wellness/main/links/cellular%20memory.htm

www.ynhh.org/cardiac/stories/gelderman.html

and that there is a psychology, (indeed many schoold www.sol.com.au/kor/20_02.htm) in our western culture that is indeed attempting to encompass what the tantrics and Buddhists have known for millenia.

To speak of an 'open' heart means to speak of openess to new experiences, openess to connections beyond the physical and indeed the openess to the needs, wants, desires and yes, dare i say it, love of others.

i feel when i think with my heart. It is physical and yet mental and is a consciousness which is some of the one and some of the other. i can say i am moved to tears, or broken hearted, aching or excited, over burdened with grief, and indeed many more expressions which combine language in both a physical and mental form; it is the laguage of the heart and the language of a complex chemistry.

deep breathing, relax, master is out there somewhere and yes it is 24/7 no matter where He is in relationship to me/ nd try as i might to kck off against Him, and to leave and or to deny, it is as futile as trying to stop my own heart from beating.

That doesn't mean to say i don't still have a mind of my own or a will of my own. Mind and will power simply feel as if they eminate from am altogether different place within me.

And in so far as Masters' hearts and Slaves' hearts are reconciliations of opposites, yes i would say it is also a spiritual path.

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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/3/2008 3:04:56 PM

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For my circle, finding your 'slave heart' means that you've acknowledged you have found a spiritual path through fufilling service to a Master. For most others, the spiritual part is dropped. Fulfillment through being a slave with or without spirituality is the common factor. You might be interested to read Heart of slave and Heart of Master here.

http://www.arizonapowerexchange.org/academy.html

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Dear Master Fire: Thank you for this. I have added it to my favorites.

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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/3/2008 3:46:02 PM

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Is it the most profound display of love they can display toward another? What is meant by the phrase that he/she has a slave's heart?

Now THIS is a great thread. A slave's heart. It is SO HARD to put into words. But you know it when you feel it.
I think you said it best when you said it is the most profound display of love. However, I think the display involves more than that. I is indicative of one's honor, loyalty, self-confidence, and desire to "give." We can "love" just about anyone, really. I love my friends, my family, some constituents. But it is that "something" that goes much deeper than that. A need to give all you can...and be truly endeared for it.
A slave's heart. I know there is a growing number out there. But the number that one Dominant will come across in a lifetime are few. I just don't think I can put it into words. It is that deep, to me.
And to the slave's I've had, and have, they know how deep I feel about this.....a slave's heart.

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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/3/2008 6:59:11 PM

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I wrote an essay entitled "A Slave's Heart", which I think is still around here somewhere.

As for slaves and submissives operating from strength... that's one of those idyllic blanket statements that simply isn't true. You could say that some operate from a place of strength, and that would be true. But it is also true that some operate from a place of weakness. In my own experience, more operate from weakness than from strength.

Personally I object to the whole notion of "weakness" being "unhealthy" or "wrong". Its a western concept born from a culture that worships strength and independence and views the opposites as being somehow bad. The truth is human beings are social creatures and we are all interdependent to some degree... we all need others. Try running a business entirely by yourself... if you want it to grow you will need people. You'll also need customers, more people. You'll need suppliers... still more people. Same thing if you live anywhere... you need people... because someone else grows the food you eat, generates the electricity you use, provides all those services and products you consume... you simply can't survive on your own. People need people... most of us would likely die if we were alone... and I mean literally die, you wouldn't be able to physically provide for yourself without other people to help you.

It's unfortunate that western culture attaches so much shame to service, to any form of dependency on others, to "weakness". Why should there be any shame in being of service to another? Yet often there is. There's also the entire philosophical debate of just what being "strong" or "weak" really means in our modern culture. Is someone stronger because they are physically stronger... and is that still relevant in a world that is heavily dependent on intellect? Are they weaker because they have a lower paying job? Are they stronger because they are better educated? Are they weaker because they work for someone else? Are they stronger because they have more free time? Weaker because they drive an inexpensive car? Stronger because they have a bigger house? Weaker because they are more reliant on others? What exactly constitutes strength and weakness in our world... and are those concepts still valid or even relevant to the world we actually live in?

My point, to sum up, is that we ought to examine some of the ideas we carry with us. Within this "lifestyle" we find some who wish to control and others who wish to be controlled. Why they want those things comes from a variety of reasons and motivations. Of that myriad of motivations, we should also examine what is truly healthy or unhealthy, rather than blindly relying on ideals that may no longer apply.

God I love reading what you have to write. I never can understand why nobody has a comment for it. Well put Pad!! Well thought out, well defined, absolutetly eloquent. Thank you for the read.

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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/4/2008 7:56:21 PM

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for me personally it is solely about pleasing my Owner which does make me happy.

i am 100% His and for the longest time i dont think He ever realized it because it's not a topic that We ever discuss. However last night prior to scening the topic came up unexpectedly, me naked in front of Him blindfolded, and Him walking about the room, I felt Him stop in front of me and He said the only thing He worries about is my heart because He knows that i'm in this with Him way to deep, knows that He is my world and i would be completely lost w/o Him and for the first time in five years it made me realize that He really does understand me, and knows that i want this with Him.

i want to please Him, there isn't a damn thing in the world i wouldn't do for Him and He knows it but, He's never taken advantage, He's never abused me, and He's never used His control to hurt me in anyway and i know He never will. Emotionally one day that may change but, when is unknown and His happiness is what i want so in some unknown way when that change occurs i'll have to accept it but He went on stating that no matter what, He would never withdraw communication because to Him that would just be cruel and unfair considering everything that We have both put into this....

So in every way but one, my heart as His slave is protected and to me, everything that We have been through, and everything that i have learned and gone through as His slave makes it worth it not to mention, He will always be apart of my life whether D's related or not and no one will come between that friendship. They couldn't......

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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/4/2008 9:42:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: Veryleggyredhead

I often see references being made to slaves within the lifestyle
having no choice in what they do. Some state that this is
for them a 24/7 endeavor. What motivates a slave to completely
relinquish control?

For me, it's about knowing my nature which is to experience and explore regardless of the consequence to my physical or mental well-being. Having someone in my life who will drawn some lines around me helps me to experience in a positive manner rather than a destructive manner. I think, in part, it stems from my inability to see what is often quite obvious to other people but to me just looks like something that is new and different and I want to try it all before I die. I also have a willingness to pay a higher than average risk to benefit cost so having someone who is a bit more cautious is a way to help keep things balanced.

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I think not as I feel that both submissives and slaves operate from strength, and not weakness.

It's not an either/or type of thing. Sometimes I'm the epitome of strength and fortitude, sometimes I feel like breaking down and sucking my thumb and just being a big baby. ::grins: We're, all of us, human and the bell curve runs through most of us most of the time. I have my moments of insight and brillance and my moments of bone-jarring ineptitude and everything in between. The problem with boxes is that most of the time humans just don't fit very well into them.

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Is it the most profound display of love they can display toward another?

How do you quantify a thing like love? I love as much as I am capable of loving because, I believe, that is the nature of love.

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What is meant by the phrase that he/she has a slave's heart?

That's one of those things which is personal and subjective. Whatever 'you' think it means is what it means. If you don't believe it means anything, then it doesn't. What it means to me doesn't matter to anyone but me and those with whom I share a relationship.

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RE: A Slave's Heart - 2/5/2008 1:33:38 AM

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The motivations for people in this lifestyle are really varied, as it with any other thing in life. True there are those that wish to serve with their whole heart, mind, body and soul out of love. There are those that simply want to become loveless fuckmeat, there are those that simply willing to do whatever to it takes to be taken care of and have roof over their heads.

People choose careers because they love the type of work they do, some people pick careers just because of the money. Some people pick a career because they simply needed some kind of job. They really don't love their work, nor care about getting rich.

Why does anybody do what they do?

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