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Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 9:33:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary Clinton now state that she as president may garish the wages of worker, who do not buy her health plan to pay for pay for it anyway.  Her goal is seem is to have all Americans not only covered by her idea of a Universal Health Insureance and have you pay for it regardless if you want it or not.  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp
 

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 9:40:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seems like to me that the only difference is that she doesn't want you to go to jail this time as compared to last time.   Or is that in there and I missed it someplace?

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 10:51:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		health care is a beat teh dead horse issue.

it wont fly.   best to sleek the med system....  insurance is legal gambling.  the policy holder gambles tragdet will happen- teh ins co bets that it wont.


as usual the house wins.  those tall buildings get paid for somehow.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 11:05:41 AM   
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health care is a beat teh dead horse issue.

it wont fly.   best to sleek the med system....  insurance is legal gambling.  the policy holder gambles tragdet will happen- teh ins co bets that it wont.


as usual the house wins.  those tall buildings get paid for somehow.


I disagree.  There is no gamble to it.   the current medical system lets the HMO's decide with their clerical staff what you get treated for.   Doesn't much matter what you need or want.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 11:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to see health care without the gambling. As far as taking it out of people's paychecks, the amount taken should be adjusted according to income. Maybe taxes already paid could be redistributed without any tax increase.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 11:36:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Universal healthcare will lead to soaring costs, a government that cant control fraud, and put a massive strain on the US economy.

The US is a capitalist country. This means all sectors of the economy is supposed to be controlled and maintained by market forces (with the federal reserve managing the flow of money and rate of expansion). Putting the entire healthcare sector under the control of the government will result in a massive disaster.
We are not socialist. And when we try to be it ends up being a mess. Medicare is loaded with fraud that the government cant keep up with or control. Hospitals are billing the government $10 for a band-aid and medicare will pay it. Doctors see a patient on medicare or medicaid and he has no problem charging a higher rate. And the government lacks the ability and resources to follow up on each and every bill.
If the government cannot control fraud in Medicare (which is government healthcare for mostly the elderly). How can you expect them to control fraud with 300 million people in the system?

And you think with government healthcare that you suddenly have control over your healthcare? Think again. The government will be picking your doctor. Instead of the HMOs making decisions, the government will be making your decisions. People who have massive health issues will run up medical bills into the millions while people who live a healthy lifestyle and no medical problems will still be punished with outrageous taxes.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 12:24:13 PM   
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Universal healthcare will lead to soaring costs, a government that cant control fraud, and put a massive strain on the US economy.

The US is a capitalist country. This means all sectors of the economy is supposed to be controlled and maintained by market forces (with the federal reserve managing the flow of money and rate of expansion). Putting the entire healthcare sector under the control of the government will result in a massive disaster.
We are not socialist. And when we try to be it ends up being a mess. Medicare is loaded with fraud that the government cant keep up with or control. Hospitals are billing the government $10 for a band-aid and medicare will pay it. Doctors see a patient on medicare or medicaid and he has no problem charging a higher rate. And the government lacks the ability and resources to follow up on each and every bill.
If the government cannot control fraud in Medicare (which is government healthcare for mostly the elderly). How can you expect them to control fraud with 300 million people in the system?

And you think with government healthcare that you suddenly have control over your healthcare? Think again. The government will be picking your doctor. Instead of the HMOs making decisions, the government will be making your decisions. People who have massive health issues will run up medical bills into the millions while people who live a healthy lifestyle and no medical problems will still be punished with outrageous taxes.


But it would be such a great new government depoartment   ROFL

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 12:33:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

Hillary Clinton now state that she as president may garish the wages of worker, who do not buy her health plan to pay for pay for it anyway.  Her goal is seem is to have all Americans not only covered by her idea of a Universal Health Insureance and have you pay for it regardless if you want it or not.  

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp
 
 
"Also Sunday, Clinton said she might be willing to have workers' wages garnisheed if they refuse to buy health insurance."

"Obama has said he would require parents to buy health insurance for children, and possibly fine them if they refused, but he would not insist that all adults buy insurance."

Both of those quotes were taken from the same article. I find it interesting that this thread was presented with the idea that only Clinton was touching upon this idea.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 12:45:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe because forced 100% enrollment by any means, and having parents take care of their children's health care are two entirely different things?

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 12:50:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		It cant go anywhere. it blowing into  to wind.  lets take a widget- made far away. the workers didnt pay for the infastruture to make it...not in the least. in fact teh management probaly got welfare to outsource it.  the parties did not pay fed state or local tax, fica or medicare.   so there it is.  

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 12:57:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Isn't it wonderful.  Let all do what Govt wants, without regard to our needs and desires.  I am not saying that healthcare isn't a problem.   Hell my medical bills last year jumped by about $3,500 (my co-pay share).  And yes I do have medical for life.   I just don't think it is the responsibility of Govt to set personal mandates.   Doesn't matter if it is healh care or some of the other evils of the world.   Seems like another drive to make us socialistic.   But that is just my opinion.

Oh and at one point in my life, I was over 3/4 million dollars in debt with govt insurance becasue it decided to retroactively disallow expenses that it had previously authorized for the care of my kids (I was in the Army at the time).  Fortunately the Hosp didn't force me to file bankruptcy, they knew I wasn't going to be able to pay it so they just wrote it off

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 1:04:49 PM   
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Well it has put a strain on the UK economy, but no more than housing and education has.Yet its worked pretty well for 50 years or more. What is wrong with the idea of a system where everyone pays an equal percentage of salary into a system that benefits all. Its easy enough to have watchdogs checking the bills hospitals send in. As for the idea of insurance, what do you do if you have a bad car accident, or some other health problem, and the costs excede your insurance allowance.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 2:30:02 PM   
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I'd like to see health care without the gambling. As far as taking it out of people's paychecks, the amount taken should be adjusted according to income. Maybe taxes already paid could be redistributed without any tax increase.



Lol. And maybe pigs can fly as well.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 2:53:54 PM   
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Well it has put a strain on the UK economy, but no more than housing and education has.Yet its worked pretty well for 50 years or more. What is wrong with the idea of a system where everyone pays an equal percentage of salary into a system that benefits all. Its easy enough to have watchdogs checking the bills hospitals send in. As for the idea of insurance, what do you do if you have a bad car accident, or some other health problem, and the costs excede your insurance allowance.


Although I think percentages of things are equal it is like the value added tax.  YOu will have tons of people running around saying "It isn't fair to the poor."   YOu have to remember that there are a great number of people that believe that Robin Hood is running the Govt   "Take from the rich and give tothe poor"

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 4:02:53 PM   
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The US is a capitalist country. This means all sectors of the economy are supposed to be controlled and maintained by market forces (with the federal reserve managing the flow of money and rate of expansion). Putting the entire healthcare sector under the control of the government will result in a massive disaster.

Agriculture, military, include contracts for hardware from boots to bombs, interstate highways, civil engineering infrastructure in general, schools, teachers, state universities, libraries,protectionism when it suits eg steel a few tears ago. NASA , massive subsidies for oil exploration , financial underpinning of the private  financial system when it "screws up" eg the Savings and Loan debacle a few years ago etc etc etcetera.

For unrestrained free enterprise at work see the damage that the "credit crunch" has done to the world economy. Is it expected that any of the crooks who sold off packages containing literally billions of dollars "worth" of valueless loans is to be prosecuted ?

How do poor people who require expensive and long lasting medical treatment fit in. No money,? market says no  profit therefore no interest.

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RE: Hillary Clinton and Health Care - 2/3/2008 5:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hillary Clinton will say anything on the health care issue because it's a hot-button subject right now; it's something the voters will respond to. Look through the propaganda, though, to the facts. Hillary's campaign is taking a lot of contributions from health care insurers, so Mrs. Clinton's position on the issue is suspect. Also, the Dems lack a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate, so even if she put forth the legislation, the votes aren't there for the bill to pass. It's just election-year hoopla, unfortunately. 

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