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My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 10:23:43 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		I noticed this morning while enjoying my coffee that my neighbor had a new 57 inch plasma TV hanging on their wall. When he and I met each other in the parking lot of the apartment complex I complimented him on it. He said; "Yeah, it really is something; digital picture, surround sound, the works! The bitch is I just got a new job and will be going out of town a lot and can't enjoy it. In fact, I'm leaving today for a 3 week trip. Take care!"

This got me thinking. Sure there was nothing wrong with my 27 inch TV. I could see everything I wanted. It had a great picture. But damn, it just didn't serve my needs! This weekend the Football season starts. I'd love to see the games on that plasma. I want to see what it's like to watch a game on a plasma screen. I've never had that experience before.

Then I remembered my neighbor gave me his extra key for his apartment. While he's gone I'm just going over there and use the TV. I'll sit in his nice lounge chair, enjoy the game. It won't hurt anything. I think it's better that the TV get used. If something goes wrong with it will be under warranty.

So I go over there on football weekend, use the TV, sit in the chair, and even have a beer or two from the fridge. I got a little excited when my team scored but the spill wasn't that big. When my neighbor came home, he never noticed. I heard him say he's leaving again just in time for the World Series - maybe I'll even invite some friends over this time. That TV sure is GREAT and I bet it just loves to be used in the manner it was intended.

OK - So this didn't really happen. In fact, the only truth to the story is that I was out on the deck this morning having coffee. beth was commenting on the thread that at first was regarding a safe-call, but it then got into a totally different tangent because the OP disclosed she was married. The thread then morphed into a debate of whether anyone should judge her for seeking something outside her marriage that her husband either couldn't or wouldn't provide.

Well beth came up with the TV scenario. Would anyone here justify or rationalize the behavior of the person in the story? Yet, if you replace plasma TV with your neighbor's spouse there seems to be a great many who would rationalize and accept that the person should be able to "borrow" his neighbor's spouse if he/she wasn't experiencing a sensation that his/her current spouse could provide. Or if his/her spouse wasn't good enough or couldn't satisfy him/her it is okay to become an enabler and assist them in doing so. I guess you'd all be there to watch the World Series.

Why is that?
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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 11:48:22 AM   
domtimothy46176


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Status: offline 		I think, based on some of the posts I've read, that it would be okay as long as the tv asked you to come over and watch it.
Timothy

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 11:52:48 AM   
Orbital


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Status: offline 		You also have to remember that he has probably already had many TVs and, somewhere in his head, intends to get another one someday.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 12:01:49 PM   
MistressFire70


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Status: offline 		If you bought your neighbor a plant, there'd be a legit reason for you to be over there...watering the plant, of course. And, as we all know, plants grow better with sound playing. So what if it likes sports?


Ummm...was that on topic?

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 12:18:49 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Okay, I give up
Let's all go over to our out of town neighbors house and watch their plasma TV and play in their dungeon.
Or is use of their dungeon furniture "over the line" and too personal?

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 12:24:43 PM   
MsIncognito


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Status: offline 		Nowhere did I see mention of the TV consenting to being used in the manner it was intended.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 12:24:44 PM   
MemphisDsCouple


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quote:

ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176

I think, based on some of the posts I've read, that it would be okay as long as the tv asked you to come over and watch it.
Timothy



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ORIGINAL: Orbital

You also have to remember that he has probably already had many TVs and, somewhere in his head, intends to get another one someday.



lmao

You guys got me chucklin' pretty good.

Hey Merc, I'll go ya another one.

'Bout 10 months ago I ran across a kink group in my area. Their "mission statement"/description said they focus on people new to bdsm. Had an email list. Had play parties. I signed on. Damn man, I never made the first function before a subject comes up in the email list and the group "owner" says she's there to "facilitate" (her word) married people lookin' for kink on the side.

The plain truth is.... I was stunned. But I took a couple deep breaths and dealt with it. There it was in black and white. That's what she said.

Well..... after explaining (like it needs to be explained) that all the bs about "trust" is just that - bs - if you're going to condone and even "facilitate" deception and dishonesty, and after sending my opinion to the email list of her qualifications to lead people new to bdsm, I dropped my membership in that group. I'm sure she and the marrieds as well as the people foolin' around with the marrieds were glad to see me go.

But I realized something. You can make all the sense in the world. The unassailable fact that if a person is dishonest, then they are not trustworthy will stand forever. It can not be successfully denied, it can not be torn down. At the same time, the people who wear blinders by virtue of their own choice will continue to wear those blinders and ignore this plain, unassailable logic.

The people who want to watch that tv more than they want to be honest will keep on sneakin' over there an' spillin' beer on the poor neighbor's carpet and keep right on smiling and waving to him like he's their best buddy whenever he's back in town. I dunno how they sleep and look in the mirror. Ya gotta ask them.

Those who value integrity, forthrightness, morality..... we take note and we pick our friends. And we speak up. Just as you're doing now.

I haven't heard, but as far as I know - that group is alive and well and cheating their brains out every weekend.




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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 12:37:14 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Ms I: Nowhere did I see mention of the TV consenting to being used in the manner it was intended.


Ms I,
The TV was a no limits slave and didn't have any consensual rights. It was a "plug & play" model slave/TV.

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Memphis: I haven't heard, but as far as I know - that group is alive and well and cheating their brains out every weekend.

The lack of a "serious" response was a response.

To my knowledge no group I've ever been a part of required spousal consent or verified marital status of the attendees. In fact, my response to the OP referred would be to contact TES in NYC and set up a safe call through their resources. I've been on that call list in the past. There is a group in LA that will do perform the same function for you. It seems to me one key reason for needed this would be the situation of the cheating spouse.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 2:36:04 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		Hell Merc,
I just have to know. Have you collared that TV yet? Does it play in the dungeon and what sort of play are you doing with it? I guess needle plan, electro play and water sports would be out, but maybe a good old fashion flogging might be fun.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 2:39:58 PM   
MsIncognito


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Status: offline 		My apologies. I didn't realize there were slaves who operate in that manner. The impression I get is that the majority of slaves are only no limits /plug and play with their Masters, not everyone who happens to wander in calling themselves a Master. Is Beth a slave to everyone who calls themselves master or does she need your permission to 'plug anad play' with others?

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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Ms I: Nowhere did I see mention of the TV consenting to being used in the manner it was intended.


Ms I,
The TV was a no limits slave and didn't have any consensual rights. It was a "plug & play" model slave/TV.


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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 2:41:20 PM   
darkinshadows


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Ach - enough of these modern TVs - I remember the old days were the best. Those old guard Black and whites where the best - totally reliable and less buttons to push, and you had to warm up the valves before the action started. Mind you - I rememeber the times before we had a TV.... those were the days...

Peace and Love

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 2:42:54 PM   
MsIncognito


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Status: offline 		With all due respect it's obvious you've never interacted with a plasma TV before. They're the hot house flowers of televisions. They're sleek, bold, the latest in technology, they hang on the wall daintily and they would *never* ever consent to any of the activities you're suggesting. They merely look pretty as they bestow their gift of high definition upon you. (plus they like to be dusted gently twice a week).

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ORIGINAL: IronBear
Hell Merc,
I just have to know. Have you collared that TV yet? Does it play in the dungeon and what sort of play are you doing with it? I guess needle plan, electro play and water sports would be out, but maybe a good old fashion flogging might be fun.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 3:01:52 PM   
Blk4u2


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Status: offline 		I always seem to check back in time to catch the interesting threads. About a year ago I met a couple who wanted to get together for some fun. At the time I was just realy looking into the lifestyle, and the couple wanted another dominant male to use her, while he video taped and helped direct her. I agreed and we met up. He had a seemingly bottomless bag of toys that i used on her (including clothes pins) :). Anyway the day went well, and we got to her favorite part, the sex. When we were done, and i gave her permission to take off her blindfold, we started a discussion. Where in I come to find out that she was married, not to him, but to some unsuspecting individual. Apparently so was he, and they had been carrying this one for quite some time. I felt a little bad about what I had been apart of, but eventually came to realise that I did not know the whole situation.

I do not know that if I was in whatever situation either one was in, that I would not do the same. They seemed to have a deep love and understanding of each other, but felt bound to their respective families and spouses. Some deep desire, or emptiness has caused them to do this. Is it right ? I do not think it is for any of us to judge or rationalise. I believe that if you do not want to be around it, do as Memphis did, and leave the situation.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 3:03:56 PM   
EmeraldSlave2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Well beth came up with the TV scenario. Would anyone here justify or rationalize the behavior of the person in the story? Yet, if you replace plasma TV with your neighbor's spouse there seems to be a great many who would rationalize and accept that the person should be able to "borrow" his neighbor's spouse if he/she wasn't experiencing a sensation that his/her current spouse could provide. Or if his/her spouse wasn't good enough or couldn't satisfy him/her it is okay to become an enabler and assist them in doing so. I guess you'd all be there to watch the World Series.

Why is that?


It would depend on my neighbor. I house sit for a lot of people locally so we're used to me being in their house and using their things. However, if they weren't aware I'd be in their house or if I didn't have an open door policy with them, I'd consider it an invasion of privacy.


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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 3:52:29 PM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		While you're watching that new TV, don't forget to check out that new hit reality show:

"Honest, You're Really Not Your Brother's Keeper"


edit: meant to be a general reply, not to ES2 in particular.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 4:23:47 PM   
WickedKev


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Status: offline 		Whatever happened to live and let live? I don't judge tv's they what they are, and just because mine is a broken down 29in Hitachi where the picture doesn't even fit the screen and you have to hit the remote button 3 times for it to change channel and the sounds goes in and out like the tide. Well if it was unfaithful to me my only question would be did you enjoy it.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 4:31:45 PM   
darkinshadows


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Ach - all TVs are bullshit anyway - arent they?

Peace and Love

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 4:38:13 PM   
LadiesBladewing


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Status: offline 		Actually--it would be ok if the TV asked you to come watch it -and- the neighbor knew and welcomed you or specifically told you it was ok..

Oh, and you'd better double-check with the beer about whether it wants to be consumed, much less, spilled. Spilling is a hard limit for some beer, and has been listed as alcohol abuse several times. *grins*

Lady Zephyr

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ORIGINAL: domtimothy46176

I think, based on some of the posts I've read, that it would be okay as long as the tv asked you to come over and watch it.
Timothy


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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 4:53:18 PM   
Aileen68


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Status: offline 		My my my...and so it continues. And all I wanted was to know was how to contact my satellite company in case I lost my picture.

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RE: My Neighbor's TV - 9/7/2005 4:54:54 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Okay, maybe you'll take this problem more seriously.

I just need to experience the joys of vanilla sex. I've heard it can be VERY exciting and strangely fulfilling in some strange way. I've discussed this with my slave and although she's tried to provide vanilla sex, it's just not good. she really doesn't have her heart in it.

Do you think I should find a vanilla woman behind her back or should I involve her in the process of finding one? I already know it doesn't matter if the vanilla woman is married or not.

"EM"

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