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Info on SM - 2/5/2008 5:30:13 AM   
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    I am a college student participating in a service learning project for my abnormal psychology class.   We will set up a booth and provide information on a certain topics. The topic of the group I am in is on Sadism and Masochism.  
   In the discussions we have had in our group so far, we have debated about S&M, whether  it should or shouldn't be listed as an abornormal behavior nor as a mental illness.  Our textbook did indicate that an abornormal behavior or a mental illness is basically determined by the society we live in, which. for our group is the US.   We are aware that some mental illnesses would be deemed appropriate in other societies.   
    Much of the information we are able to obtain is slanted towards S&M being deemed as a mental illness and our textbook does state that many people who practice S&M do not seek treatment, therefore, I can not see where the information the mental health professionals comes from nor believe that it is truly accurate.   Therefore, I desire to ask those who practice S&M a series of questions.   Hopefully, I can get the answers, that will allow me to present information that is a bit more accurate as well as informative.  
     If you practice S&M I am asking you to respond and answer the series of questions I am posing below.   Thank you in advance.
  1. What is your gender?
  2. What is your sexual orientation?
  3. Do you identify as a Sadist, Masochist or both?
  4. Age group 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60 or 61+
  5. Our text book states that a dysfunctional past can cause a person to practice SM such as abuse or overbearing parents.   Did you have a dysfunctional past and if so do you think it caused you to engage in S&M?
  6. In our group, we discussed various types of play and some types of play we found acceptable while other types seemed abnormal.  Do you feel that some types are abnormal (eg. gun play) while others are not?
  7. We discussed safety aspects in our group, what sort of safety measures do you have in place so as not to cause harm to another person?
  8. Why do you feel you engage in S&M?
  9. Do you feel that S&M is an abnormal practice?   Why or why not?   
  10. Have you sought professional help regarding your involvement in S&M or thought about seeking help?   Why or why not?
  11. I want to see things through the eyes of someone who practices S&M, if you could give me one piece of information to help me understand you what would that be?
  12. Last question---thoughts, feelings or any information I did not cover that should be included?


The information obtained will be useful in making an informative handout to pass on to guests who visit our booth.   I hope that I get some useful feedback, thanks to everyone.  


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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 5:33:58 AM   
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3. or neither.

it is flawed and heavy bias shows thru it, go back to the drawing board if you want answers.  the language is not neutral and begs for judgement.

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 5:40:25 AM   
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I am a member here and identify as a masochist and will be using my own thoughts on this topic, however, I choose not to share  my particpation in SM with my  group.   I was not excited about even doing this topic because although I am passionate about it, I choose not to share that side of me with everyone.   During our discussion one member of the group did out herself and attempted to educate the group on SM and I was not happy with the education we were recieving so I decided to get some better information from you all that I can present in a neutral way.  

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 5:42:30 AM   
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But Ron, how comes you think it's flawed?  Cherry was specific and it is only for SM practioners so obviously it is going to show a sense of bias.  If a person is neither, you wouldn't fill out the form?  Just editted to add - I can see flaws - I guess I just didn;t see that as one of them.
 
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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 5:53:44 AM   
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    Dark,  can you explain the flaws?      Because we are presenting this to people who we assume  have no understanding of S&M we are going to have to present it from both sides, the mental health stand point and those who practice S&M.    So of course there is going to be judgement jesus christ we all deal with judgement all the time. If we didn't deal with judgement, I'd choose not to take a neutral stand point, but because there is judgement, I can not out myself  and continue on with my chosen career path.   

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 6:16:23 AM   
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But Ron, how comes you think it's flawed?  Cherry was specific and it is only for SM practioners so obviously it is going to show a sense of bias.  If a person is neither, you wouldn't fill out the form?  Just editted to add - I can see flaws - I guess I just didn;t see that as one of them.
 
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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 6:17:38 AM   
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3. or neither.

it is flawed and heavy bias shows thru it, go back to the drawing board if you want answers.  the language is not neutral and begs for judgement.

Ron


I initially had the same reaction to #3, but cherry does say the survey is for "those who practice S&M", and not necessarily for all of us.  Unfortunately, the public at large considers all D/s activities as "S&M", so I think it vital to the study to define terms up front.

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 6:24:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lockmeupplease

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

3. or neither.

it is flawed and heavy bias shows thru it, go back to the drawing board if you want answers.  the language is not neutral and begs for judgement.

Ron


I initially had the same reaction to #3, but cherry does say the survey is for "those who practice S&M", and not necessarily for all of us.  Unfortunately, the public at large considers all D/s activities as "S&M", so I think it vital to the study to define terms up front.
    Our book does define Master slave relationships as element of S&M so you do have a valid point about the belief of the community.  I have and will continue to bring up the fact that although I agree that D/s can be an element of S&M D/s does not have to incorporate S&M.   

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 6:27:19 AM   
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<snippity snipped for brevity and maybe levity heh>
        If you practice S&M I am asking you to respond and answer the series of questions I am posing below.   Thank you in advance.
  1. What is your gender?  F 
  2. What is your sexual orientation? Het
  3. Do you identify as a Sadist, Masochist or both?  Maso
  4. Age group 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60 or 61+  41-50 (42)
  5. Our text book states that a dysfunctional past can cause a person to practice SM such as abuse or overbearing parents.   Did you have a dysfunctional past and if so do you think it caused you to engage in S&M? No
  6. In our group, we discussed various types of play and some types of play we found acceptable while other types seemed abnormal.  Do you feel that some types are abnormal (eg. gun play) while others are not? Not abnormal, just not my interest
  7. We discussed safety aspects in our group, what sort of safety measures do you have in place so as not to cause harm to another person? Consenuality, basic common sense, experience & research
  8. Why do you feel you engage in S&M? It fits a need that I have, a balance I seek within my personal world
  9. Do you feel that S&M is an abnormal practice?   Why or why not?   Not. Because 'I' am not unbalanced. It may draw some that are unbalanced but then so does every 'group' that involves a variety of people.
  10. Have you sought professional help regarding your involvement in S&M or thought about seeking help?   Why or why not? Not, because it is not a flaw nor an illness so there is no reason for 'help'. For me it would be like seeking help because I am hetro
  11. I want to see things through the eyes of someone who practices S&M, if you could give me one piece of information to help me understand you what would that be? That there is no one way to practice S/m, that it is as individual as humans themselves
  12. Last question---thoughts, feelings or any information I did not cover that should be included? It is a bit frustrating that so many come with questions from such negativity, with an assumption that it is a flaw. That so many are convinced we were all horribly abused and that we are broken personalities. Bah.


The information obtained will be useful in making an informative handout to pass on to guests who visit our booth.   I hope that I get some useful feedback, thanks to everyone.  



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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 6:29:44 AM   
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quote:

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Our book does define Master slave relationships as element of S&M so you do have a valid point about the belief of the community.  I have and will continue to bring up the fact that although I agree that D/s can be an element of S&M D/s does not have to incorporate S&M.   

Have you read sources other than the almighty biased text book that seems to think S&M is 'abnormal' behavior from weirdo's with mental issues?
I think a less biased set of survey questions would be in order if you actually want to educate people on S&M. If you're only looking for sociopathic cases of S&M try doing your survey with some criminal types.

I would answer a survey on my practices of S&M but not this survey, the questions imply S&M is filled with 'abnormal' behaviors and is an illness that should be cured if possible.

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 6:45:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cherrypez

  1. What is your gender?
  2. What is your sexual orientation?
  3. Do you identify as a Sadist, Masochist or both?
  4. Age group 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60 or 61+
  5. Our text book states that a dysfunctional past can cause a person to practice SM such as abuse or overbearing parents.   Did you have a dysfunctional past and if so do you think it caused you to engage in S&M?
  6. In our group, we discussed various types of play and some types of play we found acceptable while other types seemed abnormal.  Do you feel that some types are abnormal (eg. gun play) while others are not?
  7. We discussed safety aspects in our group, what sort of safety measures do you have in place so as not to cause harm to another person?
  8. Why do you feel you engage in S&M?
  9. Do you feel that S&M is an abnormal practice?   Why or why not?   
  10. Have you sought professional help regarding your involvement in S&M or thought about seeking help?   Why or why not?
  11. I want to see things through the eyes of someone who practices S&M, if you could give me one piece of information to help me understand you what would that be?
  12. Last question---thoughts, feelings or any information I did not cover that should be included?



The information obtained will be useful in making an informative handout to pass on to guests who visit our booth.   I hope that I get some useful feedback, thanks to everyone.  



When the survey states, 'dysfunctional' that is far too open a question.  What does the book you are using say - how does it define dysfunctional?  Are we talking sexual abuse?  Physical?  One parent family?  It really does need to be precise - overbaring parents is too vague - otherwise you may get 'yes' answers when technically the book you use doesn't consider what they consider to be dysfunctional as dysfunctional.
 
It mentions 'not causing harm'.  In some SM relationships, causing harm is the goal. 
 
Professional help - in what context?  Not specific enough.  Psych?  Medical?  Other sadists?  Pro dominants?  It might get a 'yes' but there is no definitions on what is meant by professional help.
 
There is also no indication on the definition you are using for SM practioners.  Are you using a standard classic medical definiton, or what?  Not every sadist has an orgasm from causing pain, it's just part of the 'whole'.
 
There is no indication as to who has authority either.  Many SM ers just practise SM, but there are dominant and submissive types that practise SM and without having that info, it just may automatically taint and make assumptions on the survey that the sadists are the authority.  That isn't always the case.
 
There isn't even a mention of it being a consensual practise or not.  So, ok, I am not big on consent, but in a mental illness, consent wouldn't always come into it and seeing as you seem to suggest that the condition is being represented as abuse - I would have thought that would have been a point to ask.
 
These are just off the top of my head.
 
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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 7:55:17 AM   
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Dark,

   Thanks for the post and I appreciate all of the feed back.   It not what I was expecting however, I am finding some useful information nonetheless.
   I agree that dsyfuntional is an open term.   The defination will depend on who is answering the question.    I believe dysfunction relates to our own personal environment.   I gave examples used in the text book I am required to use for this class.   I suppose it could mean sexual abuse, an overbearing parent could mean one who is too controlling, one who uses corporal punishing---it is very vague I agree.
      I don't see harm as the goal.   I see hurt as the goal.   I consider harm a long lasting hurt or a hurt that might require medical attention.     I should have been more clear about that.        
Since the whole context of the project is psychology, professional help would more than likely mean professional help in that area.     
   I am fully aware that D/s can be an element of SM, I am aware  also that sometimes there is no authority involved in SM.  
      As for consensual, I believe that consent is a huge element however, there are some people who do not use consent at all.   A person who beats their pet (not human pet) and gets erotic pleasure over it, is still a Sadist and it is not consensual.   Ted Bundy indeed was a Sadist, and his actions were not consensual.   There are so many variables here.   What about the masochist who agrees to a, b,c but not x, y, z and once the masochist is bound and helpless the Sadist crosses the boundries of consent and does x,y,z anyways, the consent goes out the window.  Consent will be presented in this project, there is a huge difference between the acts of a man like Ted Bundy and a Sadist who plays with a consenting partner and abides by the boundries set down in the beginning.     
       I knew that this was going to be a difficult project to complete.   I really was against this topic because of the depth of the topic.   It's simply not a topic where all information can be given completely and accurately and making sure that everyone is pleased with the outcome.   
       We were allowed to pick six topics and the instructor chose which of the six we would present.   I stupidly thought she would not allow SM as a topic because there is are strict guidelines as to what we can and can not present.    I felt she would deem it too graphic therefore allowed the group to pick this topic as one of the six.       

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 8:09:53 AM   
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I'm in therapy to deal with issues arising from having an offspring with a major mood disorder. My therapist is a PhD, clinical psychologist. She is aware of my interest in alternative sexualityu. She does not see it as causing me any trouble or as signs of a problem.

What you aren't addressing is those of us who are interested in this and who do not fit the definition of a paraphilia. If someone has a more than common interest in shoes, they will spend discretionary income on more shoes instead of more books or saving for a vacation. That's not unhealthy because it is not income needed to pay rent, they go to the shoestore on their lunch hour a couple of times a week and get back to work. However it becomes an abnormal interest, a paraphilia, if they are transfixed by the new shoes in the window and cannot go back to work, instead spending all day staring at the shoes. It is unhealthy if they spend money on shoes and cannot pay the rent. I'm sure you see the parallel here.

Besides if you define a liking for strong sensations as being unhealthy, then anyone who willingly goes to a Mexican restaurant and orders very spicy food is unhealthy. After all, they willingly subject themselves to having their mouths burn, to having tears come to their eyes, have their nose run, etc. Obviously no normal person would subject themselves to this torture, and pay for it which adds indignity to injury as the phrase goes.

What about scary movies? You willingly go to watch something that makes you scream and might induce nightmares. Obviously abnormal as is a liking for roller coasters etc.

How come it's only abnormal if it's sexual but not if it's entertainment or food?

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 8:27:32 AM   
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To the OP,

Tell your professor to get some new textbooks, S&M hasn't been listed in the DSM IV as a disorder for a long time.

I love schools that have such a narrow focus on Western thought, look up Karma Sutra, Taoism, and Catholicism.  Only in the West do people think "if I don't know about it, it doesn't exist"!

Oh, and go buy a copy of Midori's book The Wild Side of Sex and look in early editions of The Joy of Sex.

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 8:32:08 AM   
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Hi cherry

Hurt can be the goal for some - but harm can be the goal for others - long term permenant scaring or damage.  This is why the questionaire is flawed because any fair study will take into consideration other factors because otherwise your'e simply going to get a biased POV.  I would really recommend defining your points - explain what you mean by hurt.

I did make the assumption you know about Ds and that authority isn't always involved, but for those where authority does exist - what about them?  What about the sadist submissive types?  The dominant masochists?  And where do switches fit.  Its an automatic assumption to believe that the dominant will always be the sadist and this just isn't always the case.  There is no way that survey indicates this, even though you have gender and sex listed.  I really believe orientation is a componant as well.
 
And your point about Bundy I get -  I really do - however it is ultimately confusing to compare bundy's activities and BDSM activites and combine them into the same study -  they are completely different and it shows a complete bias towards mental illness.  I can be postive that if you wrote that survey out, placing bundy as an example of a BDSM sadist, you would get people refusing to take part.  A sadist who crosses bounds and limits not agreed upon  is causing abuse, no doubt (unless pre-arranged).  But your survey should take that into consideration - even to the point of having two seperate types to compare the mental diagnosis of SM with the practises that go on in a BDSM relationship, because the differences are there.  Sure, De Sade was a non consensual sadist also, and yes - compare him to bundy - but if De Sade walked onto this forum right now, do you really think he would be welcomed with open arms?
 
I understand you have to take a neutral standpoint, but by comparing the above in the same light, your falling into the 'BDSM is bad' side of the line, and I know you probably don't believe that is the case.It's incredulous to compare the likes of the sadism experimented with in wiitwd and that sadism performed by Bundy or the possibly fictitious likes of De Sade and use them as examples or as role models for sadism - and place people like Ron, Darcy, Myself, missturbation, IM etc all in the same spectrum.  Your simply playing into the hands of those who would have BDSM practioners hung, drawn and quartered.  Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but although you know that Bundy is a different kind of sadism, your first post doesn't seperate it and is way bias that all sadism is the same, which is why I suggested you mention something about whether the participant understands and believes in consent or not.
 
I understand this is your survey, but you did ask for input and these are the flaws I see, and it doesn;t make for a neutral survey, but a biased one IMO.
 
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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 8:35:18 AM   
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Michael,

I will bring that to her attention.

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 8:51:52 AM   
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  1. What is your gender?
  2. What is your sexual orientation?
  3. Do you identify as a Sadist, Masochist or both?
  4. Age group 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60 or 61+
  5. Our text book states that a dysfunctional past can cause a person to practice SM such as abuse or overbearing parents.   Did you have a dysfunctional past and if so do you think it caused you to engage in S&M?
  6. In our group, we discussed various types of play and some types of play we found acceptable while other types seemed abnormal.  Do you feel that some types are abnormal (eg. gun play) while others are not?
  7. We discussed safety aspects in our group, what sort of safety measures do you have in place so as not to cause harm to another person?
  8. Why do you feel you engage in S&M?
  9. Do you feel that S&M is an abnormal practice?   Why or why not?   
  10. Have you sought professional help regarding your involvement in S&M or thought about seeking help?   Why or why not?
  11. I want to see things through the eyes of someone who practices S&M, if you could give me one piece of information to help me understand you what would that be?
  12. Last question---thoughts, feelings or any information I did not cover that should be included?
1.  Male
2. Heterosexual
3. Masochist
4.  Um...  I don't fit into any of the age groups.  Give me a few months and I'll fit into the first one.
5.  Did I have abusive parents?  No.  Did I have a messed up parent?  Yes.  Does it have anything to do with my masochism?  No.  I indentified myself as a Masochist before any of that.
6.  I do feel there are abnormal types of play, yes.
7.  Communication.  It's a very simple safety measure that's rather effective.
8. Because it makes me happy.
9. Abnormal within the context of society?  Yes.  Abnormal by my standards?  No
10.  No, I haven't.  It doesn't affect my life, or anybody else's, in a negative manner.  Why change it?  Perhaps I should seek help for enjoying kissing as well?
11.  You can't see it through my eyes.  It can't accurately be captured.
12.  Nothing of note.

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 11:38:54 AM   
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   I am a college student participating in a service learning project for my abnormal psychology class.   We will set up a booth and provide information on a certain topics. The topic of the group I am in is on Sadism and Masochism.  
  In the discussions we have had in our group so far, we have debated about S&M, whether  it should or shouldn't be listed as an abornormal behavior nor as a mental illness.  Our textbook did indicate that an abornormal behavior or a mental illness is basically determined by the society we live in,  and for that reason alone we are on the "outside" group of "normal" society.  So no matter what we or you say, it will still be looked at as aberrant behaviour.  Some may take it to the extreme and call it abuse, even consentual abuse, but with a basis in madness.  which. for our group is the US.   We are aware that some mental illnesses would be deemed appropriate in other societies.   
   Much of the information we are able to obtain is slanted towards S&M being deemed as a mental illness and our textbook does state that many people who practice S&M do not seek treatment, therefore, I can not see where the information the mental health professionals comes from nor believe that it is truly accurate.   You go girl, and I hope you are able to prove at least some of us do not require mental "help" just because we get our jollies from being whipped.  It has been 250 years that SM has been "out", since the Marquis deSade wrote, and we are still on the fringes of society and in varying degrees of mental health danger according to "those that know"     I agree that there are probably some that have entered this style of living because of their past, because it's all they know, because it's where they are comfortable, and that do need more professional help than a Pro Dom/me, but there is the law of attraction and the law of statistics for you.  In every deck of cards, there are 4 Kings, 4 Queens, 4 Jacks, etc and the odds of turning them change in every shuffle.  Same with life, there are always going to be those that pop up, changing with every shuffle.  Therefore, I desire to ask those who practice S&M a series of questions.   Hopefully, I can get the answers, that will allow me to present information that is a bit more accurate as well as informative.  
    If you practice S&M I am asking you to respond and answer the series of questions I am posing below.   Thank you in advance.
  1. What is your gender?  F
  2. What is your sexual orientation? Straight until 45 yo, then bisexual
  3. Do you identify as a Sadist, Masochist or both?  Maso
  4. Age group 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60 or 61+   41-50 (I'm not tell anyone that I'm 47....lol)
  5. Our text book states that a dysfunctional past can cause a person to practice SM such as abuse or overbearing parents.   Did you have a dysfunctional past and if so do you think it caused you to engage in S&M?   Woohoo doggy!  What a loaded question.  I've asked myself this question sooooo many times.  In my opinion, there are probably some masos that now practise SM because of their past:  the abuse is all they know, that's where they are comfortable, the mental cruelty seems to fit "most" (read uninformed vanilla) ideas about submission, etc.  For sadists, I can imagine that if they had an abusive childhood they may be acting out the opposite, finally being on the weilding end so to speak.  I don't know coz I'm not them.  Myself, yes, I had an abusive father, drunk and drugged and swinging the fists.  When I first got here, I did a lot of introspection to find out why I like being beaten now and didn't then.  I was wondering if I was here because of the abuse or in spite of it.  My past gave me some hard and fast lessons that I've brought forward into relationships yes, as to how "I" define abuse and the lines I will not cross.  Having a belt swung by my man is definitely different than having one swung by my father.  The intent mostly.  With my father it was control (or lack of), and the intent to harm me physically, to take out his frustrations on a weaker, undefending being.  With my man it is also control but whole lots of it, his intent is to hurt me because I like it, not to harm me.  Done with love you could say.     So coming from a dysfuntional family I've learned what real abuse is, the strength it took for my mother to stand up, say enough and get us out of there, the hard-won independence of being a single mom, and now knowing myself the difference between what feels right in a relationship and what doesn't.  Don't even get me going on my marriage, a whole different kettle of fish...lol.
  6. In our group, we discussed various types of play and some types of play we found acceptable while other types seemed abnormal.  Do you feel that some types are abnormal (eg. gun play) while others are not?   Again, depends on your definition of abnormal.  To most in society, tying me up or whipping me is abnormal.  As a practising SM'er yourself, I will assume you are about as open as I am and try to explain from there.  What "I" find abhorrent in SM is face-slapping (too personal, too close to the abuse as listed above);  gun play haven't done but not high on my like or ick factor; humiliation - not so abnormal as more not felt, probably again because of what I've done with myself after the abusive life.  The only really "abnormal" things I can think of are my hard limits anyways...kids, poop, animals, death.
  7. We discussed safety aspects in our group, what sort of safety measures do you have in place so as not to cause harm to another person?   I have safe calls if I'm meeting someone for the first time, even a coffee date in public.  I had safe calls for all weekends I spent out of the province.  I have a safe word that I've never used but will if I feel the need to.  My biggest safety net is my intuition:  if a person/location/scene/situation just "doesn't feel right" I don't do it.  Causing harm to another person is not my cup of tea so, although I'm pretty out myself, I tend to be fairly discreet around the public.
  8. Why do you feel you engage in S&M?   Coz I like it and it's fun.  Simple as that.
  9. Do you feel that S&M is an abnormal practice?   Why or why not?    Not at all.  Why is walking your dog in the park considered normal if that's what you want to do on a Saturday afternoon, but SM isn't?  I would prefer to scene than watch TV in the evenings, so what?  Just because what I like to do in the privacy of my own home (or the privacy of dungeons) is different from what "normal" couples do, should it be considered "abnormal"?
  10. Have you sought professional help regarding your involvement in S&M or thought about seeking help?   Why or why not?   No.  I don't feel that I need or should have professional help.  I don't have a "problem" the way I see it.  Should couples that only do missionary position once a week on Saturday nights go for professional help because they are suffering from "the ruts"??   (Well,  yeah, I think so but......lol )
  11. I want to see things through the eyes of someone who practices S&M, if you could give me one piece of information to help me understand you what would that be?   I am me.  If you met me on the street or in S**bucks, you would see a 47 yo woman in probably jeans and sneakies grabbing a mocca to go.  With or without ums, with or without my man, with or without grocery bags, you would think I'm a typical two-legged suburbanite female with a normal job and life.  What you don't see is the welts on my ass, the redness fading from my back, the carpet burns on my knees, the happy pussy that just got .......   But you will see the big smile of contentment on my face because I am me, I like me just the way I am, I am comfortable with my masochism and strong enough to defend it should I need to. 
  12. Last question---thoughts, feelings or any information I did not cover that should be included?   Er....if I think of any, I'll CMail you.



The information obtained will be useful in making an informative handout to pass on to guests who visit our booth.   I hope that I get some useful feedback, thanks to everyone.  



Good luck with it.  I do hope you can get the word out in your little corner of the world that we are not all hopped-up crazy running amok wielding whips SM'ers.  Well, some of us anyway. 

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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 12:16:56 PM   
Maya2001


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quote:

Much of the information we are able to obtain is slanted towards S&M being deemed as a mental illness and our textbook does state that many people who practice S&M do not seek treatment, therefore, I can not see where the information the mental health professionals comes from nor believe that it is truly accurate.


Maybe incorporate more of those who support that it isn't

Maybe you should include research from people who have psychology degrees and support S/M   for example Midori who has become a sex educator http://www.fhp-inc.com
Dr. William A. Henkin Phd   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Henkin
Dr. Charles Moser Phd
http://www.nlaidvproject.us/CharlesMoser.htm

Dr Guy Baldwin Phd
http://www.ajepstein.com/photo%20gallery/baldwin.html

http://www.revisef65.org/hayden2.html





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RE: Info on SM - 2/5/2008 1:28:49 PM   
Archer


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Edited to highlight font of my answers

  1. Gender

           M
  1. What is your sexual orientation?
    Heterosexual but equal opportunity Sadist (SM play across genders a          What is your gender?
    nd orientation)

  2. Do you identify as a Sadist, Masochist or both?
    Sadist
  3. Age group 21-30, 31-40, 41-50, 51-60 or 61+
    41-50
  4. Our text book states that a dysfunctional past can cause a person to practice SM such as abuse or overbearing parents.   Did you have a dysfunctional past and if so do you think it caused you to engage in S&M?
    Fairly functional divorced family.
  5. In our group, we discussed various types of play and some types of play we found acceptable while other types seemed abnormal.  Do you feel that some types are abnormal (eg. gun play) while others are not?
    Abnormal meaning outside the statistical mean, of course. but nothing about normality is in my goals and values.  Again abnormal outside the bell curve yes but then again an IQ of 150 is abnormal by definition as well, I have always failed to see the value of being in the mean of a bell curve.
  6. We discussed safety aspects in our group, what sort of safety measures do you have in place so as not to cause harm to another person? Education about the physical,mental and spiritual effects of pain. Generally play with a person the first time at a private event where witnesses can vouch for the consent given being at least to some level. References of sorts used when possible, fairly long negotiations when it comes to long term relationships. Serve as a safecall for others occassionally
  7. Why do you feel you engage in S&M? Progression from the appreciation of slight pain play common in "normal bell curve activities (back scratching, bites, etc) later found that I had an appreciation for the responses I got from those activities. Stdy of sexuality private led me to explore further.
  8. Do you feel that S&M is an abnormal practice?   Why or why not?   
    Again Abnormal within the mean of a bell curve yes, but the value judgement that anything outside of the bell curve is somehow wrong or undesireable eludes me.
  9. Have you sought professional help regarding your involvement in S&M or thought about seeking help?   Why or why not?                                                                                                                                          My Sadism has never caused disruption of my ability to persue a life that is happy and healthy so never saw the need.
  10. I want to see things through the eyes of someone who practices S&M, if you could give me one piece of information to help me understand you what would that be?
    I would refer you to the biting and back scratching and say SM is only a matter of degree.
  11. Last question---thoughts, feelings or any information I did not cover that should be included?


Different Loving, Gloria Brame, and Jon Jacobs would be a good resource for reference level stastistics and other data. Also Gloria's website might prove valuable reading for you.
         http://www.gloria-brame.com/diflove/index.html

< Message edited by Archer -- 2/5/2008 1:40:56 PM >

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