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Jeffff -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 1:36:39 PM)

In  pearls and heels...........and if i happen to yell...donnnaaaaaaaaa...just ignore me

Jeff



mnottertail -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 1:38:10 PM)

Oh, Donna, Oh, Donna
Oh, Donna, Oh, Donna

I had a girl
Donna was her name
Since she left me
I've never been the same
'cause I love my girl
Donna, where can you be? Where can you be?

Now that you're gone
I'm left all alone
All by myself
To wander and roam
'cause I love my girl
Donna, where can you be? Where can you be?

Well, darlin', now that you're gone
I don't know what I'll do
All the time and all my love for yo-ou-ou

I had a girl
Donna was her name
Since she left me
I've never been the same
'cause I love my girl
Donna, where can you be? Where can you be?

Oh, Donna, Oh, Donna
Oh, Donna, Oh, Donna

Richie Valens



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 4:17:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

The attitudes about them has changed. Then it was spare the rod spoil the child. Now it is throw the rod away and let the child do whatever it wishes to.


my sentiments exactly! the rod (aka discipline) has been thrown away; many mothers go on their merry way with working outside the home; and way too many children come home to empty houses after school (or don't come home), leaving them free to do whatever they feel like doing. There is no discipline or structure - misbehavior results in grounding (which doesn't always work) and when the parent(s) get tired of dealing with it they give up. i was considered a "problem child" and my parents gave up on me; now as a grown adult, i seek the childhood discipline and structure that i did NOT get when it was needed (which is the one reason why i am drawn toward the D/s lifestyle - i want, crave, and NEED those things). my lack of proper raising has shown it's toll in trying to raise my own children; i don't want them to go through the same frustrations when they are adults.



TracyTaken -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 4:22:59 PM)

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my sentiments exactly! the rod (aka discipline) has been thrown away; many mothers go on their merry way with working outside the home;


As I said in another post, for many (I would guess most) mothers, work is not a "merry" thing.  A one-income family is, by and large, a thing of the past.  Their earnings feeds the kids, keeps a roof over thier heads, pays the bills, etc.  I agree that it's not working out very well for the kids, but it bothers me when you put the blame on moms who work their asses off to make ends meet.



sexyred1 -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 4:33:35 PM)

To the OP: I am very amused by this thread and although you do not want to see old TV shows, you may perhaps be interested in a much more realistic MOVIE about what you are asking about.

There is a film that came out recently called Far From Heaven which depicts the life of a 50's housewife and her husband. I think you will find it fascinating on many levels, and you perhaps NOT long for that time again when you see the hypocrisy, sexual repression and emotional abuse that went on in seemingly 'perfect" 50's style families.

For me, I am glad to live now when we are free to do what we want and everyone is far more enlightened. And women have more opportunities now, than then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_From_Heaven



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 4:41:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Gleegal67

1. Women are encouraged and expected to be self sufficient and successful.


Compliments of merriam-webster:

Main Entry:  self–suf·fi·cient 
1 : able to maintain oneself or itself without outside aid : capable of providing for one's own need2 : having an extreme confidence in one's own ability or worth Ability and capability are something that i DO strongly encourage for everybody - men, women, and children - because a tragedy can happen at anytime, leaving someone in a situation where they HAVE to get by on their own. There's no reason why an educated woman (or man) who is capable of employment and self-support HAS to work if she (or he) prefers to be a homemaker. However, if a child is left to tend to his/her own needs while both parents are away at work, where is the discipline and structure they need to become responsible adults? All the education in the world does NOT ensure social skills, timeliness, prioritizing, etc. Learning to become self-sufficient starts in the home, not in the schools or the workplace. 
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ORIGINAL: Gleegal67   2. Women are experiencing that a husband is not required to achieve absolute happiness.
 What exactly IS absolute happiness, and does anybody ever achieve it? Note:i personally prefer a male head-of-household; i see no reason why it cannot be the other way around if someone else sees fit for their own lifestyle.



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 4:53:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyLolly

Strict Southern Baptist still live it (IMO) love, honor and obey as still traditionally part of her vows.  Male dominant D/s tho they will deny it.  The man of the house has his role, duties and responsibilities - and absolute authority. He is the bread winner, king of his castle.   The car, the trash, the lightbulbs and any repair work are his domain.  The woman has her role, duties and responsibilities and is docile, loving and submissive to her man.   She cleans the house , raises the children, keeps her self primped and accessable to him and for him - she supports him totally so that he can concentrate on being the provider for the family.


Well hot-diggity, maybe i need to become a Southern Baptist! [sm=biggrin.gif] (and people say i have no sense of humor)

Back to my serious self though... that about sums it up for me, except i find that i do have a difficult time with "absolute authority" .... the biggest reason why i often question my submissiveness, and i wonder if O/others ever think the same about me. However, my difficulty is not based on liberation, equal rights, or rebellion (ok a bit of bratty rebellion occasionally); my difficulty is a trust issue based on past experiences.



ForeverOwned -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:03:01 PM)

We, live in a 50's household. i am a stay at home Mom. i tqke care of the house and the family. i do all the errands and such. We make all of our decisions together, but he always has the final word on everything. We also live the D/s way.

Life is pretty good for us. i have never been as happy or as fullfilled as i am living this way.



ForeverOwned -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:06:00 PM)

i am free, liberated and able to do what i wish to do. i jusr enjoy being a part of a team and belonging to someone who helps me with the burdens of life and is always there to help carry the load, so that my life is not as stresfull.



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:14:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

A one-income family is, by and large, a thing of the past.  Their earnings feeds the kids, keeps a roof over thier heads, pays the bills, etc.  I agree that it's not working out very well for the kids, but it bothers me when you put the blame on moms who work their asses off to make ends meet.


If it's required to make ends meet, then so be it; with that i do not disagree. However, for two years i raised a child on $800 month; the two of us were fed and sheltered and the bills were paid. We even had enough money left over to pay the cost of telephone and dial up internet, a television and vcr (used) and a few movies, and go splurge at McDonald's once a month (provided we walk to school rather than drive, and took the bus to go grocery shopping). Toys and clothing were bought from garage sales and discount stores; they may have been old to someone else, but they were new to us. The difference (as i see it) is that we did not have cell phones, cable/satellite television, video game systems, and all the other amenities that so many people today think are a necessity, when in actuality they are not necessities - they are luxuries.

It's all a matter of PERSONAL OPINION... i have mine, and Y/you have Y/ours ... to that every individual is entitled. i am NOT saying that my lifestyle is the "right" way and that Y/yours is the wrong way. i am only saying that my way is right for me and Y/your way is not right for me.



TracyTaken -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:15:42 PM)

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Back to my serious self though... that about sums it up for me, except i find that i do have a difficult time with "absolute authority" .... the biggest reason why i often question my submissiveness, and i wonder if O/others ever think the same about me.


IMO, you are very wise if you don't let your need to be submissive over take your intelligence (just read the posts from needy submissives trying to please a jerk or those from submissives who haven't clued enough to even question their submissiveness).  Near as I can tell from this one forum, you are way ahead of the game.  Don't worry about what others think - trust me on this (or, again, peruse the posts from the ultra-submissives and decide if you really want to be that).  In my experience, people aren't very bright when it comes to emotions (in crowds they can become downright idiotic), that need to submit evokes powerful emotions.

I do have a big trump card in my relationship:  I can always leave it; and at one point I did.  It was the best thing I ever did for my most cherished relationship.

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However, my difficulty is not based on liberation, equal rights, or rebellion (ok a bit of bratty rebellion occasionally); my difficulty is a trust issue based on past experiences.


That's okay - go anyway.  Just don't get yourself into anything that you can't get yourself out of.  I'll tell you this, from what I've read on this board - smart Doms prefer smart subs.  Do you want a stupid Dom?



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:21:39 PM)

Many thanks for referring the movie entitled "Far From Heaven". It sounds like a fascinating (and educating) movie and i look forward to watching it. i do realize that life during the 50's was not perfect; i too am grateful to be living in an era where i have the CHOICE to make my own decisions and design my own lifestyle. i think it is wonderful that more opportunities are available to women who WANT them; and i will take advantage of those opportunities if and when i find it necessary to make ends meet. Until that time, i will live by the code of "love, honor, and obey" to the best of my ability; that is the OPPORTUNITY that my partner has presented me with, and the CHOICE that i have made. i CHOOSE this lifestyle BECAUSE of the duty i feel toward my family; i can serve them best within our home.



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:25:06 PM)

 
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ORIGINAL: ForeverOwned
We, live in a 50's household. i am a stay at home Mom. i tqke care of the house and the family. i do all the errands and such. We make all of our decisions together, but he always has the final word on everything. We also live the D/s way. Life is pretty good for us. i have never been as happy or as fullfilled as i am living this way.  i am free, liberated and able to do what i wish to do. i jusr enjoy being a part of a team and belonging to someone who helps me with the burdens of life and is always there to help carry the load, so that my life is not as stresfull.


i like the sounds of that :)



domiguy -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:27:05 PM)

Nothing better than fucking the snot out of subsusie in our newly constructed bomb shelter....

http://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/fallout-docs/images/shelter-photo.gif


Making sure that she takes a form of birth control that eliminates her period......Cuz like I always say,

"Better dead than red."

And then after doling out a good ass pounding to subsusie we all stand in line wating for our polio immunization shots.


Could it get any better than this?



Griswold -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:29:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kuriousreturns

i would like to learn more about traditional or 50's style relationships; what exactly do these terms mean? What are the personality traits and character roles involved in this type of relationship? Where might i be able to find more information?


It's really quite simple;

Go find yourself an 11 inch (diagonal....it's all they made back then so it won't be difficult) black and white TV, some incredibly shitty couches, some wool carpet (that attracts every possible kind of dirt...impossible to clean), find an oil belching car that weighs 3,500 lbs and gets 5 mpg, and you've got yourself a delicious 50's style world.

Then find a nice guy to live it all with and you're set.

(It's easy).



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:32:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

IMO, you are very wise if you don't let your need to be submissive over take your intelligence.  Near as I can tell from this one forum, you are way ahead of the game.  Don't worry about what others think - trust me on this.  In my experience, people aren't very bright when it comes to emotions; that need to submit evokes powerful emotions.


Many thanks for the compliment, although i'm not sure if the opinion will remain after reading my post regarding working mothers (but that is an example of "not worrying what others think" and freely voicing my thoughts and opinions). i almost apologized for any offense i may have caused, then realized that i would be apologizing for "being me". my views, thoughts, feelings, and opinions are just no less important or valuable than any other individual; and all are equally entitled to free speech. (See, i DO have SOME modern beliefs). However i DO want everybody to understand that i am NOT trying to insult anybody or their view's ... and if anybody DOES feel insulted, please say so and let's deal with it. Sometimes things do not come across the way i intend, but i don't know if nobody tells me.



ForeverOwned -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:32:26 PM)

Thank you, i know it's not for everyone, but it works for us and believe me we are nothing like June and Ward or The Andersons. We are more like Cliff and Claire Huxtable, but a lot mnore naughty. :)



TracyTaken -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:36:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kuriousreturns

The difference (as i see it) is that we did not have cell phones, cable/satellite television, video game systems, and all the other amenities that so many people today think are a necessity, when in actuality they are not necessities - they are luxuries. 


I agree, to an extent, and wish I hadn't spent so much of own kids' childhoods worrying about giving them what every kid seemed to have.  I worked full time until they were adults.  A lot of the time though, my income meant making the rent, meant buying groceries, meant paying the power bill and putting gas in the car.  Or maybe it just gave us a little room to breathe.  At times it meant that my kids had health insurance and the like.  It was in no way fun, and I did not work because I wouldn't rather be home.  Being home just was not an option.




domiguy -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:39:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ForeverOwned

Thank you, i know it's not for everyone, but it works for us and believe me we are nothing like June and Ward or The Andersons. We are more like Cliff and Claire Huxtable, but a lot mnore naughty. :)



Great analogy...I don't think they would have been able to go out for dinner with you white folk...She would never had been an attorney nor he a doctor.

I would hate to think what would happen if they were naughty...Did you ever see that episode where Cliff whistled at a white woman and was decapitated...It was a fucking hoot!!!



kuriousreturns -> RE: Traditional or 50's Style Relationships (2/5/2008 5:42:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TracyTaken

Being home just was not an option.


i understand and acknowledge that it was/is not always an option; i should have specified way back in the posts that my disagreeable posts were directed toward people who DO have the option (and i still think there are too many people who say they are trying to make ends meet, yet they have the unnecessary amenities - sometimes that's all the second income is used for, and if that's the case then i think those parents should be more worried about proper discipline than they are about giving in - just my opinion).



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