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Old Style D/s - 2/21/2004 7:04:14 AM   
minka


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Status: offline 		Hello,
I am fairly new to this site and to the scene as well....granted I have lived the life of an online slave for a time though it had never had the substance as the human touch does.
Upon my travels I have come across a Dominate Male whom speaks about old D/s. And of him being a Grand Master.
I am sorta unconvinced of this though He acts quite different then most Dom's I have met.
I am asking if anyone might have heard mention to this Grand Master stuff and if so would they so be so kind as to point to me where I may locate some reads about it...
The individule claims to have been brought up within it....
I have a difficult time believing certain things and this is one of them...
thankyou ever so so much,
minks
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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/21/2004 11:01:50 AM   
ZenMaster


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Status: offline 		I don't think titles mean a whole lot as much as the connection you feel and the relationship you build with another person. I don't care if he calls himself Boogily Boo. What matters is that he is one who is in control of his own life, in many respects, in order to be in control of the life you give him.

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/21/2004 1:33:44 PM   
inyouagain


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quote:


...I don't care if he calls himself Boogily Boo. What matters is that he is one who is in control of his own life, in many respects, in order to be in control of the life you give him.


Perhaps in his mind it matters what you call him, and today it may be Grand Wizard, while tomorrow it may be Grand Puba... next day Supreme Grand Cheese Big Dog?? from what I've seen of your comments, it would appear you do have a novice whitewashing your ears with 'Boogily Boo'.

Your basic question was based on determining whther the Grand Master was legit or blowing smoke in oriffices... so I'd say go with your feelings, experience and what you know to be in order. If Grand Master demontrates his wisdom, you may have really found yourself a prize? If he talks the talk, but can't walk the walk, then he may not be as glorious as the coatings, or titles he applies to his perceived magnificent self.

I've never known of a structured group that practiced merit badge BDSM... promotion through various levels of cheese ranks to become the TMD (top master dog)... atop the pinnacle of knowledge and experience so vast one cannot begin to comprehend it... woah! so scary!!

The act of submission is not based on the 'title' of the Dom/me... never has been that I know of, but I really don't have many merit badges, and I missed a few classes that I didn't think were that important... maybe I was wrong?

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, walks like a duck... it very well could be a duck.

Hmm wonder if Grand Master is issued a sheepskin, or decree to hang on his wall?

I don't feel you are wrong for being skeptical, and it's highly likely your concerns will be eased or reinforced as you spend more time getting to know him better.

Did he say how long he will be here on planet earth?

I didn't want to go into it in this thread, but see another thread about Old Guard:
http://www.collarme.com/forum/The_term_%22Old_guard%22/m_109/tm.htm

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/21/2004 7:16:59 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		I would have suggested the same as Inyouagain. I think the man is referring to the codes of the old guard lifestyle. Though in reality I've never met an expert on it.
I'd say Guy Baldwin is the one I'd go searching for with questions.

What I would say to this man though is....Who gave you this title? What did you do to earn it? Do you have some certificate of training?
I mean there truly are Master Plumbers out there. Master Electricians. But I've never heard of a Master of BDSM.
Now I have heard of a Master. Yet that title is usually only to one special person because they have earned that title with an individual.

Boy did that make sense or what? hehe. I do have a man in my group I run who calls himself Master all of the time. Yet, he has'nt had his own submissive in over 5 years. So this topic is a bit close to the heart for me.

However, I think your Master is talking in Old Guard terms.

Hope this helped.

Gloria

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/22/2004 9:15:20 AM   
LALeatherFamily


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Status: offline 		The title of Grand Master is/was a term used by SOME gay Leathermen's groups and had/has different meanings from group to group, as with much of what is called Old guard these days.

My mentor was a Grand Master and in the tradition HE was trained in it simply meant that he entered as junior Top, trained and progressed to Top/Master without having been a bottom at all. This recognition was given TO him, not self claimed by him.

Another group I know of in the Atlanta area uses the same title to indicate an elder and very experienced person who is a teacher/guide/leader for others in his group. Again, the title is confered and recognized by the men in the group, not self applied.

So it IS a term in use in some areas. Whether this man merits it or not, only his actioned may determine. In my experience MOST folk who DO hold such a title tend to be pretty quiet about it outside of the specific group(s) where it might have some legit bearing.

You say he acts quite differently from other doms you know. In what way, I wonder. Could you give some examples? Is the difference favorable or unfavorable?
A person who WAS trained by some of the old style groups might very well act differently and have a distinctly different flavor from many more 'modern' doms.
But, then, so would a complete poser who is jerking your chain or living in some private fantasy of self aggrandisement. <shrug>

I do wonder how he would have entered and trained with a gay Leathermen's group, if he is a straight man, but such have been known to happen, tho rarely.

Best thing to do is to ask questions. LOTS of questions.


In Leather,
Daddy Grey
The Circle, Los Angeles

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/22/2004 8:12:01 PM   
JerryInTampa


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Status: offline 		Using any title outside of its context is a peeve of mine. I would not introduce myself here as "Dr", or "Sifu" because it's not relevent.

That said, I have no idea under what context this came up (it may have been offered solely for informative value).

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/25/2004 10:49:48 PM   
minka


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Status: offline 		I wish to extend to you my gratitude for replying to this question of mine..It's just been haunting me and nowhere that I ask has anyone known what I was talking about and have basically been laughed at and ridiculed for believing that this could be something for real. As You would know already it's not 'open' for discussion with the Dom Himself and what little that has been let out was not basically done so on purpose.
Thankyou again as I am already a bit leary of Him finding out I'm inquiring of this stuff so won't be bringing it up in public forum anymore.
gratefully,
sub minks

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/27/2004 6:52:50 AM   
JerryInTampa


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As You would know already it's not 'open' for discussion with the Dom Himself and what little that has been let out was not basically done so on purpose.
At the risk of a generalization: Not communicating = Bad

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/27/2004 2:39:37 PM   
sub4hire


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quote:

ORIGINAL: minka

I wish to extend to you my gratitude for replying to this question of mine..It's just been haunting me and nowhere that I ask has anyone known what I was talking about and have basically been laughed at and ridiculed for believing that this could be something for real. As You would know already it's not 'open' for discussion with the Dom Himself and what little that has been let out was not basically done so on purpose.
Thankyou again as I am already a bit leary of Him finding out I'm inquiring of this stuff so won't be bringing it up in public forum anymore.
gratefully,
sub minks


Minka,
From your previous statements I'm assuming this is only a cyber relationship?
Why are you so afraid of losing your cyber Dominant? I mean you say you are leary of him knowing you want to learn more about the lifestyle. I have to ask why you are?

If he is that insecure. That he has to fear your knowledge is he really the right person for you?

Gloria

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/27/2004 6:58:01 PM   
LrdSatyr8


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Status: offline 		If find it disturbing that there are many users online that try to use buzzwords ot make them sound more knowledgeable they they actually are. They see or read something somewhere and use it to make themselves appear like this know what they are talking about and that's what hurts the actual lifestyle the most. So many times have I talked with submissives that have had prior relationships go bad because they fell for the "dom" when he would spout off terms like "Old Gaurd" or "Grand Master" and the sub would never question it... thinking to themselves "Ohhhhhhhh... this guy must know what he's talking about and it sounds awefully important." What you as a sub need to do is watch for words like that... if you don't understand a term go online and research it yourself, then ask the dom what it means. If they coincide, then perhaps he does know what he's talking about... if not, you've just exposed him. Don't be afraid... just be smart.

-=> Master Satyr! <=-

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RE: Old Style D/s - 2/28/2004 9:58:35 AM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		LrdSatyr8 makes a very valid point.

Which poses yet another question. How many of you in real time situations. Even at Demo's where you assume the demo'er is an expert have you seen something go terribly wrong?

I've seen a single tail demo where the demoee moved a bit. Got her vagina slashed to threads.
Seen breath play where...there was a ambulance on the way. Well that even happened to me with a ball gag once. My Dom quickly learned what even I did'nt know. I can't breathe through my nose at all.

Anyway..accidents happen. None of us are all knowlegable. I know I'm not. I may be more than one...but not more than the masses. I've merely lived life..hopefully to the fullest thus far.

I personally don't like people labeling themselves though. I'd rather be the one labeling my Dom.

Anyway..my two cents.

Gloria

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RE: Old Style D/s - 3/1/2004 8:12:55 PM   
DaddyGrey


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Status: offline 		In my opinion (and I'm not known to be humble) when a person is unwilling to give information about their past, training, experience to another with whom they are ostensibly trying to construct a basis of trust, you got MAJOR red flags waving.

AND, to give a prospective sub or slave the indication that he or she cannot ask questions, ask for background or information about the said dom, should just accept on blind faith from someone they don't even know and are being told they will not be allowed to know..ANOTHER big red flag!

Me, I'd immediately wanna know WHY it was not open for discussion with him....I mean, if he's got nothing to hide...why hide it from you?

There is talk, talk, talk about subs and slaves needing to be open, vulnerable, transparent, yadda-yadda....
A dom/me or master/mistress had better be able to be so as well, or you got some rotten duck in the soup, kids.
Intentional or otherwise, if s/he will not let you touch who s/he is inside, how can you trust him/her to reach in there and fiddle about with what's inside you?

Trust had better go both ways, eh?


Daddy Grey
The Circle, Los Angeles

Strangely enough, when I interview prospects I encourage them to ask ANYthing they may want to know. I am often dismayed that there are so few questions from subs.

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Safe, Sane, Consensual....
Two out of three is not bad,
One will do in a pinch.

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RE: Old Style D/s - 3/3/2004 7:00:45 AM   
minka


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Status: offline 		I had asked this question here beings that it said ask a Master so after my own researching unturned diddly I gave it a shot.... Did I tangle with a redflag...Yes and have I stopped ? No .. I am appreciative of all the great advise here... thankyou
If my gut is right which it usually is....this community will have one less too worry about and one more to talk about
~~minka~~
Master Satyr, safety first always... :)

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RE: Old Style D/s - 12/24/2004 9:08:30 PM   
MistressDREAD


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RE: Old Style D/s - 12/25/2004 8:45:31 PM   
RealityFix


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Status: offline 		Ask for outside refferences who can verify his credentials.

This is always the pin which bursts the balloon.

One prick negating another.

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