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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 6:23:36 AM   
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yah its called a cell phone lucky.    while the phone itself is not secret the fact that the new phones now allow the nsa or fbi to turn them on and listen to you with the cover closed was added secretly without anyones knowledge.   Hence people were secretly planted with bugs.  I posted the cases many times.

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 6:36:56 AM   
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The microchips transmit ONLY WHEN the scanner suppies the power. They send no signal until the scanner is close enough that the scanner's signal is strong enough to be transfered into electricity inside the chip and the data sent. The chips have no integrated power supply and they are not hooked up to the nervous system to get their power.

Is there potential for this to be abused by criminals as well as corporations and governments? Yes but the state of the art right now is not there to be tracked like a GPS.





While what you say "may" be true this very "second", what does it take to build up the power level a wee bit and put one in every toll booth?  On street lamps?  Stop lites? Under your dash? The grocery stores?

Just because the device is activated from the power of a trans mitter hardly means it wont be activated all the time from a network of transmitters, or even from a satelite with a host of receivers on the ground.

So while the infrastructure is not there this very second to use it as a tracking device are you suggesting that we not worry about it and just go ahead and install them so they can later be used as tracking device?

It would be naive to think the gov would not abuse "anything" given to it would it not?+




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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 6:38:53 AM   
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/black_box_in_your_car.html

Check it out!!! It's here.  It's coming.  Big brother is slowly squeezing your nuts.  Can't you feel it?  If not, you will soon.




Thats the part that seems to escape many people.   the insight to understand that "they will be soon".






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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 7:15:17 AM   
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Is there potential for this to be abused by criminals as well as corporations and governments?


My point is, not so much that the current "function" (so they say) is limited to such and such, but that this is another step to monitor what we do WITOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE in advance!!  Did you read the whole article?  They have already stepped this up to include a device under the seat that can do GPS.  Hmmmmmmmm???  Did you read that part?
Did we vote on this?  Does it violate our constitutional right to privacy?  We all have our views, of course.  But do they matter?  I think the evidence is continuing to mount that our "views" are beside the point.  We've lost our voice.  AND, we're continuing to LET THEM take our voice.  Unless they are monitoring it, of course, through the wonderful patriot act and their right to monitor our phone conversations without our knowledge, subpeona, or anything else.  Hmmmmmm.
All they have to say is....Gee, we "thought" there might be an issue with this person regarding terrorrism.  Sorry.
It's a slow squeeze.  Spoon feeding.


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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 7:36:51 AM   
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Where can I get one of these microchips?  I already have stalkers, this might be a good way to consolidate them.   Maybe I already have one, could explain the constant ringing in my ears. I have a TI-83, will that work just as well?  Oh, speaking of 'where did our voice go,' don't forget, it's the Electoral College who really selects our President, that's been going on since ..uh the birth of our Nation.

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 8:14:44 AM   
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First off I was on the subject of the microchips not the black boxes in cars. Helps to keep the ideas seperate when discussing details.

But if you are looking for commentary on the black boxes I have my own opinions on them as well. But no I didn't read the link I wasn't looking to discuss the seperate item of the black boxes in cars during that last post.

But on the subject of the black boxes.
I'm not a fan of them, don't want ONStar or any of the other services, I think those should be optional, and that they should have a way to remove them. But a device recording the speed, direction, acceleration, decelleration, etc of the car you are driving does not violate any right you have. It mearly serves as an impartial observer. One that isn't biased by freindship, halo effect, racial bias, gender bias, etc. It tells the investigators of a collission the things that can determine the facts of the case.

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 10:15:45 AM   
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My point is, not so much that the current "function" (so they say) is limited to such and such, but that this is another step to monitor what we do WITOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE in advance!!  Did you read the whole article?  They have already stepped this up to include a device under the seat that can do GPS.  Hmmmmmmmm???  Did you read that part?
Did we vote on this?  Does it violate our constitutional right to privacy?  We all have our views, of course.  But do they matter?  I think the evidence is continuing to mount that our "views" are beside the point.  We've lost our voice.  AND, we're continuing to LET THEM take our voice.  Unless they are monitoring it, of course, through the wonderful patriot act and their right to monitor our phone conversations without our knowledge, subpeona, or anything else.  Hmmmmmm.
All they have to say is....Gee, we "thought" there might be an issue with this person regarding terrorrism.  Sorry.
It's a slow squeeze.  Spoon feeding.



Of course our founders left us with a plan to handle precisely that event as can be seen here:

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IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America



hen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm


http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/

 




Lots of people forget that part and it turns most federalists stomachs over to think ultimate power is in the hands of the people and not the government.



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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 11:32:34 AM   
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real, I have heard allegations about cell phones being used to listen and track you at all times, but never seen any evidence of the listening part.  They do beep in periodically, so the network knows where the phone is, when on stanndby/cover closed and on.

Mstrss venus, there is nothing about GPS tracking in the article you cited.  I had never heard of hose boxes though.  They keep data for 5 seconds, then record over, and are used to show what speed a chrash happened at (and the conditions of the car for the 5 seconds before the chrash), and whether the brakes were hit.  Interesting stuff, I am not sure it is big brother. 

You gave a link to an actuall story on NBC news, did you mean to post something to Prision Planet and what Jones pretends the story says?  Is that where the GPS claim is?

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 11:43:32 AM   
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Did we vote on this?  Does it violate our constitutional right to privacy?  We all have our views, of course.  But do they matter?  I think the evidence is continuing to mount that our "views" are beside the point.  We've lost our voice.  AND, we're continuing to LET THEM take our voice.  Unless they are monitoring it, of course, through the wonderful patriot act and their right to monitor our phone conversations without our knowledge, subpeona, or anything else.  Hmmmmmm.


Did you mean a warrant?  I can't quite figure out how a subpoena allows monitoring of anything. 

And as far as the Constitution goes, where does it guarantee us the right of privacy out in public on the streets? 

So far your link only talks about getting a warrant, which is about as constitutional as it gets, to find out how fast and in what direction you were driving your vehicle out in the open, after something happens (like a wreck) to suggest that a crime may have taken place.  Police already use that information against drivers, and they get it from measuring skid marks, talking to witnesses, etc.


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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 11:49:33 AM   
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I do recall a story about an Onstar device being turned on to listen mode after a warrant had been issued.

The Cell Phone GPS thing was not "Secretly put in" they were installed as part of the 911 compliance so that when you called 911 they could locate you to a certain degree. It was not secret at all. In fact I recall the story being pretty prevelent on the news trying to sell folks on the idea. "Ms X was in her car rolled down an embankment and died 2 days later because her 911 call could not be traced and she couldn't tell the operator where she was with any accuracy." Add to that anything that has "turn by turn" directions has to be able to know where it is. But even so the cell phone GPS have generally been pretty wide area things not even within 1000 feet radius, thus the reason the Mt Hood Hikers died before they could be rescued a couple years back. Until they put in the GPS chips for turn by turn directions.

Am I worried about how the law will treat the new technologies sure I am, but I'm much more worried about corporations putting in the scanners than the government.
Walk in the store, it scans your credit card and ATM card, they then know your ballances and they access your past purcahses, not only here but at other stores that share information. They then watch your purchases and target you for advertisements based on the information they gather. Additionally identity theft by criminals with scanners.
Lots of scarey things could happen with the technology. What's worse is they will sell the technology to us all because it makes things "easier and safer" just like they have with the Onstar Systems.

I'm worried by the technology, but it's not exactl like there are many ways you can avoid it. They will phase out non chipped not networked tools until you have only the chipped versions to work with.

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 11:53:26 AM   
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And as far as the Constitution goes, where does it guarantee us the right of privacy out in public on the streets? 


Not only does it not, but it does not according to the supreme court, and goes a little farther than that, in that monitoring your radio waves from cell phones and whatnot is supposed to be allowed because 'any reasonable man' would not assume privacy in such public usage, even from the swimming pool in your living room. Of course, this does not extend to you intercepting digital signals from the TV fellers, wholly different sort of thing.

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 11:58:36 AM   
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but I'm much more worried about corporations putting in the scanners than the government.


Like the toilet that was introduced in Japan which monitored employee's stool and urine for signs of drug use, pregnancy, and precursors to diseases like cancer or diabetes?

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 12:22:29 PM   
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Mstrss venus, there is nothing about GPS tracking in the article you cited.


Please see the quote below from the article.  Slow down when you read. 

""But that may be about to change," Parker said. "Tucked under car seats and mounted in dashboards of millions of cars on the road today is a little-known device tracking a car's every move."
REF: http://www.prisonplanet.com/black_box_in_your_car.html


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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 12:27:56 PM   
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but I'm much more worried about corporations putting in the scanners than the government.


Hahahahha!!!  And who do you think runs the government?  THE CORPORATIONS!!


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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 12:35:27 PM   
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Lots of people forget that part and it turns most federalists stomachs over to think ultimate power is in the hands of the people and not the government.


I'm glad thats there.  But it would take a dissertation for me to explain why I think this is almost useless.
Suffice it to say, as long as we NEVER let them take our right to bear arms, we will always be able to overthrow our Govt should it become more than we can tolerate.  History has proven that many totaliatarian governments began the process of becoming that by removing their people's right to bear arms, first.


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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 1:35:48 PM   
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I'm much more worried about corporations putting in the scanners than the government.
Walk in the store, it scans your credit card and ATM card, they then know your ballances and they access your past purcahses, not only here but at other stores that share information. They then watch your purchases and target you for advertisements based on the information they gather. Additionally identity theft by criminals with scanners.
Lots of scarey things could happen with the technology. What's worse is they will sell the technology to us all because it makes things "easier and safer" just like they have with the Onstar Systems.

I'm worried by the technology, but it's not exactl like there are many ways you can avoid it. They will phase out non chipped not networked tools until you have only the chipped versions to work with.



Yes and the corporations in effect are the government.  The government as in the traitor Sc at that time gave straw man entities (corporations), "rights" in 1886.

It took this long for it to scare the living shit out of people, not that people in their own time zone did not know and protest it "Real time".

Technically the governemnt is a corporation!

Yeh now that we are starting to feel how much our rights have been swept under the table since we have been snoozing for long its starting to hurt and a lot of people are starting to feel the pain.

I have said it many times you have seen nothing yet if we do not turn it around.

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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 2:48:03 PM   
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And as far as the Constitution goes, where does it guarantee us the right of privacy out in public on the streets? 


Not only does it not, but it does not according to the supreme court, and goes a little farther than that, in that monitoring your radio waves from cell phones and whatnot is supposed to be allowed because 'any reasonable man' would not assume privacy in such public usage, even from the swimming pool in your living room. Of course, this does not extend to you intercepting digital signals from the TV fellers, wholly different sort of thing.

Ron  



Good one ron!   The corporationss have protection from us but not the other way around.  Funny how that did a 180 since the inceptiojn of this country!


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RE: Please tell me its a hoax!!! - 2/7/2008 5:16:01 PM   
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Mstrs Venus, that is refering to the Boxes in newer cars already, that record Data for 5 seconds then erase it.  You can pretend it means anything you like, but it doesn't say what you claimed it did.

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