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HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/7/2005 4:16:07 PM

MistressDidi

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Really, this is too horrible, but here's the story:
http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/090705/new_evac001.shtml

That means the animals will die slow deaths! I could NEVER leave My precious pets behind. That would be like leaving My child or My Mother behind to die a slow death!

ASPCA Efforts in Baton Rouge
http://dogs.about.com/library/various/blbatonrouge.htm

ASPCA members and volunteers have set up shelter in Baton Rouge's John M. Parker Coliseum for lost and displaced pets. More and more pets are pouring in and through the efforts of the people working, hopefully all will be reunited with their owners in record time.

CLICK HERE IF YOU WISH TO DONATE OR please go to www.aspca.org, call 866-275-3923, or mail your donation to ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund 424 East 92nd New York 10128.

The ASPCA has set up databases to help reunite pets and owners, and to register volunteers for the relief efforts. Please email your information and a description of the lost pet including name and breed to [email protected] or register via telephone at (212)876-7700, ext 4700. The ASPCA is unable to accept photos at this time.

If you would like to volunteer, please contact the ASPCA disaster relief department via email at [email protected] or telephone at (212) 876-7700, ext 4700.

Noah's Wish
http://dogs.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.noahswish.org/

Noah's Wish is a rescue organization dedicating to preserving animal life during disasters through evacuation and housing. You can check their front page for updates on the Louisiana situation, as well as information on how you can help.

Thank You for Your consideration and caring!

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/8/2005 8:26:42 AM

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we can get to them when all the people have been saved- I love animals- but people come first-

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/10/2005 1:46:24 PM

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Perhaps, My perspective is different from yours because I am dealing with My own losses in New Orleans and much to My disgust, I continue to see that far too many people are not worth saving.

And perhaps, My past experience of saving lives and having ungrateful creeps attempt to sue Me for breaking their floating ribs while delivering the Heimlich Maneuver to save them from choking, makes Me prefer animals to most people.

Animals are innocent and at the mercy of these things called "people" and the idiot-in-chief who is satisfied with his cronies botching up the rescue efforts.

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/10/2005 3:14:46 PM

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My husband and I made a donation to our local SPCA to be sent to the animal victims of Katrina.
We have three cats and a dog, they are like our kids and I can't imagine having to leave them behind in a disaster.
The big problem I have, is that humans at least may have a choice to leave or stay while animals have no choice.

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/11/2005 2:27:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDidi

far too many people are not worth saving.

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I'm not going to argue that some people's lives are not worth much- specially the lives of those who do harm to others- but it would be hard to point them out just by looking at them- I also agree that animals can only help themselves up to a certain point- but even then- I still want efforts and money spent on people first-

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/12/2005 4:01:32 PM

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I was just talking on the phone with a member of these forums still trapped inside his home, because of the mere fact he doesn't want to leave his animals behind.

No car at the moment. The nearest help of any kind is Baton Rouge which is hard to get to without transportation. No red cross and no fema. Just the residents of the community all of whom did not evacuate and abandon their pets.

None of whom know how to get out. Once you leave the city you are not allowed back in. Nobody outside of the city is allowed back in. 6pm curfew.
So many have already abandoned their animals they are running the streets. These are the stories we need to see on the nightly news. The real stories, not the ones that are hacked for content.
Then these people would get the help they deserve.

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/25/2005 4:09:18 PM

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Thank YOU!

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/25/2005 4:10:17 PM

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So, does that mean you actually made a donation to help those people you care about coming first so much?

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/25/2005 5:01:49 PM

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My only cause is save the Otters

But I'm an army of one....LOL

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 9/25/2005 5:16:43 PM

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deleted because it fell outside of the spirit of my original post on this issue.

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/6/2005 10:37:41 AM

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/6/2005 11:43:03 AM

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How is it going now that over a month has passed? I know my friends finally got out and could come back in.
Yet, I've also received e-mail just yesterday stating some houses have still not been searched. A 71 year old woman was just re-covered. Hole in the roof but they left the woman behind.

Is New Orleans drying up...all of it, yet?

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/6/2005 8:30:18 PM

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USA Today just ran a story about rescuing New Orleans pets.

quote:

Five weeks after the flooding began, animal rescue teams continue to fan across New Orleans and surrounding parishes every day at dawn in a race against diminishing odds. They gather up hundreds of desperate pets every day - more than 8,000 so far. And they leave behind fresh water and dry food for the dogs and cats roaming the streets that rescuers do not have enough staff to find or collect.
<snip>
More than 1,000 veterinarians, animal control officers and activists from state chapters of the ASPCA are involved in rescue efforts here. About 80 animals were so aggressive or so close to death when they were rescued that they were euthanized, Pacelle says. But most rescued pets bounce back quickly once they receive food and water.
<snip>
The Humane Society is urging Congress to pass a bill that would require state and local emergency management agencies that receive federal funding to allow pets to be included in evacuation plans.

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 10:27:23 AM

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Frankly, I find the whole pet issue highly offensive.

I propose a law that allows rescue workers to shoot animals on sight instead of wasting space that would be better used for human beings during evacuations.
I also propose that this new law state that parents who do not allow their children to be evacuated because of the pet issue be shot on sight as well.
Finally, I propose that pet owners who do not evacuate if there is more than 12 hours notice of an impending disaster be charged with crimes ranging from animal cruelty to reckless endangerment (of the human rescuers) if a rescue effort must later be made on their behalf.

Where will it end? First pets, then what? Family heirlooms? Art? Extensive baseball card collections?

Jeez, everyone has a cause. It must give the ASPCA lots of warm fuzzies to put the lives of pets before the lives of children and the elderly. Heaven forbid anyone carry someone elses child on their lap during an emergency if the family pit bull can take it's place...

Before someone says something stupid, like "Taking pets won't effect the rescue effort adversly." consider this. In an evacuation, 5 or 6 small animals or 1 large dog will take up the same amount of space as a small child. In a rescue effort, the rescuers are often risking their lives as well. For every space that cannot be used for a human being, rescuers must make more trips under dangerous conditions to save people. This is a waste of precious time and resources.

If someone wants to stay behind to die because because Spot isn't allowed on the truck, let them. It's a free country. Anyone is free to value the lives of animals over their own life, and more power to them. Just don't bitch when someone comes along who values your life more than your flea bait.

I've said this on other boards: New Orleans is a a city in a pit next to an ocean. Katrina was not a tragedy, it was inevitable. This was Darwinism in action.

-SD-

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 10:31:23 AM

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When did you get out of prison? Mass murder, right?

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 10:56:25 AM

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quote:

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When did you get out of prison? Mass murder, right?

Just because I don't have any sympathy for suicide by stupidity makes me a mass murderer? Brilliant.

Come on now. Idiotic remarks like that have nothing to do with the issue. Since you seem to value animal life over human life, lets hear your case.

-SD-

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 11:22:20 AM

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quote:

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When did you get out of prison? Mass murder, right?

Don't feed the trolls. It only attracts them.

[sad smile]

This is clearly a cry for help... that shouldn't be answered

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 12:23:34 PM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

When did you get out of prison? Mass murder, right?

Don't feed the trolls. It only attracts them.

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This is clearly a cry for help... that shouldn't be answered

John, you're generally pretty straightforward. Just to avoid confusion this time, you might be a little more clear on your statements here.

I'm prone to believe that your comment about trolls was directed to me. After all, my post was a little apathetic for a lot of folks. Even, shall I say, offensive in nature? However, since you qoute sub4hire, she may well see it as being directed at her. Unfortunately, other readers may think that you posted your remarks towards sub4hire as well. Should they think that, then you will undoubtedly become an equal target of such comments as "When did you get out of prison..." in following posts.

Lets assume (for the duration of this post) that your comments are directed at me. If indeed you disagree with me, I would love to hear your thoughts on the lives of animals being more important than the lives of people. I would love to hear the rational explanation behind such thinking. If you have no opinion, and just want to make a jab at what I've posted, then it's hardly convincing enough to show me the error of my thinking on the matter. I'm a big boy. I can handle a dissenting opinion. I actually enjoy a good debate.

But this is not about me. I'm concerned for you John. I would hate to see someone give you a rash of shit because of a vague post. Worse, I would hate to see you in a position that might threaten your reputation here because someone misunderstands your post. Lets face it, I did not post a P.C. dissertation pandering to the masses. I posted what I see as some hard, cold truth. By the time they get to your post, who knows how pissed off and irrational some people here might be, y'know...

-SD-

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 1:02:37 PM

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I can understand your thought process. But then, I disagree that a family pet is less than any person on this earth. But(lol - I am all buts)... Ido believe that if people have a pet or pets, then its up to them to take care of them. Something I would ay about your post, is that to me - your reaction is similar to the women and children first analagy - and I don't agree with that either... not sure if that explains my position - lol.

As for katrina not being a disaster but a darwin in action analagy, I do agree with you. I, as an individual, work very hard to secure my enviroment - and I will do the most I can to do all I can do - but I am not naive enough to not see and understand evolution. It does happen - is happens all the time. I do think that people should stop looking at these occurences as disasters or acts of some higher power or God and actually learn from it instead. Then if people actually did learn, those animals wouldn't be suffering, and nor would humans.

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RE: HELP Katrina Pet Victims - Govt REFUSES rescue! - 10/8/2005 2:35:17 PM

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quote:

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I can understand your thought process. But then, I disagree that a family pet is less than any person on this earth. But(lol - I am all buts)... Ido believe that if people have a pet or pets, then its up to them to take care of them. Something I would ay about your post, is that to me - your reaction is similar to the women and children first analagy - and I don't agree with that either... not sure if that explains my position - lol.

I'm sure you'll understand my confusion to the first half of your post. I've read it and re-read it several times, and it still doesn't make sense to me. I'd like to explore this a bit, if you don't mind.

What I'm getting is that pets=people. I'm confused about whether or not you believe that pets should be treated as equal to people during a rescue effort, or if the owners should be responsible for getting them out before disaster strikes, rather than risking the lives of rescuers for the sake of their pets later.

This confused me about your thoughts on not agreeing with the women and children first analogy. Since my post is directed at people who believe pets should be treated as equal to people, not women and children before men (as in a sinking ship) it sounds like you think it should be a first come first serve / pet or people thing without regard to species.

So, what I'm reading is that if a single child dies so someones pet might live, that you don't have a problem with it because pets=people anyway...

I really hope you're going to clarify that for me, because thats a pretty hard concept for me to grasp, and I honestly don't think thats what you mean to imply. Unfortunately, taking the paragraph as a whole, I have no idea what else you might have meant.

-SD-

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