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hardbodysub -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 10:40:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub I always thought "no strings" really meant "no strings": no play, no chance of anything. That meant "no interest", as far as I'm concerned. After reading Lady Hibiscus's reply, it appears that there are at least two interpretations. If no strings means nothing in particular is promised by the dominant, but there's still the possibility, if not likelihood, of some "play", that's entirely another matter! "Reward" could also mean that I feed you, or give you a pat on the head. Of course it could.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 10:41:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist No blow job for doing the dishes. But you might get one for COOKING.

hardbodysub -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 10:56:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn A lot of the responses here are why I actually stopped advertising as a service submissive. For me, a no strings housework relationship simply meant that I didn't show up expecting to be played with or that my fetish "desires" were going to be catered to on an equal basis. But what it didn't mean was that I was expecting to come and clean and then leave with no actual intimacy involved in the relationship. Having done this sort of relationship a number of times in the past, there was never this "go paint my house and go home" attitude from the women who were dominants. This seems to be more of an artifact left over since the Internet took over, where people define relationships on dictionary definitions rather than talking out a relationship between two people. What this has resulted in is this "fantasy" a lot of women have that there are these guys out there who are ONLY interested in just cleaning. And because one or two women in the past have actually found someone of this nature, or believe they have, EVERYONE is convinced she can find just that. It turns service submissives who do serve because they love to serve a woman who desires to be their owner into something they aren't, where we're often told we're not "real" service submissives because we have unrealistic expectations, like a bit of attention every now and then. It's why I gave up. It just wasn't worth the hassle anymore, no matter how sincere you were. You nailed it, littlesarbonn. It's ludicrous to conceive of any guy wanting to simply do housework, with nothing else involved, for a so-called dominant who does absolutely nothing to create and nurture a D/s relationship. If such guys exist at all, there can't be more than a few of them. The replies regarding the sub's desire or need to serve the Master/Mistress unconditionally, ala the "true submissive", via this no-strings housework are pretty one-dimensional, ignoring what it takes to be considered Master/Mistress in the first place. It's a different story if the domme/sub dynamic is already established between the two people, but for a dominant to expect this out of the blue from a stranger is pretty absurd.

BitchGoddessD -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 11:07:54 AM)
For me, no strings housework is a way to find out whether someone is sincere in their desire to serve me. I do want a sub for play but I want to get to know someone first. The relationship will build over time only if it works for both. I explain my point of view to all potential subs. It is amazing how many go poof when they learn that I won't be doing any play until I have trust in them which will not happen immediately. My experiences have brought me to this decision. I wish that it would be understood that we all have our own definitions based on each individual's point of view. I try hard to not make assumptions about others and ask merely for the same.

Zaraseeks -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 11:15:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn A lot of the responses here are why I actually stopped advertising as a service submissive. For me, a no strings housework relationship simply meant that I didn't show up expecting to be played with or that my fetish "desires" were going to be catered to on an equal basis. But what it didn't mean was that I was expecting to come and clean and then leave with no actual intimacy involved in the relationship. Having done this sort of relationship a number of times in the past, there was never this "go paint my house and go home" attitude from the women who were dominants. This seems to be more of an artifact left over since the Internet took over, where people define relationships on dictionary definitions rather than talking out a relationship between two people. What this has resulted in is this "fantasy" a lot of women have that there are these guys out there who are ONLY interested in just cleaning. And because one or two women in the past have actually found someone of this nature, or believe they have, EVERYONE is convinced she can find just that. It turns service submissives who do serve because they love to serve a woman who desires to be their owner into something they aren't, where we're often told we're not "real" service submissives because we have unrealistic expectations, like a bit of attention every now and then. It's why I gave up. It just wasn't worth the hassle anymore, no matter how sincere you were. stands and claps Thank you, this is pretty on the mark. Though every once in a while I will meet a lady who I would love to just go clean Her house and that be honestly all I expect, cause I get in that head space of "I have to please" but its rare

LadyPact -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 11:34:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist No blow job for doing the dishes. But you might get one for COOKING. Only if it comes with a fantastic chocolate desert.

meticulousgirl -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 12:01:22 PM)
it just means no expectations, no scening, no sex.... ~meticulous~

MissMagnolia -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 3:53:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn You nailed it, littlesarbonn. It's ludicrous to conceive of any guy wanting to simply do housework, with nothing else involved, for a so-called dominant who does absolutely nothing to create and nurture a D/s relationship. If such guys exist at all, there can't be more than a few of them. The replies regarding the sub's desire or need to serve the Master/Mistress unconditionally, ala the "true submissive", via this no-strings housework are pretty one-dimensional, ignoring what it takes to be considered Master/Mistress in the first place. It's a different story if the domme/sub dynamic is already established between the two people, but for a dominant to expect this out of the blue from a stranger is pretty absurd. YOU may find it ludicrous, many do not. You and littlesarbonn may be in complete agreement, but guess what? There are millions who disagree and adore simply serving. I have met many subs who love serving in any way, because it brings them joy, they love to get a smile and a thank you and they feel useful. Not you kink? Who cares? Don't knock other peoples kinks. The replies given may be one dimensional to YOU. I see people responding fully to the original question of this thread. In your ever so vast experience of being a Master/Mistress, I'm happy that you know that you are the one person in the universe who can define what constitutes a M/s dynamic. Oh, hang on you don't. YOU are the only one bring up the "twue submissive" term. What is submission to you, may be nothing whatsoever like submission to half the population. There was also no mention in the OP of a long term D/s relationship, or of a short term one. The OP asked a question that was answered. Whether you like the answers or not is immaterial. Whether you agree or not is also immaterial. OP, you will find that the majority of Dommes will be very clear on what is expected and what is not, before you even getting to the house. No Domme will tell you that a scene will ensue once the laundry is done, if that is not the case. No Domme will expect you to clean until you drop, or miss work, or anything else of that nature. Dommes are human beings who, believe it or not, have a full comprehension of human emotions and physiological limits. If you are unclear on something when a Domme requests something of you, ask her what she meant. It's that simple. Dommes are more than ready to tell you what they mean, to avoid confusion. We know that you can't possibly read minds. Just ask.

AAkasha -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 4:31:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn You nailed it, littlesarbonn. It's ludicrous to conceive of any guy wanting to simply do housework, with nothing else involved, for a so-called dominant who does absolutely nothing to create and nurture a D/s relationship. If such guys exist at all, there can't be more than a few of them. The replies regarding the sub's desire or need to serve the Master/Mistress unconditionally, ala the "true submissive", via this no-strings housework are pretty one-dimensional, ignoring what it takes to be considered Master/Mistress in the first place. It's a different story if the domme/sub dynamic is already established between the two people, but for a dominant to expect this out of the blue from a stranger is pretty absurd. YOU may find it ludicrous, many do not. You and littlesarbonn may be in complete agreement, but guess what? There are millions who disagree and adore simply serving. I have met many subs who love serving in any way, because it brings them joy, they love to get a smile and a thank you and they feel useful. Not you kink? Who cares? Don't knock other peoples kinks. The replies given may be one dimensional to YOU. I see people responding fully to the original question of this thread. In your ever so vast experience of being a Master/Mistress, I'm happy that you know that you are the one person in the universe who can define what constitutes a M/s dynamic. Oh, hang on you don't. YOU are the only one bring up the "twue submissive" term. What is submission to you, may be nothing whatsoever like submission to half the population. There was also no mention in the OP of a long term D/s relationship, or of a short term one. The OP asked a question that was answered. Whether you like the answers or not is immaterial. Whether you agree or not is also immaterial. OP, you will find that the majority of Dommes will be very clear on what is expected and what is not, before you even getting to the house. No Domme will tell you that a scene will ensue once the laundry is done, if that is not the case. No Domme will expect you to clean until you drop, or miss work, or anything else of that nature. Dommes are human beings who, believe it or not, have a full comprehension of human emotions and physiological limits. If you are unclear on something when a Domme requests something of you, ask her what she meant. It's that simple. Dommes are more than ready to tell you what they mean, to avoid confusion. We know that you can't possibly read minds. Just ask. Exactly. Once again, communication is key. Service submissives that try to position themselves as "not requiring anything in return" then later sulk that they got that have no right to sulk. If they said up front "I will do x for you and you will do y for me," and the femdom then flaked on her end of the agreement, that's another story. The problem with many service submissives is they are not FULLY honest about what they need in return - nuturing, affection, attention, praise, punishment? What is it, and how much of it? It takes TWO people to screw up a relationship. If femdoms were not being fair to them when they agreed to enter service, both parties were not talking about the parameters. Don't blame the femdom for unrealistic expectations. I tried my hand on service subs and houseboys, and found them stealing my panties, not getting anything done, and wanting to be supervised. I hired a maid instead. I made it clear what I wanted, and in one case was told he would never seek out an INTIMATE relationship with me, only to have a sulking houseboy a few days later who I had to get to confess to me he was upset I wasn't going to give him a "chance" physically (ie, sex, or strap on, or oral worship, which were never on the table to begin with). Both people have to be honest with themselves and their partners. Akasha

LadyHibiscus -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 5:12:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist No blow job for doing the dishes. But you might get one for COOKING. Only if it comes with a fantastic chocolate desert. Well yes, it DOES have to be a meal that I really really REALLY enjoy.

GreedyTop -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 5:26:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn A lot of the responses here are why I actually stopped advertising as a service submissive. For me, a no strings housework relationship simply meant that I didn't show up expecting to be played with or that my fetish "desires" were going to be catered to on an equal basis. But what it didn't mean was that I was expecting to come and clean and then leave with no actual intimacy involved in the relationship. Having done this sort of relationship a number of times in the past, there was never this "go paint my house and go home" attitude from the women who were dominants. This seems to be more of an artifact left over since the Internet took over, where people define relationships on dictionary definitions rather than talking out a relationship between two people. What this has resulted in is this "fantasy" a lot of women have that there are these guys out there who are ONLY interested in just cleaning. And because one or two women in the past have actually found someone of this nature, or believe they have, EVERYONE is convinced she can find just that. It turns service submissives who do serve because they love to serve a woman who desires to be their owner into something they aren't, where we're often told we're not "real" service submissives because we have unrealistic expectations, like a bit of attention every now and then. It's why I gave up. It just wasn't worth the hassle anymore, no matter how sincere you were. This makes sense to me. But would you mind defining 'intimacy', please? To me, intmacy can be as simple as a touch on the hand...

DiurnalVampire -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 5:45:52 PM)
When I refer to no-strings housework, I mean that I expect someone to concentrate on the work they are doing and not concern themselves with whatever might or might not result from it. Like Fox had mentioned, proper cleaning and maintaining a home takes work. He makes me happy by getting the chores done. Sometimes, that means he will get extra special treatment during playtime. Sometimes, it means he will get a phone call saying thank you since he had already left before I got home. The point is, though, that he isnt cleaning or helping me clean to stock up points in my god column to cash in at a later time. He isnt trying to make himself look better and hoping I will make it up to him. It is just what he is expected to do. I have had service only, nonsexual submissives before who never considered anything beyond what they were asked to do. For them, I made dinner (even if theyhad to do the dishes) and that was thanks enough. For others, it has been snuggling on the couch, or simply a hug and a "good boy" or "good girl". DV

Gwynvyd -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 9:35:58 PM)
This is why I have been squicky about the "Service Oriented" subs. I simply do not bother. My subs do not tribute.. they dont do house cleaning... except for my girl who is a house wife. I have had many male subs request to be a service oriented sub. I have tried in the past before I had my family.. but as Aakasha posted so many ended up being the sulking or beligerant sort who didnt tell me what they needed, and didnt fit in. Recently I had a few new requests.. and I just couldnt entertain it. I hate to say it.. but some very bad apples ruined the bunch. I would rather have an honest, you know if I am going to do XYZ for you.. I need you to do this for me. Mind you that might get them the boot right off the bat as I am the sort that doesnt take kindly to that shit. I took this from another posting.. and put it on my Journal a while back. "A person should not choose the form in which he wishes to perform the service, but he should perform it in any manner the opportunity affords. He should be like a vessel into which anything may be poured - wine, milk, or water." - Abraham Joshua Heschel I like people to serve me out of willingness of thier own heart, and what is within them. Seeing that makes me want to give of myself and my time to them. But if they come off as greedy, "well I did this what are you going to do for me?" They can go fuck themselves. As I will have nothing to do with them. I think that is where so many people go wrong in the "No strings housework" and why I simply will not allow any one into my home for it. I do not want to be beholden to anyone for shit. Why open myself up to it? Just my two ducats, keep the change. Gwyn

MistressScarlot -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 9:51:10 PM)
I have been blessed to have a couple of amazing houseboys in my time. I'm a very private person. To me....allowing a boy to clean my things, my home, is an act of intimacy. He learns to care for my things...and at the same time, he learns to care for me. It takes a lot of work and time to correctly train a houseboy to your own liking, and I'm not even going to talk about the process of finding someone trustworthy and suitable in the first place. Taking care of my things is taking care of ME at a very basic ground level. To me it's an act of love. I give my current houseboy a lot of attention, not because he expects it or manipulates for it or asks for it, but because he earns it by doing his best for me and making my life better. I /want/ to give him attention, because he inspires it by taking care of me. I don't think of it as "just chores". The care and pride he takes in doing things the way /I/ like them and want them done speaks for the fact that he doesn't, either. That has been one trait in every good houseboy I've ever had. (I could tell some /stories/ about the terrible ones!! but that's for a different thread. ;) )

hardbodysub -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 10:23:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn You nailed it, littlesarbonn. It's ludicrous to conceive of any guy wanting to simply do housework, with nothing else involved, for a so-called dominant who does absolutely nothing to create and nurture a D/s relationship. If such guys exist at all, there can't be more than a few of them. The replies regarding the sub's desire or need to serve the Master/Mistress unconditionally, ala the "true submissive", via this no-strings housework are pretty one-dimensional, ignoring what it takes to be considered Master/Mistress in the first place. It's a different story if the domme/sub dynamic is already established between the two people, but for a dominant to expect this out of the blue from a stranger is pretty absurd. YOU may find it ludicrous, many do not. You and littlesarbonn may be in complete agreement, but guess what? There are millions who disagree and adore simply serving. I have met many subs who love serving in any way, because it brings them joy, they love to get a smile and a thank you and they feel useful. Not you kink? Who cares? Don't knock other peoples kinks. The replies given may be one dimensional to YOU. I see people responding fully to the original question of this thread. In your ever so vast experience of being a Master/Mistress, I'm happy that you know that you are the one person in the universe who can define what constitutes a M/s dynamic. Oh, hang on you don't. YOU are the only one bring up the "twue submissive" term. What is submission to you, may be nothing whatsoever like submission to half the population. There was also no mention in the OP of a long term D/s relationship, or of a short term one. The OP asked a question that was answered. Whether you like the answers or not is immaterial. Whether you agree or not is also immaterial. OP, you will find that the majority of Dommes will be very clear on what is expected and what is not, before you even getting to the house. No Domme will tell you that a scene will ensue once the laundry is done, if that is not the case. No Domme will expect you to clean until you drop, or miss work, or anything else of that nature. Dommes are human beings who, believe it or not, have a full comprehension of human emotions and physiological limits. If you are unclear on something when a Domme requests something of you, ask her what she meant. It's that simple. Dommes are more than ready to tell you what they mean, to avoid confusion. We know that you can't possibly read minds. Just ask. The size of the chip on your shoulder never ceases to amaze me. If you exercised just a lick of objectivity and logic, you might recognize several things: (1) I did not presume to speak for anyone but myself. (2) You, on the other hand, do presume to speak for not only yourself, but for all dommes, as well as "millions" who you insist agree with you. (3) Your response to the "true submissive" reference makes no sense. Of course I was the first to mention it in this thread; I was clearly drawing a parallel between that concept and the "no strings" idea. (4) The same goes for your comment about a D/s relationship not being mentioned in the OP. So what? My point was that the existence or lack of such a relationship can have a bearing on the definition and understanding of "no strings". (5) I don't have any less right to state my opinions than you do. You don't like this. Too bad. (6) A review of the other responses in this thread reveals that there is a large range of opinions regarding "No Strings". You're not the only one whose opinion counts. (7) Your lack of ability to recognize the relevance of (3), (4), and (5), and (6) is immaterial. And astounding. Have a nice day!

daddyncherry -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 11:03:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner4SexSlave NSA house cleaning means just that! That you will clean house without making a game out of it. NSA house cleaning is not some neurotic outlet or relationship power piece to play. But but, Master Fire Maam posted a thread a couple weeks ago about a site called Chore Wars...it does EXACTLY that, makes it a game LOL and now thanks to MFM i am addicted to it[:)]...awww shucks...now i can't play games anymore[;)] quote: Do you see some of the many different strings? Hell some people will clean house big time before asking for permission to do something, or making some other request. Just because you cleaned house doe not mean your Master/Dom will automatically grant you permission or your request. Whew.... In seriousness....my Daddy is one who doesn't really remark much on things, and i think that is one way he uses (just me trying to understand) to make it so i cannot manipulate things such as you describe....i clean or i don't, he doesn't say much either way (except for his laundry)...but i do tend to clean quite alot, trying to make his returning home a happy experience, and a comfortable place to be in.....i never do it to get anything, or expect anything in return (i mean i am his slave, and he does take great care of me, i'd be just an ungrateful ASSHOLE if i didn't take care of him to the best of my ability) but i expect nothing else...he keeps a roof over my head, food in my mouth etc.... i used to totally hope to be acknowledged, so that i would know what makes him happy and have validation that i had pleased him, but without that acknowledgement, i do what i do just because i hope to make home a good place for him and i get emense pleasure in doing all of it for him....i also KNOW that i wouldn't do it for myself.

breatheasone -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/6/2008 11:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam It means you have to hotglue the apron to you 'cause no strings are allowed. Master Fire Ok ok, a real answer....this means that you perform domestic duties with no expectation of play, sex or money. You do it because of how you feel when you serve. Master Fire - still OMG....this is the 1st time I read something that made me spray my monitor with soda!.....LMAO...Thanks alot Ma'am! [8D]

MissMagnolia -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/7/2008 2:00:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia quote: ORIGINAL: hardbodysub quote: ORIGINAL: littlesarbonn You nailed it, littlesarbonn. It's ludicrous to conceive of any guy wanting to simply do housework, with nothing else involved, for a so-called dominant who does absolutely nothing to create and nurture a D/s relationship. If such guys exist at all, there can't be more than a few of them. The replies regarding the sub's desire or need to serve the Master/Mistress unconditionally, ala the "true submissive", via this no-strings housework are pretty one-dimensional, ignoring what it takes to be considered Master/Mistress in the first place. It's a different story if the domme/sub dynamic is already established between the two people, but for a dominant to expect this out of the blue from a stranger is pretty absurd. YOU may find it ludicrous, many do not. You and littlesarbonn may be in complete agreement, but guess what? There are millions who disagree and adore simply serving. I have met many subs who love serving in any way, because it brings them joy, they love to get a smile and a thank you and they feel useful. Not you kink? Who cares? Don't knock other peoples kinks. The replies given may be one dimensional to YOU. I see people responding fully to the original question of this thread. In your ever so vast experience of being a Master/Mistress, I'm happy that you know that you are the one person in the universe who can define what constitutes a M/s dynamic. Oh, hang on you don't. YOU are the only one bring up the "twue submissive" term. What is submission to you, may be nothing whatsoever like submission to half the population. There was also no mention in the OP of a long term D/s relationship, or of a short term one. The OP asked a question that was answered. Whether you like the answers or not is immaterial. Whether you agree or not is also immaterial. OP, you will find that the majority of Dommes will be very clear on what is expected and what is not, before you even getting to the house. No Domme will tell you that a scene will ensue once the laundry is done, if that is not the case. No Domme will expect you to clean until you drop, or miss work, or anything else of that nature. Dommes are human beings who, believe it or not, have a full comprehension of human emotions and physiological limits. If you are unclear on something when a Domme requests something of you, ask her what she meant. It's that simple. Dommes are more than ready to tell you what they mean, to avoid confusion. We know that you can't possibly read minds. Just ask. The size of the chip on your shoulder never ceases to amaze me. If you exercised just a lick of objectivity and logic, you might recognize several things: (1) I did not presume to speak for anyone but myself. (2) You, on the other hand, do presume to speak for not only yourself, but for all dommes, as well as "millions" who you insist agree with you. (3) Your response to the "true submissive" reference makes no sense. Of course I was the first to mention it in this thread; I was clearly drawing a parallel between that concept and the "no strings" idea. (4) The same goes for your comment about a D/s relationship not being mentioned in the OP. So what? My point was that the existence or lack of such a relationship can have a bearing on the definition and understanding of "no strings". (5) I don't have any less right to state my opinions than you do. You don't like this. Too bad. (6) A review of the other responses in this thread reveals that there is a large range of opinions regarding "No Strings". You're not the only one whose opinion counts. (7) Your lack of ability to recognize the relevance of (3), (4), and (5), and (6) is immaterial. And astounding. Have a nice day! As I have said before, in threads other than this, you presume to think you speak for other subs. Only ONE agreed with you. You are so far off the mark it isn't funny. You can state all you like, but I also have the option of telling you that you know nothing much, apart from your own inflated sense of self. Funnily enough, I think I have a fairer idea of the ways a Domme thinks than a sub male, unless you also have a vagina and are in fact a female and a Domme? As you seem a little thick, I will reiterate, slowly and in BIG letters. I remarked on the the responses of the Dommes in this thread, to the question posed by the OP. Get it? THIS THREAD?? OP??SEE??? Where you got the idea that I dislike you having an opinion, I don't know. Believe it or not, your "opinions" are of little importance to me. I admit, I don't like you personally, because you act like an arrogant, know it all, arsehole in every thread I've seen you post on. You come up with irrelevant points, you pinpoint on remarks that were made in reference to a completely different matter, you have Domme bashed on more than one occasion and seem to actually dislike women. Are you sure you're not a closet misogynist? In almost every post I've ever seen of yours, you're bitching about what a Domme did wrong, what a Domme did to piss you off, blah, blah, blah. I think you just don't like being called on the bullshit you spout. And by a woman. Oh god!! How dare she? As I clearly said, it's not YOUR kink, but it is the kink of MANY. Don't knock someone elses kinks. Get over yourself little fellow, grow a brain, get a clue and stop trying to speak for ANYONE. When males such as you learn to listen, perhaps you would have more luck in finding a Domme. Oh, and do try very, very hard to stick to the thread subject matter in future.

nakedthinker -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/7/2008 2:13:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam Ok ok, a real answer....this means that you perform domestic duties with no expectation of play, sex or money. You do it because of how you feel when you serve. If someone wants to work on cleaning my house for no expectation of play, sex or money, feel free to write me. That definitely works for me! If, on the other hand, you are female and cute, feel free to write me if you want to work on cleaning my house, and then you will submit to having me tie you up and/or tie you down and/or spank you silly and/or fuck your brains out. That works for me even better!

Jasmyn -> RE: What does 'No Strings' Housework mean anyway? (2/7/2008 3:41:12 AM)
Submission does not exist in a vaccuum (pun intended) ... no one will ever do 'no strings housework' for me ... I think it is a cop out the number of women who expect this in the name of 'domination' ...

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