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BlackPhx -> RE: ability and desire for indepentant thought/decision making (2/9/2008 6:17:42 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Justme696
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
Submission is obedience. Obedience is surrender. Surrender is a choice. Choice requires thought.
Without the ability to choose, where can there be submission?
I will take a stab at it..(pulls long sword)
Within this life choice, there is no submission without choice. This life choice however is not all there is.
Women, Men and Children are beaten, starved and tortured into submission all around the world. No choice, submit or die. I guess that would be a sort of choice in and of itself but it is not a choice for life.
A child can only endure, whether starved, beaten or tortured. Yes here in the US and in most 1st world countries they can tell, go to a cop or a teacher, but then again even here our news is filled with the death of children at the hands of parents or adults.
A woman or man trapped in an abusive relationship seemingly has the choice to leave, but the reality is, by the time it has turned that abusive (a slow insidious process that begins with first making them feel they have earned what happened, followed by a honeymoon phase, wash, rinse, repeat) the ability to make that choice has gone from them. IF they finally reach out or are reached by someone who notices and cares, it is almost impossible for them to make that choice to leave and many go back into the situation over and over again before they are finally able to make the choice to leave permanently. It is at that point they are in the most danger of death.
Too many die never having had the ability to make the choice to leave once ensnared. Beaten into submission, mentally, emotionally, physically, they no longer have the reserves to make a choice for leaving.
Prostitution is considered by most people to be a victimless crime. For the 16 year old on the street corner hooked on crack, heroin or controlled by a violent pimp there is no choice and they are victims. Getting free of that life is no picinic basket. If they are lucky they are busted and sent home underage. Most are not so lucky. Many came from homes that were already borderline, a foster care system already overwhelmed and neglectful, and prostitution is a way to survive. Not really a choice. I don't think too many teenage girls and boys dream about standing on a street corner and taking on anyone with the price of a BJ, risking HIV, and Death.
In many parts of the world there are still people who are slaves. Involuntary slaves. Some of it is being cleaned up, but in some places it is only a coat of paint to hide the slavery still ongoing. There is no choice where parents sell a child to a brothel, or a young bride to an old man. The chattle has no choice but to live and endure and dream of another life..or die.
Check out the news. lack of choice is out there for slavery even in the US. A California couple was just busted a couple of months back for holding two illegal women in slavery.
Here we have a choice to submit and to whom, other places, not so much choice.
poenkitten
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