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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 5:01:58 PM   
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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 5:58:41 PM   
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After posting on these forums for a while I have learned that pretty close to everything that comes out of my mouth is controversial.

Heres one, Picasso was unoriginal hack who simply copied African masks, to create his trade mark style.  Picasso admits it too, not the hack part, but where he got all his ideas.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 6:15:53 PM   
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being PC is stupid for the most part... and unneeded. we all discriminate, like someone else said, its a part of life. deal with it.

and i believe some r trying to breed smarter humans.. but the gene pool is so limited now.. that if they breed the humans that we have now that r uber smart or whatever other characteristic that they want.. well.. it would kinda be like thoes over breed dog breeds.. instead of being smart like they once were.. there stupid... but again.. just my .02

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 6:17:53 PM   
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Astrology is in fact a viable science.

Just like Global Warming theory.


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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 6:22:32 PM   
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i believe Globa Warming is a pile of shit. if its getting so much warmer.. why is it in the negitive degrees today? with snow and freezing rain? and if the ice caps r melting so much.. why have we not lost any land?? i really would like to know this...

i think astrology/horiscopes/whatever r a good way to go about life.. when taken with a grain of salt like any other advise.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 7:37:04 PM   
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controversial opinions?(whew I just stated typing below and lost myself, hehe).

1. I think the US needs to dissolve into sections even smaller than most states. This goes for any country that is over something like 10 million. To much seperation between the power and the people.

2. I think people generally believe whatever they need to believe in order to let them continue believing they are good, and seek those that confirm such notions. Regardless of what subject you are speaking of. Example: Stealing is justified by a warped view of charity. If they were good they'd give it to those that need(charity), but they won't so we must take it(stealing)! LOL. This is the world as we live in it today.

3. I think anyone elected to public office, or who works for the government should be held accountable to a penalty 3 times greater than that of a common person when such a tabulation is possible.

4 I think "the decider" (president), should be monitored 24 x 7(to the greatest extent reasonably possible) and all normally private information should be in the public record for the term including all past history. All presidents or high level government officials should be permanently barred from working for any government supplier when they leave office. Though, they should be given a reasonable lifetime income afterward if they are not working. Only in times of officially declared war would the president be afforded any level of secret activity.  There is no need for it. Sorry, if they are discussing attacking Iran it should be above board or anything in my view. If they are talking of government contracts, subsidies, social programs, taxes, whatever. Very little in regards to the president needs to be secret. But none of this is as  necessary if we broke the country down into 10 million people segments, anyway, LOL.

I think all forms of birth control should be free. Also if you get an abortion, both offending parties will be forced to get their tubes tied and a vasectomy free of charge. The cost to remove these would be staggering, and the monies used would fund the orphanages.

All unwanted children would be taken by the federal government(or highest level existing branch,LOL), however, you will be subject to a mandatory vasectomy, or your tubes tied if further conception is possible. If one wants to receive the children back, you have a maximum of 3 years, to prove employment, mental fitness, and stability. In addition one must pay back 100% of the cost of raising the children in the interim. Repayment schedule may be allowed depending on income and credit worthiness.

Anyone found to be starving their children, sexually abusing them, or beating them, as judged by their fellow peers in the local community. Would be simply killed.

No preference shall be given on the basis of skin color, sexual orientation, financial status, age(above the age of consent), in regards to the governments interaction with the citizens. In other words you get nothing without losing something except infrastructure, unless you are a child or disabled.

Anyone  collecting direct government benefits, loses their right to vote, they lose the right to privacy, they lose the rights of voluntary association until they select to relinquish those  monetary benefits, at which time they will receive rights on level with other law-abiding citizens. The government has no right to force you to take government benefits, or encouraging the taking of benefits, to do so is a violation of the law.
**certain exceptions and conditions apply, and repayment may be necessary for self-inflicted wholly avoidable damages the government helps you recover from(drug use as one example).

The government shall not set interest rates.

The government shall if it selects to use fiat money, increase or decrease  the money supply purely based on annual assessment of productivity increases/decreases. The government shall not increase the money supply for any other reason without 75% of  the states, and Congress agreeing to such action. As such an action is unique in its universal effect on the populace. All inflationary money created will be distributed via a annual disbursement to each citizen in equal parts. No inflationary money many be used to fund government operations, except in times of officially declared war.

All government operations must be funded via tax revenue, the government may not enter into a deficit mode for any period greater than two fiscal years, except during times of officially declared war.


The government is not allowed to interfere with states and communities in their decision regarding, education, marriage and local  taxes. (However, no tax may be levied against any property already taxed, or personal income).

Property taxes are banned, one can not own something if one must pay for it every year. All taxes must be upfront taxes at time of purchase, and no other taxes may be levied against that purchase forever, to do otherwise is to subvert the concept of ownership.

The government only has the right to force safety upon those things that are directly created in order to serve the public or object used on public infrastructure. (stores,hospitals, etc... or a car, but not forcing a person to protect themselves with a seatbelt, or insurance). The government may not enforce an individual that has reached the age of consent to protect themselves from perceived dangers financial, or physical, neither does it have the responsibility to rescue them from those situations. Communities may opt to form their own agreements in this regard  and fund them accordingly.

All law enforcement agencies, must be 100% monitored and recorded both locally and remotely. Nothing that occurs without such a record is admissible as evidence. So, every officer must be wired and permanently recorded while on duty both on body recorders and wireless devices on the police vehicles could accomplish this, all police cars must have video inside and out, along with audio. All police stations, jails, prisons, must have all areas where official enforcement is taking place monitored 24x7 and archived remotely. To willfully disable such devices is a felony offense for both civilians or enforcement officers.

The government has no right to monitor the public in any privately owned location, not for servicing the public, without the approval of a local, state, or federal court. The signing and reasoning for such a warrant, must be written and recorded. Giving such a warrant without cause is subject to death or removal from the bench as judged by a jury from the community where the warrant pertained. The only circumstances that would allow such a warrant are those of child endangerment, or stopping a violent physical attack(militants, murder plotting, etc..., not spy on anarchists, without any proof of physical intent).

Crimes are based on actions and repercussions  not feelings, emotional intent,  or thought process. In other words it does not matter if you killed the man because you were mad, insane, a racist,or  a jew hater. What matters is you killed  a fellow citizen.

One may commit a possible crime against another citizen if it can be proven that that citizen committed a crime  that would have permitted such action under the penalty the state would have provided as punishment. In other words you can kill a child molester, if you can prove that they were a child molester in court afterwards, otherwise you are fucked. You better be sure, but if you can prove it, then you are free to leave. This judgment will be made by those in the community the possible crime was committed in. This would be very hard to do by the way without some really good evidence such as video. But one must account for the child smashing the pedophile fathers brains in and there being taped evidence. That kind of thing.

The government shall not infringe upon the rights of citizens to circulate competing currencies, and shall not tax such. However, any competing currency must be periodically submitted for an evaluation of exchange rates to the dominant official currency. This will be done only as a service for facilitating standards in commerce. The government itself may only be paid in the official currency of the land. For the purposes of computing taxes the most recent exchange rate will be used, and the taxes must still be paid in the official government currency.

No labor may be taxed. This is slavery.

Profits derived from others labor may be taxed.

Corporation protection only extends to those areas that are purely monetary in nature, however protection does not extend to physical abuses. In other words a corporation could go bankrupt and not effect the the personal assets of the board members, even if it was due to incompetence, thus is the game. However, dumping toxic waste in a river, is subject to personal liability. One must be able to prove knowledge of the activity  or  negligence. In such cases the corporation will be responsible for paying to the extent it is capable, and those that are found guilty will be fined a sum as judged appropriate by their peers in the communities affected.

All drugs are legal. No drug use may be used as a defense in regards to a crime committed by the user. One may at ones request enter under government control, and be cleaned up, and thereafter until the debt is repaid, remain so working at whatever job the government deems you capable, for the going national average wage.

Well, I could type all day. I'm sure there are some inconsistencies above. But fuck it all. It'd work better than this shit hole.





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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 7:49:27 PM   
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Astrology is in fact a viable science.

Just like Global Warming theory.



I'm sorry....I honestly don't mean to offend, but that statement seems very muddled.  Or perhaps just poor grammar? 

Do you have some other definition of "viable"? Because I thought that it meant
PRACTICAL, workable!  How is something that is wrong literally 9 times out of 10 a "viable science"?  

What would you suggest next? That chaining 1,000 monkeys to 1,000 typewriters and having them pound away at random is a viable way to generate an original story....because the law of averages will eventually produce something approaching coherent?

For that matter, how do you define science? What SCIENTIFIC evidence is there, for example, for the assertion, "I'm stubborn because I'm an Aries"?

Next:  "global warming theory" is just that, a theory, a premise.  It isn't a system of methodology, it isn't science itself!  Your comparison is muddled to say the least...fuzzy thinking....or I'm just misunderstanding?  I admit the possibility.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 10:18:55 PM   
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Isn't it time for the Vatican to open all doors, books, and scrolls for everyone to read? Let's see where all the money comes from and where it really goes. Let's see why certain choices and descisons where really made in the name of God.




This would be an awful thing to do. That would cause a crazy amount of insanity all around the world.  Nobody needs to pinpoint every little thing they do, it just opens the door for morons to get into something they dont understand.  For example, I am on the parent council at My UM's school, we spend a great deal of our time fundraising.  We got a new principal one year, and she wanted to add a detailed statement to our monthly report about where we are spending all our fundraising dollars.  Thank God there was enough of us there with common sense to talk her out of it.  You are never going to please everyone, and as long as the money is not wasted, which we have been voted in to be in trust of that, then its really nobody's business how the money is spent.  The Vatican Officials that deal with the decisions, are there because they are trusted to do so.  Would you open your bank statements to let everyone see and judge?  Most people would not.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 11:11:59 PM   
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Oh I have another one which I know that many people out there quietly agree with-

An eating disorder is a disease of shallowness.

I know from convos that a lot of people feel that way.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 11:17:17 PM   
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as a friend of mine once said - eating disorders are not about vanity. they are about self-loathing. self-loathing and vanity don't generally sleep in the same bed. or, to look at it a different way - personally, i don't think that slowly committing suicide in one of the most painful ways imaginable is particularly shallow. generally it takes a little bit of thought and a very deep disconnect within the self.

i wonder how many of those "convos" were with people who are actually involved in the research or treatment of eating disorders, coincidentally (in other words, people who know something about it other than that time they didn't eat for a day or two so they could fit in a bathing suit, or that shoddily written paragraph in their health class book, or whatever).


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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/12/2008 11:37:30 PM   
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After posting on these forums for a while I have learned that pretty close to everything that comes out of my mouth is controversial.

Heres one, Picasso was unoriginal hack who simply copied African masks, to create his trade mark style.  Picasso admits it too, not the hack part, but where he got all his ideas.


Aren`t all ideas stolen,copied or taken from someone(for the most part)?

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 3:38:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Isn't it time for the Vatican to open all doors, books, and scrolls for everyone to read? Let's see where all the money comes from and where it really goes. Let's see why certain choices and descisons where really made in the name of God.




This would be an awful thing to do. That would cause a crazy amount of insanity all around the world.  Nobody needs to pinpoint every little thing they do, it just opens the door for morons to get into something they dont understand.  For example, I am on the parent council at My UM's school, we spend a great deal of our time fundraising.  We got a new principal one year, and she wanted to add a detailed statement to our monthly report about where we are spending all our fundraising dollars.  Thank God there was enough of us there with common sense to talk her out of it.  You are never going to please everyone, and as long as the money is not wasted, which we have been voted in to be in trust of that, then its really nobody's business how the money is spent.  The Vatican Officials that deal with the decisions, are there because they are trusted to do so.  Would you open your bank statements to let everyone see and judge?  Most people would not.


Now see, I think it would be a wonderful thing. But then I also think that the catholic church is the MOST currupt and power abusive entity on the planet. I hpe I live to see the day it is destroyed. I believe that day will come and millions of people will be horrified at the corruption that was hidden away behind vatican walls.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 3:49:53 AM   
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Astrology is in fact a viable science.
Just like Global Warming theory.
I'm sorry....I honestly don't mean to offend, but that statement seems very muddled.  Or perhaps just poor grammar?  Do you have some other definition of "viable"? Because I thought that it meant
PRACTICAL, workable!  How is something that is wrong literally 9 times out of 10 a "viable science"?  
I believe you have missed the joke. No doubt your star sign will explain why.

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 5:34:33 AM   
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Now see, I think it would be a wonderful thing. But then I also think that the catholic church is the MOST currupt and power abusive entity on the planet. I hpe I live to see the day it is destroyed. I believe that day will come and millions of people will be horrified at the corruption that was hidden away behind vatican walls.


Oh come now, lighten up! Don't you think those chubby angels are cute? :)
But seriously, if you think the Vatican is corrupt, take a look at our own govt. At least the Vatican is not slaughtering villagers in the Middle East. As to what is in the "Secret Archives"- they are not that secret at all. Get a letter from your local university that you want to poke around in them and send it off to the Vatican. You will be put on a waiting list behind all the professors and such, and in about two or three years, you get your permission. It's pretty much filled with old manuscripts in medieval latin- good luck reading the spending accounts of some noblee old chap from 1325.


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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 5:41:09 AM   
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Astrology is in fact a viable science.
Just like Global Warming theory.
I'm sorry....I honestly don't mean to offend, but that statement seems very muddled.  Or perhaps just poor grammar?  Do you have some other definition of "viable"? Because I thought that it meant
PRACTICAL, workable!  How is something that is wrong literally 9 times out of 10 a "viable science"?  


I believe you have missed the joke. No doubt your star sign will explain why.


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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 5:43:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: ItalianSMistress

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

Isn't it time for the Vatican to open all doors, books, and scrolls for everyone to read? Let's see where all the money comes from and where it really goes. Let's see why certain choices and descisons where really made in the name of God.




This would be an awful thing to do. That would cause a crazy amount of insanity all around the world.  Nobody needs to pinpoint every little thing they do, it just opens the door for morons to get into something they dont understand.  For example, I am on the parent council at My UM's school, we spend a great deal of our time fundraising.  We got a new principal one year, and she wanted to add a detailed statement to our monthly report about where we are spending all our fundraising dollars.  Thank God there was enough of us there with common sense to talk her out of it.  You are never going to please everyone, and as long as the money is not wasted, which we have been voted in to be in trust of that, then its really nobody's business how the money is spent.  The Vatican Officials that deal with the decisions, are there because they are trusted to do so.  Would you open your bank statements to let everyone see and judge?  Most people would not.


Now see, I think it would be a wonderful thing. But then I also think that the catholic church is the MOST currupt and power abusive entity on the planet. I hpe I live to see the day it is destroyed. I believe that day will come and millions of people will be horrified at the corruption that was hidden away behind vatican walls.


Not to be insulting, seriously, but seeing as you are not a Catholic, how much do you really know about the way the church works?  I was born and raised a Catholic, I made sure My UM's are raised Catholic.  In fact, right now I am engaged in a custody battle with My ex wife and I even have her UM that lives with Me converting right now.  If you are not part of something, then I can understand not knowing the great parts of it, but dont assume there are not any.  The Catholic church will never end, there is too big a following, even stat holidays revolve around the church, a whole school board, and more churchs in Canada then another other following.  (I am not sure about the US, as I am Canadian).

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 5:43:51 AM   
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I believe...democracy does not work a bit. We need a strong and capable ruler who has to go through shit to get to the top, not be born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I believe...that if we can't get that strong leader, all nations should dissolve and we should return to rule by city or village. Locals know best what they  need and this encourages variety of culture and goods.
I believe...people should stop being so lazy and not be dependant on modern technology for every little thing. "Oh I can't get to the supermarket, Timmy took the car and the market is all the way across the street!"
I believe...that executions should be made public in the middle of the town, with all the kids watching.
I believe...that everyone should know how to grow their own food and if they want to eat meat, how to slaughter their own animal, hence gaining a new appreciation for where food comes from and how polluting our resources is just insane.


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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 6:08:13 AM   
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But on the Vatican's ceiling, who do we find? Michaelangelo...  .

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 6:10:13 AM   
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I believe you have missed the joke. No doubt your star sign will explain why.



Hmmmmm... Cancer?

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RE: What are some of your most controversial opinions? - 2/13/2008 7:04:34 AM   
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I am not a catholic by choice. I actually believe in educating myself rather than following dogma blindly. Obviously I don't know about Canada as I live in the US. What I see going on in the local catholic churches says a great deal. Congregations shrinking, churches filing bankruptsy, etc..

I study organized religioun, I've come to despise most all modern christian church organizations based upon what I have learned. I don't care if catholicism is your faith. My controversial point of view, is that the catholic church, like most modern day christian churches, are closer to being the evil they purport to fight than the oposite.


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