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sub4hire -> Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:46:02 AM)

Bush Urges Conservatives to Rally Behind 2008 NomineeWASHINGTON — Although he did not explicitly mention Sen. John McCain, President Bush on Friday sought to unify the Republican Party behind its eventual nominee, describing the election of his successor as president as a stark ideological choice.
Mr. Bush’s remarks, delivered in an early morning speech to the Conservative Political Action Committee, presaged the role his aides said he would play all year: using the power of the presidency to shape the agenda and attack his Democratic critics.“We have had good debates and soon we will have a nominee who will carry the conservative banner into this election and beyond,” Mr. Bush said to a boisterous audience. “Listen, the stakes in November are high. This is an important election. Prosperity and peace are in the balance.”Although deeply unpopular, with an approval rating at historic lows below 30 percent, Mr. Bush enjoys strong support among conservatives like those gathered in the hotel ballroom in Washington where he spoke on Friday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/us/politics/08cnd-bush.html?hp




LadyEllen -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:50:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Mr. Bush’s remarks, delivered in an early morning speech to the Conservative Political Action Committee, presaged the role his aides said he would play all year: using the power of the presidency to shape the agenda and attack his Democratic critics.



OK. Its nothing to do with me - but I find that a bit disturbing that he's going to use the power of the presidency to interfere with the election of his successor.

And anyway, I'd have thought he had much else to occupy his time and efforts

E



Owner59 -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:52:31 AM)

  An endorsement by Bush might work against McCain.

I doubt we`ll see them together on the campaign trail or even hear him mention Bush`s name.

Accept of course,in criticism of Bush,as he attempts to distance himself from failure.



sub4hire -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:53:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

An endorsement by Bush might work against McCain.


That's what I'm thinking.  Yet, I guess it depends on how much endorsements work to begin with.  We may get to find out that answer.




OmegaG -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:54:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

Mr. Bush’s remarks, delivered in an early morning speech to the Conservative Political Action Committee, presaged the role his aides said he would play all year: using the power of the presidency to shape the agenda and attack his Democratic critics.



OK. Its nothing to do with me - but I find that a bit disturbing that he's going to use the power of the presidency to interfere with the election of his successor.

And anyway, I'd have thought he had much else to occupy his time and efforts

E


Roosevelt hand picked his successor based on what he thought was similar ideology.  I'm sure others have also publically endorsed the person they'd like to see follow them.  I don't know how you feel that is an abuse of power or interference, we can listen to him or ignore him-- I think most have already hit the ignore button.



toservez -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:55:21 AM)

The people he is popular with still are not going to vote for anyone else but a Republican, unless it is a third party protest vote type thing. The question is can he get some people out to vote who might stay home. My guess is no, those who buy into the doomsday garbage are more likely to vote anyway. Maybe he can help prevent a third part candidate though.



LadyEllen -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:58:51 AM)

OmegaG - dont get me wrong, Bush has the right to say who he'd prefer and why. Its the part about using the power of the presidency in doing so which concerned me. Yes, he's president but the presidency and the president are two distinct (though obviously related) things surely? Its not quite, but it has the taste of an abuse of position for him to use the office to comment, rather than him to comment and happen to be the president.

E



Owner59 -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 9:59:48 AM)

  There are a few(maybe more than  few) conservatives who won`t vote at all,should McCain win the nomination.

http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000006444.cfm



OmegaG -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 10:05:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OmegaG - dont get me wrong, Bush has the right to say who he'd prefer and why. Its the part about using the power of the presidency in doing so which concerned me. Yes, he's president but the presidency and the president are two distinct (though obviously related) things surely? Its not quite, but it has the taste of an abuse of position for him to use the office to comment, rather than him to comment and happen to be the president.

E


If I had the time and inclination, I'd look up past 2nd term presidents besides Roosevelt (who definately abused his power but we love him) backed their parties nomination as a sitting president.  Honestly, I'd be suprised if any one of them didn't use the office in an attempt to sway votes.

Maybe it's faux pas in England, but its politics here-- and politics have gotten decidedly cleaner since the days of Hamilton, Jefferson and Buhr.



OmegaG -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 10:08:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

There are a few(maybe more than  few) conservatives who won`t vote at all,should McCain win the nomination.

http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000006444.cfm


There are vocal LDS (though I don't know the percentage) who feel that if anyone besides Romney get the nomination that it'll be because of religious discrimination.



Alumbrado -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 10:11:23 AM)

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Bush Urges Conservatives to Rally Behind 2008 Nominee — Although he did not explicitly mention Sen. John McCain, President Bush on Friday sought to unify the Republican Party behind its eventual nominee, describing the election of his successor as president as a stark ideological choice.


So what exactly do people think was Bush going to say... 'Vote Obama in 2008'?



KenDckey -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 10:59:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

OmegaG - dont get me wrong, Bush has the right to say who he'd prefer and why. Its the part about using the power of the presidency in doing so which concerned me. Yes, he's president but the presidency and the president are two distinct (though obviously related) things surely? Its not quite, but it has the taste of an abuse of position for him to use the office to comment, rather than him to comment and happen to be the president.

E


I think they all do it in one way or anohter.   Is just a part of the system.



RCdc -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:09:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alumbrado

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Bush Urges Conservatives to Rally Behind 2008 Nominee — Although he did not explicitly mention Sen. John McCain, President Bush on Friday sought to unify the Republican Party behind its eventual nominee, describing the election of his successor as president as a stark ideological choice.


So what exactly do people think was Bush going to say... 'Vote Obama in 2008'?


This is Darcy

Now you're just being silly. Obama has three syllables. [;)]



mnottertail -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:11:45 AM)

I think if the republicans want any chance of winning anything, they need to  tell ol' George to go over in the corner by his dish and lay down.

Even Billy Jeff can do that.

Ron



Kirren -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:13:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

An endorsement by Bush might work against McCain.

I doubt we`ll see them together on the campaign trail or even hear him mention Bush`s name.

Accept of course,in criticism of Bush,as he attempts to distance himself from failure.



If McCain is one to strive to distance himself from failure, would it not then stand to reason that perhaps Bush knows this and is making a public "outting" of McCains candidacy so that people will be less likely to Look at McCain?

Kind of an underhand attempt if that makes sense?




LadyHathor -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:19:02 AM)

To me this is wrong, he needs to stay neutral--O get the whole party thing, but he needs to stay quiet--Me thinks this will drive lots of passengers to the other side of the boat.



luckydog1 -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:23:11 AM)

Just wait untill Alex Jones gets done analyzing that quote....you don't suppose it has anything to do with the Submarine do ya?

No it won't drastically change anything, the President always tries to help his party in elections.  Though a policy of "Hard at work, got to get as much of the hard work done as possible..." (out of the Public eye)  in Washington by Bush would seem to make the most sense, with his low personal popularity.



Owner59 -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:25:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirren

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

An endorsement by Bush might work against McCain.

I doubt we`ll see them together on the campaign trail or even hear him mention Bush`s name.

Accept of course,in criticism of Bush,as he attempts to distance himself from failure.



If McCain is one to strive to distance himself from failure, would it not then stand to reason that perhaps Bush knows this and is making a public "outting" of McCains candidacy so that people will be less likely to Look at McCain?

Kind of an underhand attempt if that makes sense?




Ah yes,the  agent provocateur  at it`s finest.And with a double reverse,upside down split strategy,to boot.

You may be on to something.

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mnottertail -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:26:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Just wait untill Alex Jones gets done analyzing that quote....you don't suppose it has anything to do with the Submarine do ya?

No it won't drastically change anything, the President always tries to help his party in elections.  Though a policy of "Hard at work, got to get as much of the hard work done as possible..." (out of the Public eye)  in Washington by Bush would seem to make the most sense, with his low personal popularity.


still higher than congresses



popeye1250 -> RE: Will this drastically change the election? (2/8/2008 11:30:28 AM)

Oh sure, I listen to what BUSH tells me to do all the time, don't you?
This would be like getting an "endorsement" from Ted Kennedy so that you win his home state of Massachusetts!
"Whoops!"



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