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StormsSlave -> A delicate question... (2/8/2008 8:08:18 PM)

My man occasionally likes it when we switch.  The thing is, I'm completely out of my element.  Totally a duck out of water.  I feel awkward and weird.  I'm a clumsy person, anyway, so there's a possibility of him getting injured!  [:o]  There's only been twice when I've done a fair job out of it, in my opinion, and one of them I was angry at him, the other just flat horny and impatient.  His opinion is kind of like sex is like pizza...when it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad, it's still kind of good.

I need advice.  I know all of the "it's gotta come from within you" stuff, but if it was within me, I'd be dom and not sub, right?[;)]  Proper communication is key, I understand that.  I know what he wants, and I've tried to do it.  So, sub to sub, HELP!!

For instance, he's told me I may slap him, but I can't bring myself to do it for real.  I know, it's stupid, but tell the beta dog to challenge the alpha.  He likes having his wrists tied, which we have done, but what the hell do I do once I'm up there?  I manage to pleasure him, I can tell, but refer to the pizza comment above.  I already know the things he does to me he does't want done to him. 

I'm not new to sex, by any means, I've just had very vanilla sex until now, and could use any advice anyone has.  I'd love to surprise my man by aggressively taking charge and dominating him, but I don't know how to start.

So, from other subs, what do you do?  Does this happen for you, and how do you handle it?  Any specific tips or ideas I can put to use?   Is there anything you do to enhance the mood, or is it just really just a learn from your own painful mistakes kind of thing?

Thanks for any advice you have. 




domahpet -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 8:34:24 PM)

when i decided i wanted to try domming, i practised on a pillow with my flogger untill i had a feel for it. and when he wanted punishment, i thought of someone i actually was mad angry with, and directed it towards my willing victim.
it still felt kind of strange, but after a few times, the strangeness went away...
you wont know till you try of course, but it sounds like you already do.
are you into sharing at all? maybe he could find a p/t domme.




Honsoku -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 8:34:43 PM)

My best advice for you, if you are determined to pursue this route, would be to fantasize about it. You may not ever progress to the point of being wanting to hit or tie him up, but almost anyone can learn to be demanding.

The key issue though, is that you have to do this when you feel like it, the chemistry won't be there if you do it only on his schedule. So think about what gets you riled up, what makes you want to grab him by the hair and say "Do it my way now, dammit!"? You have answered the question a bit yourself, you did so when you were angry/horny. So it is in you a bit. What brings you to that state? What can you or he do to get you so riled up that you can forget about your discomfort with being in control?

Is there anything you can think of which you would enjoy doing to him or making him do for you? Stop worrying about what he wants per say, and think about what you would enjoy out of a sexual encounter that you had control of. Don't get enough foreplay time? Well, now is your chance to fix that! The key is being able to be selfish, to be the center of attention, and be comfortable with that. Understands that he is enjoying it when you are. Being a slave doesn't mean you have to be sexually passive.





MasterFireMaam -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 8:38:01 PM)

Being a Top and being a Dominant are two different things. One is physical one is mental. You're not a Dom. You could be a Top, if you had some training (most anyone can be trained to be a decent Top).

Think of it as him ordering you to aquire a specific kind of training. How would you react if he asked you to take cooking classes or something along those lines? If you approach it right in your head, this is no different.

Master Fire




xxblushesxx -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 9:08:27 PM)

I hear ya. The last time He wanted this, I bound Him, and collared Him, and then...well...I uhm...

[whispers] spent the rest of the time going down on Him.[/whispers]

I think He was a bit disappointed.

But He has so many freakin' rules, it's rather ridiculous...

Plus, as you said, this is SO not me. *lol*

Let me know what you learn!

~Christina




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 9:16:47 PM)

He's not complaining- so what's the problem? :)  Stop living up to your expectations and start submitting to his.

I understand wanting to be better, but why the stress?  For now just see where it leads.




xxblushesxx -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 9:18:46 PM)

No. Really. He was disappointed a bit.
In His mind a Domme would never (you know)...
So...
But I told Him, when I'm in charge, I'll do what I like.
And I do like that.
*lol*




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 9:21:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx
No. Really. He was disappointed a bit.
In His mind a Domme would never (you know)...
So...
But I told Him, when I'm in charge, I'll do what I like.
And I do like that.
*lol*

Sorry that was a FR to SS.

I find your story amusing though- sounds like he wanted to really be a do-me bottom for a night and discovered some ACTUAL submission instead :)




HandSolo -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 9:24:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I hear ya. The last time He wanted this, I bound Him, and collared Him, and then...well...I uhm...

[whispers] spent the rest of the time going down on Him.[/whispers]

I think He was a bit disappointed.


You simply forgot the step when you massage Icy Hot into his scrotum. You'll do better next time.




domahpet -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 9:27:36 PM)

Icy Hot
hmmm....




ProlificNeeds -> RE: A delicate question... (2/8/2008 11:08:39 PM)

All depends ont he activity he wants done to him. If he wants you to roll up in your sadist form and abuse him, I'd suggest some mood setting before hand. Get your favorite aggressive music to help you, fondle some toys, and try to see it as practicing your pain giving technique on a living target.
If it's not really pain he wants, just sensation play, then try a different brand of music to find that 'sexy tease-the-snot-out-of-him' kind of mindset, again fondle some different tools for sensation, and make a game of it in your head to aim for an objective in his responses.

Eitherway have FUN with it, worry less about being graded, worry more about just having a good time I'm sure he isn't carrying a clipboard and marking you on everything.
Besides you don't want to be tooooo good at topping, he might just try to switch full time on you!




StormsSlave -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 1:41:06 AM)

Thanks, everyone, for your advice.  It's good, common sense advice that I can put to practical use.  You put something like that out there, you never know what you are going to get.

I'm not overly stressed about it, but willing to learn, and up until now, unsure where to turn for answers.  I'm grateful to have the input of those who know more.  I'm thrilled that he's willing to throw himself on this particular grenade, and suffer through the hardships of being thoroughly sexed. [:)]  

Again, still open to suggestions, so feel free to input.




AAkasha -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 10:51:23 AM)


Some basic ideas...

* Blindfold him if you find yourself feeling pressured or unsure. It will keep him from staring at you and making you feel uneasy about wondering what to do next.  Be slow and deliberate afterwards, knowing that his own imagination will be fucking with him.

* For things like slapping or doing something that seems out of your nature, don't feel like you have to go 100% out of the gate.  Cup his face in one hand and lightly slap his other cheek with just a few fingers. Get used to the initial feelings and emotions about it.

* Remember that stating the obvious will make him feel more helpless. "You can't get away,"  "You're helpless now,"  "You can't see," and "You have no idea what I am going to do to you." 

* Use physical, raw, emotional type power to FEEL it; tightening your fist his hair, digging nails into his skin until he flinches, tightening your grip carefully around his balls.  Watch reactions.

* Most submissive men react to the femdom's confidence and enjoyment of her role, more than the intensity or effectiveness of the toys (and you learn technique from practice) - so focus on enjoyment, empowerment, and letting him know how much it turns YOU on that he is helpless. Pleasure yourself in front of him, make him lick your fingers, sit on his face when he is tied up, etc.

Those are a few ideas off the top of my head. A lot of my web site is about helping new femdoms, including helping submissive men to not be pushy and to keep realistic expectations in place.  I think most women can become amazing femdoms once the pressure is off.

Akasha





lockmeupplease -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 10:58:11 AM)

There is often a connection between what someone does when they are topping and what they would like done to them when they bottom.  Try thinking about how good you feel when he does certain things to you and use them for motivation to do the same to him.




BlackPhx -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 2:52:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: StormsSlave

Thanks, everyone, for your advice.  It's good, common sense advice that I can put to practical use.  You put something like that out there, you never know what you are going to get.

Again, still open to suggestions, so feel free to input.


A thawed steak will give you a better feel for how something feels when it hits flesh. Be sure to clean the instrument carefully with an antibacterial and take care of it.

Food grade oils (gourmet cooking stores about 1.25 a bottle) will give you some nice essentials you can use on genitals and nipples. Test the strength on your tongue before going to sensitive areas.

See your local Munch, especially if they have demos. Demos are a great way to learn how to do things safely at the foot of someone who does it regularly. Fetish clubs can also help in this manner as generally speaking they have equipment you don't have at home and Dungeon Masters who can help you use it safely.

Think about what YOU enjoy him doing to you and turn it around. Topping is easy, remember you are submitting to his will  for you to top him that may help you find the head space.

poenkitten




Taintedblood -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 3:09:55 PM)

i think i have just understood a little problem of mine that WKR sometimes likes me to be more in control and i couldnt do some of the things.

but this has helped.

good luck StormsSlave :)




Focus50 -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 3:40:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: StormsSlave

My man occasionally likes it when we switch.  The thing is, I'm completely out of my element.  Totally a duck out of water.  I feel awkward and weird.  I'm a clumsy person, anyway, so there's a possibility of him getting injured!  [:o]  There's only been twice when I've done a fair job out of it, in my opinion, and one of them I was angry at him, the other just flat horny and impatient.  His opinion is kind of like sex is like pizza...when it's good, it's really good, and when it's bad, it's still kind of good.

I need advice.  I know all of the "it's gotta come from within you" stuff, but if it was within me, I'd be dom and not sub, right?[;)]  Proper communication is key, I understand that.  I know what he wants, and I've tried to do it.  So, sub to sub, HELP!!

For instance, he's told me I may slap him, but I can't bring myself to do it for real.  I know, it's stupid, but tell the beta dog to challenge the alpha.  He likes having his wrists tied, which we have done, but what the hell do I do once I'm up there?  I manage to pleasure him, I can tell, but refer to the pizza comment above.  I already know the things he does to me he does't want done to him. 

I'm not new to sex, by any means, I've just had very vanilla sex until now, and could use any advice anyone has.  I'd love to surprise my man by aggressively taking charge and dominating him, but I don't know how to start.

So, from other subs, what do you do?  Does this happen for you, and how do you handle it?  Any specific tips or ideas I can put to use?   Is there anything you do to enhance the mood, or is it just really just a learn from your own painful mistakes kind of thing?

Thanks for any advice you have. 

I dunno about some of the advice here....
 
There is a line between serving and doing what you're told etc and having to go completely out of your normal/natural comfort zone to do so.  That is, to a point of denying who you are and no longer being true to yourself.
 
You're correct - communication is key!  So what's going on with master?  He was always a switch or is this something new he's put on your plate?  I just can't help thinking there's something deceitful happening when a dom claims the right to order his sub to top him.  Invariably, you end up with one mighty confused and, by extension, unhappy sub - sound familiar?
 
I would assume that, as his sub, you have the right to express your feelings over this?  Most subs will do just about anything to please their owner but there is a limit.  Long-term unhappiness is one way to define that limit.
 
Focus.




LaMspeach -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 5:19:22 PM)

Disclaimer – No I don’t top LaM nor would he ever allow me… With that said.

I think you have the wrong mind set, think of it as another form of service. I have topped other females for Master’s pleasure and because they asked me to. I don’t consider it Topping or being a Switch though. For me it is just a service that I can move out side of my comfort zone to provide.  I get no thrill out the topping in it’s self but I do get pleasure out of knowing I have pleased and that means it they have hinted that they want to be smacked then I smack them. After all I am just providing a service.




BlackPhx -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 5:25:53 PM)

Technical advice on how to do something is not always tantamount to saying a person should do something. She has already resolved to at least try and wants to do it safely even if she is not comfortable with it. As a Sadomasochist (more maso than sado) I can offer her advice on how to learn, and how to do something. I suspect they have talked about this more than a few times and he already knows she is not comfortable and why.

I suspect they would both be happier if there was a 3rd who could top him when he needs it. But  it seems from the responses I read from the OP that she was more concerned with ideas and doing it safely than not doing it at all.

That is a good point however Focus50, there may indeed be something going on with Him that is bringing this out. It may also be that he recognizes something in her, a frustration, anger, resistence that she needs to work through as well. Very few people meeting me would take me for a slave, but sexually and dynamically in the relationship I am, to my Master and to him only unless he oders otherwise. Otherwise, people would see me as a very dominant personality and far from the slave I am,  which she may well have such a personality as well. We don't know. She is trying to work with this and all we can do is offer advice, tips and hope they communicate.

poenkitten




Romanticspice -> RE: A delicate question... (2/9/2008 11:52:09 PM)

At Romantic-spice we're more typically motivated along the Romantic physically/emotionally/spiritually stimulating BDSM lines, rather than Raw/Bitch Slapping BDSM lines (not making accusations, just trying to conjure up a comparison for explanation purposes). Although we've been known to get "friskey" at times...**wink**

I own Romantic-spice and was former "Slave Melanie" to Master Lectrici for a few years. Though Master L. was not inclined to be restrained and submissive, I have dated men who were. At the time, I knew nothing of BDSM, and I was dealing with a vanilla relationship, but I thought, hmmm....if he likes that and if I become his wife, I should give it to him. I was thinking of letting him tell me what he liked (gaining knowledge becomes power for change) and then trying it out, perhaps embellishing it a bit also, as I saw how he responded. More of a mutual discovery process of what would build intimacy between us and keep our relationship on sure footing. I knew nothing of roles of Dom/me/Master or Sub/Slave - I just knew I wanted to submissively please him any way I could, and was looking forward to experimenting and seeking the smile or moans that I might create on the canvas of his body/mind/heart and spirit. It was about bonding and closeness and finding ways to make it happen.

When I entered the arena of BDSM and discovered the roles and BDSM "class system" so to speak, in a way it was a relief, but it can also be a draw back if one becomes legalistic about it. Seldom do we get to ful-fill 100% of any role we want in any kind of relationship, 100% of the time. Each of us has the responsibility in a good/solid relationship to put the other first and cater to their needs. This is how it's "supposed" to work for a balanced and thriving relationship. Putting the other first is something submissives do really well, and seem to live in this mode most of the time. So you have that going for you if you make it your goal to ful-fill his needs as his submissive/caring lover, rather than go into Dominant mode and try to change your whole point of reference, then wind up feeling out of your element.

Romantically speaking, I can see some nice areas where you could expand your skills in pleasing/pleasuring him and still remain in a comfortable submissive mode. It's kind of exciting to sexually tease your Dominant. I was thinking once you have him tied up, there are all manner of things you can do to stimulate him, or go just so far and stop, forcing him to crave more, but don't give it to him. Switch to something else and keep him guessing. Wear something provocative but not revealing. Stand over him and act like you will reveal what he wants to see (tease) but then hold back a few times. Drive him crazy with you having power over him, looming over him and not the other way around. Of course in the end you'll give it to him, but you want to make him want it really bad first. (BDSM foreplay I guess). Many men don't seem to respect what they get easily, so make him long for it, lust for it, be crazed with longing for it. Being tied down, he can't take it or get it for himself, and he won't know when he can have it. This will make him want it even more. But then when it seems he can't stand not having it any longer, give it to him agressively. Straddle him, take his head in both hands, talk through gritted teeth and pull his head hard between your breasts, holding him captive in the grasp of your bosom. Use your breasts as a bondage tool, move them against him, release and capture him again. Whatever the size, use them skillfully! Start at the top of his body, and work your way down. I've also found that listening to your own body during "play" can stimulate ideas and cause you to envision more possibilities for interaction. My Dominant got a little bored after "always" planning every scene and calling all the shots in every activity we did. At times he needed me to do something to inspire him for a change, and keep his creative juices flowing.

Run your hands over his body slowly but deliberately with some pressure to let him know that his body belongs to you at that moment. And I mean really enjoy him!!! Give it 100% of your womanly abilities. Don't think of it as dominating him, think of it as enjoying him to the hilt, and no part of his body is out of bounds. Use every part of your body to "torture/tease" his. Laugh with a little evil twist, or give a few sexy "Hmmms", as though you just thought of some evil you could do to him. This will keep him guessing and expecting too.

You can blind-fold him and use feathers for stimulous, or ice, warm (not hot) massage oil in sexually sensitive places, or a sharp object with a wheel of some sort - get a fabric marking wheel at the fabric store and this will work just as nice as a medical tool and may be cheaper/safer. Hey tie that penis up too, with scarves, your hair, clothesline, really fat black soft rope at Home Depot, or rough scratchy rope. There's always a well placed clothespin here or there ... hahaha !!! How about a cold vinyl pouch (hot water bottle perhaps) of some sort, filled with sand or ice to lay over his crotch area to cause pressure (not alot, just enough to feel the cool vinyl and keep him from causing his own action for a while. It will act as a bondage tool.). Let him know that you have control over his most prized possession and he can't even control that until you allow it.

If slapping him in the face is offensive to you, you might try growling and giving him a good slap on the rear or the back of the head where it's not so personally heart-breaking for you. Perhaps at some point you can find a way to slap where he wants or can look past your discomfort by training yourself to trust that it's something he needs and you desire to provide it.

I remember one night in our BDSM play, Master L. and I wound up in bed upstairs and were almost finished playing, when we both got so excited that we were growling at each other, and I ended up grabbing him by the back of the neck and pulling him down on me. He responded with a like growl and we went at it for a few minutes like animals. It was one of the most intimate moments we'd ever had while together as Master/slave. I'll never forget it!

Well anyway, just a few ideas to perhaps help inspire some fun and romantic ideas of your own. Sometimes it just takes a spark to get a fire going and then you can blaze that new trail in front of you with ease. Keep it firmly romantic, firmly loving and firmly stimulating....smile.

As for me, I think I need a cold shower right about now ... LOL!!!

In Christ,
Romanticspice
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