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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 5:50:34 PM   
brightspot


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Status: offline 		I find it very interesting that in this Fora that there is a strong stance on racism( which to me there should be, wrong is wrong, period.), and it being a fresh and deep wound since what has taken place in N. O.

Then I read a thread like this, about how people "should" spell correctly and if they don't it "really irk's" people.
I am in no why saying this is anywhere near the awful stench if racism...But I will say that it is a form of discrimination.

Have any of you ever stopped to think of the people here who might have dyslexia, were not properly educated because of a lousy funded school system that just passed people along instead of making sure they learned the basic's, one of them being that they could write the english language properly. Or that they had to quit school to work to help support their poor family? Maybe they might have had a head injury, English might be their second language or for some reason their comprehension skills are poor.

I really don't care! If someone writes so that I can understand what they are trying to say, it does not bother me.

I don't care for computer slang, and plain laziness.

Btu It Hsa Bene Porven That Englsih is raedable as lnog as yuo strat a word wtih the fisrt leter....Did you comprehend that?

If someone is here to make friends and learn more about WWITWD, I could care less if they are proficient writers as long as they can communicate and get the message across.

I wish that some people who participate here in this Fora would lighten up and be more accepting and quit bitching about the little stuff.
I don't understand this need of some to cause others to feel bad or that they are less valuable here because their way of communicating isn't up to your expectations.
And then, have the nerve to suggest they should take part in your little education lessons, so you are not be sooooo irritated by reading their posts.. This Fora is for everyone whether they can spell well or their ability/inability to express themselves succinctly.

Maybe I think the OP wrote about this, because they had nothing of any "real" interest to write about.
Take a good look in the mirror and and say "I will be more accepting and understanding of my fellow human beings".....There that's my Lesson of the Day!

Edited, to Correct a Misspelled Word!
*Brightspot

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 5:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Topic: witch / which / wich

Gripe: Confusion between the words seems to be rampant, though I really don't see why this is.

Definitions: (by way of dictionary.com)

Witch (wch) n.

  • A woman claiming or popularly believed to possess magical powers and practice sorcery.
  • A believer or follower of Wicca; a Wiccan.
  • A hag.
  • A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.



Which: (hwch, wch) pron.

  • What particular one or ones: Which of these is yours?
  • The one or ones previously mentioned or implied, specifically:
  • Used as a relative pronoun in a clause that provides additional information about the antecedent: my house, which is small and old.
  • Used as a relative pronoun preceded by that or a preposition in a clause that defines or restricts the antecedent: that which he needed; the subject on which she spoke.
  • Used instead of that as a relative pronoun in a clause that defines or restricts the antecedent: The movie which was shown later was better.
  • Any of the things, events, or people designated or implied; whichever: Choose which you like best.
  • A thing or circumstance that: He left early, which was wise.
or
Which as an adj.

  • What particular one or ones of a number of things or people: Which part of town do you mean?
  • Any one or any number of; whichever: Use which door you please.
  • Being the one or ones previously mentioned or implied: It started to rain, at which point we ran.


Wich: wich

Wick \Wick\, or Wich \Wich\, n. [AS. w[=i]c village, fr. L. vicus. In some names of places, perhaps fr. Icel. v[=i]k an inlet, creek, bay. See Vicinity, and cf. Villa.]

  • A street; a village; a castle; a dwelling; a place of work, or exercise of authority; -- now obsolete except in composition; as, bailiwick, Warwick, Greenwick. --Stow.

  • (Curling) A narrow port or passage in the rink or course, flanked by the stones of previous players.

Trivia: the word "sandwich" came from the inventor of the idea of putting meat between two slices of bread for a portable meal. He was the Earl of Sandwich (the "wich" part derived from definition 1, above.) A "sandwitch" would summon images of a beach dwelling pagan in my mind, not the image most people are going for when they say they'd like one for lunch.

Explanation: So... "witch" is a descriptor of a person, "which" is a term used for selecting one thing over another, and "wich" has to do with place names, or with the sport of Curling.

Here's a link to a quiz you all might enjoy too: The Commonly Confused Words Test

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 6:05:44 PM   
frenchpet


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Status: offline 		Funny that you write "fora", which is the plural of "forum", as a singular. But I'm not bitching about this, just mentioning it because obviously your english is better than mine ... but my latin is better than yours . Maybe you wanted to know.

There's another one I don't understand : why some people use "they" as singular ? Is it to avoid chosing between "he" and "she" ?

I think different social groups use different levels of language. One can decide to mingle or not. Personnaly, I don't, and if you think that makes me a ****, I don't care.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 6:13:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brightspot

Then I read a thread like this, about how people "should" spell correctly and if they don't it "really irk's" people.
I am in no why saying this is anywhere near the awful stench if racism...But I will say that it is a form of discrimination.

Have any of you ever stopped to think of the people here who might have dyslexia, were not properly educated because of a lousy funded school system that just passed people along instead of making sure they learned the basic's, one of them being that they could write the english language properly. Or that they had to quit school to work to help support their poor family? Maybe they might have had a head injury, English might be their second language or for some reason their comprehension skills are poor.



My husband is dyslexic. And I don't see why if they didn't learn it in school that that should mean they'd never ever want to learn it. I enjoy learning the little intricasies of language from others as well as pointing them out. I'm not perfect and I still like to learn stuff or re-learn it if I've been doing it incorrectly. That's what this thread is for. Not to preach, not to lecture, just to inform those who wish to know.

May I refer you to posts #1 and #9, specifically where it is stated:
quote:


So what I propose is this: let's use this forum to a) vent a little while b) informing and educating those who wish to read it. I know there are lots of people who misspell or use words incorrectly who have no desire to use a spellchecker and think we're making a big thing out of a very insignificant detail. That's fine, I'm not trying to change them and this forum wouldn't be for them, so if you're one of them, please don't rant about it here -- just ignore this topic.


If you read the full text of the initial post you'll see this isn't supposed to be a thread for people griping about how people should spell, etc, as we've done that to DEATH -- just one that takes the bare facts: Misspelled or misused words and seeks to set the record straight for those people who would like to know. For those who don't care, that's fine too -- this thread isn't meant for them. Just like I don't post replies to questions or add my gripes on any of the Ask a Master threads, because I'm not a Master, don't seek a Master, don't currently have any questions for a Master, and hence those threads are not for me.



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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 6:20:18 PM   
LadyJC


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Status: offline 		Actually my brother has about a gr. 6 reading level. He's 24 yrs old it is a result of a disability it has held him back more than anything. He's good with his hands.
It's not that I'm trying to criticize or is that critisize? I forget help!
It's like the reason why we started this to help better educate people. My brother was always asking me how to spell stuff since we were kids, I think he felt jealous I could spell and he couldn't but he didn't hold it against me. When I started college I told him this is where my spelling books are, help yourself if you need help. Dictionary, grammar etc. He often did, I never tried to edit his writing unless he asked me to.
Even us english nazis are bad at stuff too. Don't know about the rest of you but I sure as hell am mathematically illiterate, couldn't multiply in my head if my life depended on it.
I'm not trying to insult anyone on here but just talk about pet peeves we may have. If the people who have dyslexia and had a bad education are insulted by it then the come see me or one of us and discuss it with us.
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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 6:23:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		kc692:
I only learned about the third word, wether, because my english teacher lived on a farm. Learn interesting dumb facts all the time from people it's interesting.
good night
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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 6:45:01 PM   
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Funny that you write "fora",


frenchpet...I wrote Fora for the simple fact that having been on these boards for quite some time, there are a few of us that have nicknamed it the Fora, not because of my lack of knowledge.

Ojedieu, what makes you think I did not read your entire OP?
I think your reasoning is full of a lot of excuses. I am curious do you have a teacher"s degree in English?

I'm sure people who have trouble with the english written word are exhilarated you are here to care so much to "set the record straight!"
I do think this is just a demeaning bitch thread in disguise.
Remember you are the one who used the word "Nazi" in your thread title. I think that in itself speaks volumes.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 7:02:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, LaM. i stand corrected. ~blushing~

i understand your point brightspot, and i don't condemn anyone for misspelling. However, it is an irritation. It is something i take reasonable care with, and i hope for the same from others. Can there be reasons why someone misspells? Of course.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 7:20:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brightspot

I am curious do you have a teacher"s degree in English?



I know a lot of teachers and most of them are really, really crappy at spelling and grammar. Just this week I got an information packet from my son's teacher and there were three misspelled words in it that could have/should have been caught by spell check.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 7:25:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, since we're posting gripes about poor spelling and grammar I'll use this post as an example, however, it is by no means the only example. There are many, many more here and on other BDSM fora who do the same thing.

Does anyone else see the irony of a bunch of people complaining about spelling and grammar who continually bastardize the English language by refusing to type "I" or by using random capitalization or (the worst offenders of all) T/those W/who T/type L/like T/this? Since when is pretending you're illiterate a sign of submission and/or dominance? Does it make you more "true." Good grief. </rant>

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ORIGINAL: softandshy

Thank you, LaM. i stand corrected. ~blushing~

i understand your point brightspot, and i don't condemn anyone for misspelling. However, it is an irritation. It is something i take reasonable care with, and i hope for the same from others. Can there be reasons why someone misspells? Of course.


Edited to add: No, I am not going to edit just to fix a few minor punctuation errors. I'm sure everyone will live.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 7:27:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: brightspot

quote:

Funny that you write "fora",


frenchpet...I wrote Fora for the simple fact that having been on these boards for quite some time, there are a few of us that have nicknamed it the Fora, not because of my lack of knowledge.

Ojedieu, what makes you think I did not read your entire OP?
I think your reasoning is full of a lot of excuses. I am curious do you have a teacher"s degree in English?

I'm sure people who have trouble with the english written word are exhilarated you are here to care so much to "set the record straight!"
I do think this is just a demeaning bitch thread in disguise.
Remember you are the one who used the word "Nazi" in your thread title. I think that in itself speaks volumes.

*Brightspot




Why do you just want to fight over this? I never claimed to have a teacher's degree in English, although I did major in it, but big deal!

The people who have trouble with English or who are offended for some other reason with this topic are welcome to ignore it. No offense was meant and I'm sorry you seem to have taken this somehow personally.

I think you're taking this a bit too far and are just enjoying the argument. There's nothing to argue about.

The term Grammar/Spelling Nazi has been around for some time -- do a search on it. I was just using it in a tongue-in-cheek kinda way as I know that's how a few people view us, and I'm willing to poke some fun at myself.

Now that I've said that, I'm not saying any more about this because it doesn't seem like you're listening to what I say anyway. I'm sorry you're offended. It wasn't intended. If you still have a problem with it, quit reading it!

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/11/2005 8:16:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Dominant" is a noun in ecology? What is "a dominant"? It's not recognized in OED, but if it used as a noun in ecology, I'd certainly like to know about it.

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ORIGINAL: frenchpet

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

As I've mentioned a few times already, neither "dominate" nor "dominant" are nouns. (Look it up: "dominant" is a noun ONLY in music.)

In music, ecology and biology, which is why I used parenthensis .


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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 12:04:51 AM   
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Why do you just want to fight over this? I never claimed to have a teacher's degree in English, although I did major in it, but big deal!


Nope don't want a fight or an argument.
(Why so defensive if you think what you are doing will be so helpful?)

Just wanted to point out how and/or reflect how it is my opinion
that what you have said and are trying to do I find demeaning and discriminatory.
There are many, many, many people who have problems with writing the english
language.

What this thread may do is cause those who may have such problems, not to participate in writing posts because they might offend or irritate others. Or just because certain people need to point out their literate shortcomings( and I don't mean personally to them), but these people read the post's and I can see it instilling shame and in turn a hindrance to join in.
IMHO, I would rather have them share and join in with the conversations then spell every word correctly.

If you can get past the spelling and oh my god maybe a slip of the finger, I think you would open yourself up to maybe learning some good stuff...Not being able to correctly use english does not make one dumb and in many instances a post can have immense value when irritation and/or a better than thou attitude is put aside.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 1:39:40 AM   
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"Dominant" is a noun in ecology? What is "a dominant"? It's not recognized in OED, but if it used as a noun in ecology, I'd certainly like to know about it.

It's in the Oxford French-English dictionary : a "dominant" is a dominant species (It think it's the most common species of trees in a forest, or most common fish in a river for example).
In biology it's the dominant gene, as opposed recessive. It's probably not very common though : both meanings (of the noun "dominant")are in the English-French Oxford, but neither in the English-Spanish or the English-German.

Edit : I wonder if the guys writing the Oxford French English didn't make it up : It's neither in the Encyclopedia Britannica nor in the english dictionaries I just checked.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 5:03:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's surprising how someone with such small brains can say such big words I'm impressed.
We as a whole are not trying to insult anyone. Some people don't realize there are 3 different whethers, Whether, Weather and wether. Like today I saw someone type knew instead of new.
I usually over look spelling errors and typos I make them myself the difference is, I backspace and fix it.
When it gets to the point I can barely understand what the person is saying it does indicate to me they don't know english very well. However it does get annoying to say What? all the time those people could use english spell check.
I know someone who has dyslexia who used to put EVERYTHING in spell check before posting, or sending it off in chat. Even still sometimes I would edit his posts for him. He wasn't insulted when I would ask what's this word supposed to be? He would try and retype and was grateful I was helping him
It's got nothing to do about being a snaut (sp?) it's got to do with if the people who are not educated and have a disability and are insulted by this forum then they will tell us. Since you're being their representative without being asked, butt out. If it's so annoying then don't read it.
I know a lot of people who have bad spelling/grammar skills for whatever reason, hell my grammar sucks, I don't mind it when people correct me. My brother doesn't get mad if I correct his spelling...only if he asks me though.
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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 7:03:12 AM   
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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 8:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another example : "naïve". The i diæresis (ALT 0239) isn't on most keybords, it's not about this but about all the different spellings I've seen (nieve, naeve,neive...). But this one doesn't bother me any more : As soon as I see a short word with a "n" and a "v", I identify it as "naïve". But not so long ago I really had trouble to understand those strange words.
English not being my first language, I simply can't understand a text with too many mistakes.

LAM : I just had the curiosity to check the noun "dominant" in my english-russian dictionary, it also gives 3 meanings (biol, ecol, music).

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 8:55:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I will start by saying that it irks me when you see a thread hi-jacked because of the grammar and spelling posts. I think this is a great place for all that, kudos to you, Ojedieu.

That said, here's a couple of mine....

Spilt, is a word. At least according to my dictionary. And that is a correct spelling for it.

However, the thing that gets me, my pet peeve I guess, is when people just can't bring themselves to capitalize. I is meant to be capitalized, not capitalizing it does not make you more or less submissive, or slave like. Using the D/double capital/ lower case. This makes messages very tedious to read. Now, that said, I'll entertain the fact that the X/x is a cyber BDSM'r habit. (I realize that BDSM'r is probably, most assuredly, not proper...smiles) However, no one, that I've seen, is scening in these Fora *grins* and it makes me want to ask them to stop trying so hard to impress cyber junkies. Who seem to be impressed by the level of dificulty they can impose over writing out a simple sentence.

Ok, rant over. Again I welcome comments, I always welcome input. Thank you again, Ojedieu, this is a very welcome place to put this, so that hopefully it will stay out of other threads...!!! Great idea!!

Tempest's pet
jennifer

PS. ...Then again, I guess maybe I'm a hypocrite, because when I sign my name... Tempest's pet, jennifer

I use a lower case on my name, but then, my reasoning is that I am John's (Tempest's) girl.... as property, I wouldn't necessarily capitalize my name....would I? Thoughts on that would be great though....thanks ahead of time.
Ok, rant over.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 9:45:36 AM   
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Spilt, is a word. At least according to my dictionary. And that is a correct spelling for it.

Yup. Some verbs have 2 spellings for their pp : learnt/ learned, burnt/burned, dreamt/dreamed, learnt/learned, spelled/spelt, spoiled/spoilt, bust/busted...

I've already learnt (or learned) quite a lot of vocabulary on these fora... but what do you mean by "However, no one, that I've seen, is scening" I guess this is the thread where I may ask stupid questions without feeling too embarrassed...

I sometimes make difficult sentences to express simple things, although I try to do the opposite, but this is because I still lack some vocabulary and it sometimes leads me into writing double negatives and other horrors. Note that I always check my bilingual dictionary every few lines (it's a question of respect to the reader, imho), which is why it's not so horrible (I hope !).

Edit : concerning capitalization, I guess it's a personal choice. I decided not to write "i" instead of "I" anymore because it hinders the reading.

Note: I had to check my dic twice to write those few lines. I do this because I always feel the reader is worth the effort. If someone thinks that the reader isn't worth the effort (always using a spell checker in the case of a dyslexic (...checked) person), then I think what s/he writes isn't worth reading.

Second edit : edited to correct a typo.

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RE: A new take on the Grammar/Spelling Nazi thing - 9/12/2005 11:44:22 AM   
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I will respond to you directly simply because you quoted my post. I do not know what prompts the others on this site to write as they do, but I play with capitalization for only one reason. It is how the mistress with whom I am exploring prefers things written. I apply the odd capitalization in anything other than communication for work because it pleases her. She does the same, presumably for the same reason.

Is it incorrect? Absolutely. I recognize that and am capable of capitalizing correctly. However, I as an individual do not feel strongly enough about capitalization in general to displease her. In this case, it's just a question of kinks.

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