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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:08:46 PM

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count me in the minority then, probably because I engage on g/g stuff.. give me the m/m action any day.. the raunchier the better.. and I'm a puddle...

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:12:41 PM

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Hahahahah!!!

I want what ever she's having!!!

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:14:52 PM

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The Kinsey Scale is perfect for this type of thing, you dont have to be closed into a box, just do what you enjoy. I know I am a dyke, but just the fact that I have BDSM sessions with males, and that it is a turn on, that puts Me at a 5, according to the test that is where I landed.

0- Exclusively heterosexual with no homosexual
1- Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2- Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3- Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4- Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5- Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6- Exclusively homosexual

Bisexuality is sometimes misunderstood as being a perfect 3 on the Kinsey scale, but very few people could then rightly be called bisexual. There are even people who define most of humanity as bisexual, leaving only the perfect 6s and perfect 0s as straight or gay. This isn't particularly fair since it is entirely common to experiment in one's youth until one's orientation is entirely understood. And anyway, there should be at least a little wiggle room for everyone to try unusual experiences a time or two in their life.

A problem with Kinsey's scale is how they rate you, you only get to use past sexual behavior therefore a virgin would have no rating at all according to Kinsey because they have had no sexual experiences. Also, a person with only one sexual experience would be automatically placed in the 0 or 6 column.

There are also assumptions that all sexual experiences are undertaken for pleasure and therefore have a direct bearing on sexual orientation. In reality, we know that sexual experiences are undertaken for other reasons. A lesbian might have an opposite-gender experience in order to have children. A prostitute might have sex with someone for money whom they would not ordinarily pair up with. People are also sometimes coerced into sex while inebriated or under the influence of drugs that they might refuse while sober.

It was also Kinsey that studied to find out that about 10% of the gen pop is gay. The is broken down to 13% of males and 7% of females. Even tho that number may seem low to someone today,,,back when he did the study, other researchers were shocked thinking that less than 1% of the population was gay.

I dont think that being trained to service males makes you bisexual off the bat. You may not be attracted to the male form, but will do it to please your Domme. You may not even be able to have a male on male experience without a female there, in which case, I would say you are kinky yes, bi no. Do you desire to kiss a male? Have sex with him? Could you ever be in a long term relationship with a male? Fall in love with him? There is way more to being bisexual or str8 or gay, then sucking some cock. I may be able to touch a cock to do some cbt and it might even turn Me on, but I am not bi, cuz if I had to do any of those other things I just said with a male I would DIE.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:22:17 PM

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I don't believe in forced bi-sexuality....it you have a dick in your mouth, and you are a man, you are bi

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I am with Jeff here as I have that as a hard limit. So much better for me when they are already bi or bi-curious.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:37:53 PM

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IThe thing was, I was sexually attracted to males and females. The only limit with females is that I hated pussy. Just did NOT want to go there for some reason. I had friends tell me "well if you won't go down on a chick, then you're not bi."

So, I guess straight guys who don't like to go down on their girlfriends aren't straight? I, personally, love doing it, but I could see somebody disliking it. Sexuality, in my opinion, is your attraction to people and not to acts.

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Yea, I agree with you that it's more abotu attraction. I was just saying that's some of the opinions I heard. Like I said, I say I'm bisexual because I'm attracted to both men and women in a sexual way.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:43:56 PM

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i used to think that i was bi-sexual but i found out that i really am not. i love girls, but i love the closeness and friendship-the emotional aspects of my relationships with female friends.....would i have sex with them? Possibly. Would i get all excited about it like i would with a male? Hell no. It isn't the same. i am not sexually attracted to them in the same way, i would have sex with them simply as an extension of a kindredship or something but for me it would just be a sexual manifestation of something else.

That being said, i am totally cool with going down on a girl, its fun, i can bring pleasure and all of that (but it doesn't excite me sexually)....i absolutely DETEST anyone of any gender going down on me....Would i/ have i had bi sex when my Daddy has forced it on me? Absolutely and that would be THE ONLY reason that i would have sex with a girl that i have no emotional/mental connection with....Because as his slave i HAVE to....and it is about that and that alone. His power to make me do even something that kind of at times makes my skin crawl (them going down on me or touching me with girly hands- ewww vomit)

my point, personally, is that i have been with a bunch of chicks in a bunch of different cicumstances and know myself well enough to know what i am into and not..i have no repressed bi desires that i am not letting out or anything cause i have explored a bunch with it and know me.....when and if i am with a girl it is simply as part of his power over me and since i am not allowed to have those types of hard limits i have to do it...there is no out excpet totally out of the relationship...so i do it for him.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:45:14 PM

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Engaging in bisexual acts because you were told to doesn't make you bi any more than learning to knit and making a sweater for your owner means you like knitting.

It just means you prefer doing the act in question to telling them no.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 1:46:51 PM

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I understand that in theory.......... but in reality?.....I must disagree. That implies that it is strictly a financial arrangement. I would say that you would only act if it was not uncomfortable. By definition Bi-sexuality means have sex with a man or a woman.

Jeff

I don't think that is necessarily true. I have never felt the slightest inclination to suck cock; but if somebody put a gun to my head and I truly believed they'd pull the trigger if I didn't, damn right I would.

If afterwards I got an appetite for it and I wanted to do it again without the gun; yes I'd consider myself bisexual. I'd not have any trouble admitting it if I honestly thought I was. But if I still didn't want to repeat the experience afterwards, I'd consider myself still straight.

Now, your Mistress telling you, "suck cock or get thee hence!" is not maybe quite as drastic as having a gun to the head, but it is pretty major pressure if you're a male subbie and really into subspace and you adore your Mistress.

To me it is not the act, but the motivation. If you do it because you want to, you're bisexual.

If you do it under any kind of pressure, despite the fact that if given a free choice and with no pressure you would not do it, then you're not bisexual, IMHO

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 3:11:49 PM

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The Klein Sexual Orientation Grid expands upon the Kinsey Scale and takes into account people's fantasies and feelings about the sexes, and not just their actual experience. I come out just shy of a 3 on the Klein Grid, leaning slight more towards hetero.

At any rate, I agree with others who have said that playing bi because your Mistress wants you to does not in and of itself make you bi.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 3:24:57 PM

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I find it a little funny that the women responding to this question seem to be of the opinion that it's about attraction, while the guys all seem to think, "dude, you've got a cock in your mouth... of course you're bi!" LOL

(Just another example of how males are trained to think of any kind of M/M contact is to be considered "queer." How limited in the thinking!)

Yeah, I had to wrestle with this one myself about 25 years ago. I finally just had to sit down, and ask myself, "did you enjoy that? Do you want to do that again with the right person? Do you find yourself wanting to do that again wen you see certain people?" The answers were: yes, yes, and YES! Therefore, I adopted the label. If you were/are doing this for someone else ( your dominant) then, no, probably not.

Ultimately, don't even pay attention to the label, if you can. Just concentreate on enjoying yourself. That's the only thing that really matters both in the bedroom and out.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 3:26:05 PM

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I have some playmates who are Dommes and occasionally we do forced bi. It's a lot of fun but the question has come up, "does that make me a bisexual?"

Honestly I don't consider myself bisexual and I know people think that if there is sexual contact between two men, it's "like...duh!" bisexual. But to me it doesn't feel bisexual at all.

I just want to hear other thoughts.

In my opinion there are five aspects to bdsm: bondage/discipline (behavioural/equipment) bondage/discipline (cerebral) and then sado/masochism, (physical) (emotional). And then also fetish. These could be said to be interests.These could be said to be the power exchange aspects.

Then there are four aspects to orientation: straight/gay/bi/pansexual/asexual. These could be said to be the sexual aspects.

Then two aspects to sensation: top.bottom.

Then there is monogamy, poly/gamy/amory.

But these are only labels.

Therefore there is perm any which way.

But nothing determines anything, especially not a label, other than experience and growth.

ed to say: and scales really screw me up as i haven;t got time to fill one out each time i play.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 3:31:53 PM

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I find it a little funny that the women responding to this question seem to be of the opinion that it's about attraction, while the guys all seem to think, "dude, you've got a cock in your mouth... of course you're bi!" LOL

"To thine own self, be true." -Shakespeare

Exactly.......lol

and shakespeare gave the line to Polonius...... and somewhat shady figure

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 3:39:46 PM

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I find it a little funny that the women responding to this question seem to be of the opinion that it's about attraction, while the guys all seem to think, "dude, you've got a cock in your mouth... of course you're bi!" LOL

"To thine own self, be true." -Shakespeare

Exactly.......lol

and shakespeare gave the line to Polonius...... a somewhat shady figure

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/11/2008 6:08:20 PM

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If you're not sexually turned on by both sexes, you're not bisexual in my book. You might do acts that are considered normal in a bi relationship, but it doesn't make you bi. Same arguement about anal sex; a man who likes anal isn't gay unless he's sexually attracted to men.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/12/2008 1:54:06 PM

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count me in the minority then, probably because I engage on g/g stuff.. give me the m/m action any day.. the raunchier the better.. and I'm a puddle...

mop up on Aisle Madame4a

from what i have read, that would make You and MistressVnus part of the very few. making it even more difficult for one such as myself to be part of making that puddle happen.

although i do have to ponder by what You're thinking when You say the raunchier the better...

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/12/2008 2:07:50 PM

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I don't those if this has been said or not but here goes.

I don't see bisexual play as being neccessarily bi in orientation when its done in a D/s context. subs and doms both are attracted to the exchange, and we tend to try do so that compatible with our sexual orientation. I'm a hetero male Dom, therefore I try to find hetero or bi fem subs.

That being a given, the play in of itself has an attraction as well. sexual acts during play can be an extension of that power exchange.

I don't find men attractive. I can however,see myself topping a male if ever the chance came around. Its not HIM I'm attracted to, its what I'm doing TO him is what I find attractive. I've never looked at a guy and gone "Hmm, great mouth' and been turned on by the thought. However, doing the exact same act under a D/s dynamic is at least something I could see myself doing. Put another way.

"I don't find him attractive, I do find the idea of dominating him attractive."

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/12/2008 2:19:48 PM

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If you're not sexually turned on by both sexes, you're not bisexual in my book. You might do acts that are considered normal in a bi relationship, but it doesn't make you bi. Same arguement about anal sex; a man who likes anal isn't gay unless he's sexually attracted to men.

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Couldn't have said it better. And for those who always use the BDSM is not sexual arguement, then why would this even be an "arguement"

Not that I agree with that.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/12/2008 3:55:12 PM

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An act does not equal an orientation.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/12/2008 4:02:35 PM

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I personally don't have a problem with bi male action. I have a couple of good male friends that are bi, and I would be turned on to the max to watch them with someone else....heck, I would love to join in. I can almost feel a man pounding me from behind...while the man behind him pounds into him...just the force and animal nature of it is enough to get me off.

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RE: Is Bisexual play bisexual? - 2/12/2008 4:02:40 PM

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I'm going to admit to answering prior to reading the whole thread because I have a strong feeling about these things.

I do not believe that by playing with someone of the same sex, even sexually playing necessarily makes you bisexual.

IMO, to be truly bi, you'd have to be willing to be in an actual relationship with someone of the same sex. Play is just play- just sensations and doesn't necessarily have something to do with feelings.
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