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Esinem -> RE: Shibari (4/24/2008 3:29:11 PM)
Hurrah! I am delighted to see that a number of people appreciate the difference between genuine shibari and 'shambari' as it is so often tends to be in the West. Why people say that you have to train in Japan is that there are only a handful in the West qualified to teach the real thing. However, it abounds with self-proclaimed shambari masters passing off work as 'the real deal' that owes little to tradition. Consequently, the chances are that you will end up learning something that is not shibari. This is not intended to denigrate any other style or artist, nor set shibari up to be in any way superior. I, like others, merely wish to keep the distinction clear. There's some great stuff on http://www.tokyobound.com. I try to be reasonably authentic on my (free) site www.esinem.com

IronBear -> RE: Shibari (4/24/2008 3:52:31 PM)
Seen jolly little Shibari here but quite a bit of excelent Shambari (or as I would call it "Japanese Style Bondage"}and a lot more of the K-mart (ok Wall Mart for the US Folk) taught by the "Teach Now & Leartn Later" group, more like Hollywood with the glitter and glam. None of this had thre heart in it and like so much of the Martial Arts taught, have no understanding of the Traditions, the soul and inner mystries of the art. I know one Shibara Sensei here in Australia and he stays well away from the publis scene and like my late Sensei, does not take people unless they are recommended to him as hsaving the right heart to learn properly. Were it me, I'd find a jolly good reputable Bondage Master who specialises in Shibari and other Japanese style bondage and who can teach you not only ropes but also chains etc.... At least you can learn the how to do some good work safely.... Iron Bear Master of Bruin Cottage (A Victorian Lifestyle poly home) "I judge a Man by what I see him do and not by what others tell me he does." (Captain Sir Edward Pellew of the HMS Indefatigable to Midshipman Hornblower ~ C.S. Forrester)

Kinbakudayo -> RE: Shibari (4/24/2008 4:17:04 PM)
Hey there are a few of us working hard to help Kinbaku be understood better here in the west. It just takes time...

Wyrd -> RE: Shibari (4/25/2008 10:00:29 AM)
You have to overcome the glitz and glam, and the gotta do it now mentality. Within the lifestyle, not just with bondage, there is this idea that you can pick this up and do it immediately, no need to bother studying under a master, no need to learn before you do. I spent my years studying bondage, and I do teach to the level I am comfortable teaching at, but I am still learning, and always will be.

Kinbakudayo -> RE: Shibari (4/25/2008 10:43:29 PM)
The second part of Master K's interview come out on Graydancers podcast... www.ropecast.net

Esinem -> RE: Shibari (5/3/2008 9:59:36 AM)
You can't beat tuition from genuine shibari masters. A few lessons with Arisue Go and Osada Steve made a massive difference to my work. A lot seems to be lost in translation by the time kinbaku crosses the world, so it is good to study it source. I'd heartily recommend this sort of tuition as it can avoid years of experimentation and picking up snippets of information, much of it wrong, here and there. Wish I had done it years ago.

Esinem -> RE: Shibari (8/29/2009 9:13:11 AM)
There's a glossary of Japanese terms here

RebornMaster -> RE: Shibari (8/29/2009 9:41:57 AM)
this was recently posted about in another forum with GREAT detail/information about shibari/kinbaku. here's the link, I hope... http://www.collarchat.com/m_1712617/tm.htm

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