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Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/11/2005 6:48:58 PM   
ProtagonistLily


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I participated in this fundraiser by bringing a coffee can to a party last night and also donating 50% of my bootblacking tips from that event. We raised a little over 30 dollars. We have no aspirations to win this basket, rather, we just want to help folks out.

And before anyone out there accuses the organizers of not being 'legit', I suggest you brush up on your leather history. These people are Nationally known and respected leather people.

Maybe you'll think about bringing a donation can to your next party or fetish event?

Lily

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

Please distribute freely Media Inquiries:

September, 2005 Victoria Gayton:
[email protected]

General Inquiries:

Catherine Gross: [email protected]

FUNDRAISING CONTEST ORGANIZED TO HELP 2 LEATHER CLUBS IN NEW ORLEANS

Catherine Gross (FetishAuctioneer.com), Ms. Victoria, and Viola Johnson are
sponsoring a fundraiser to help members of the New Orleans leather
community. So many have lost everything in the wake of Katrina's
devastating impact, and we want to help them rebuild their lives and
communities. While many individuals and organizations are contributing
their time, money and support to the relief effort, it is our hope that a
concerted group effort will enable us to offer even more to extended members
of our leather family who are in desperate need.



This fundraiser will be in the form of a contest, which will be open to
clubs, events and e-mail lists. The group contributing the largest
collective donation will win a basket stocked full of erotic goodies from
Fetish Auctioneer, valued at $250.00. All funds collected will be split
50/50 between two major leather clubs in New Orleans: Lords of Leather and
N.OB.L.E. Both clubs are still attempting to locate all of their members,
and they assume, due to the location of their event and/or play spaces, that
they have lost everything; in addition, some members of both clubs have lost
everything they own. Funds will be distributed by the respective officers
of both clubs to those members with the greatest need. The contest will run
from September 7, 2005 through October 20, 2005.



Donations will be accepted through a special Pay Pal account. Everyone
donating is asked to list their e-mail list name, event name or local club
in the "message" section. Totals will be monitored and tallied by
Catherine's assistant, Jen, via an Excel spreadsheet which will be updated
daily.



For information about how to make a donation, to see current donations, or
to get details on the prize basket being donated by Fetish Auctioneer,
visit: http://www.fetishauctioneer.com/nolacharity/nola.htm

The winner of the basket will be announced on October 21, 2005, via press
release.



Our club brothers and sisters in New Orleans are in need of our help and
support, so please help us get the word out by distributing this release to
any e-mail lists or other contacts you might have!

Catherine Gross

Http://www.BDSMClasses.com

Http://www.Fetishauctioneer.com

Http://www.SELeatherFest.com


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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/11/2005 7:24:41 PM   
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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/11/2005 7:32:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's something about targeting donations to help a specific group that doesn't seem quite right to me. I suppose it seems like saying "let's help folks I have something in common with and to hell with everyone else." But if this is such a "grand idea", I suppose it would also be all right to donate money to the KKK so you could be sure it would only go to help white victims of the hurricane.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/11/2005 8:15:36 PM   
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There's something about targeting donations to help a specific group that doesn't seem quite right to me. I suppose it seems like saying "let's help folks I have something in common with and to hell with everyone else." But if this is such a "grand idea", I suppose it would also be all right to donate money to the KKK so you could be sure it would only go to help white victims of the hurricane.


OK, so it might not seem right to you but why complain? Put your money or nothing where you wish.

~It it 'right' then that Catholic Charities is raising funds for Catholics that were affected?
~Is it 'right' then that the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals is not spreading their funds to humans?
~Is it 'right' that college students are raisaing funds for college students affected by Katrina?
~is it 'right' that United Cerebral Palsy is soliciting donations for the disabled?

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/11/2005 11:32:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's a good idea, too. At least stating the organization names lets people know it's legitimate.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/12/2005 7:58:29 AM   
ProtagonistLily


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I'm a little shocked by your response. I didn't say "Hey Kinky people, screw everyone else, just do community donations." I didn't say "Screw the Red Cross." If I somehow made it sound as if the only way to help in NOLA was to donate to leather clubs, I apologize. That was not the intent here.

For those of us who are involved in our local clubs, they have become an important part of our lives. We socialize at them, are educated at them and yes, we even play at them. And if my life were washed away from a natural disaster, really, the last thing I'd be thinking about would be "Oh My God, RKS is gone."

And then I'd be greatful to the folks who still had their spaces, their centers for education, who looked outside themselves and decided to help others in our community rebuild what they'd lost.

So, again, I'm certainly not saying this is the only way to help. I've given money to the Red Cross and bought cases of water that were shipped down there. My intent was to provide a link for folks who might not know of this specialized effort and give them an option.

Without options, life would be pretty boring.

Lily

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/12/2005 10:29:20 AM   
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Of course I know that your intentions are strictly honorable and laudable; the problem I have with it is the timing and not the substance. If this notice were come up again in a few months when the water is drained and NO is rebuilding then it would make perfect sense to seek donations to rebuild their club or whatever. But right now order has barely been restored; there are refugees seeking food, shelter and employment, and I think society should be drrawing together to help everyone rather than fragmenting into a "help your own kind" mentality as shown in that plea from the NO group.

For example, elegant mantions that Catholic charities are raising funds to help Catholics, and I suspect that she is severly distorting their efforts because I can't imagine they would turn someone away who needed food and shelter if they weren't Catholic; if they did so they would be the butts of scorn and seen as hardly charitable. Elegant also mentions the disabled and animals without considering that they are groups whose needs are poorly served elsewhere; I don't think a kinkster's need for a flogging puts them in the same category.

So I raise the question -- right now when so many have lost everything should preference be given to helping kinksters get back on their feet? And if we answer "yes" to that, then why shouldn't white people target help to just white folk, and rich yacht owners target help to other rich folk, or bowlers only help other bowlers? My argument is that there is plenty of time for targeted giving to special interests, but now isn't the time for it.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/12/2005 7:44:42 PM   
ProtagonistLily


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This fundraiser isn't just for the clubs proper. It's also to aid those individuals who are in need as well, with the funds being disbursed by the President's of those clubs to folks who belong who are personally, individually in need.

Frankly, I doubt highly that much funding will go into rebuilding the clubs as much as it will probably be distributed among those members who are most in need.

Lily

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/12/2005 9:18:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: happypervert

...the problem I have with it is the timing and not the substance. If this notice were come up again in a few months when the water is drained and NO is rebuilding then it would make perfect sense to seek donations to rebuild their club or whatever. But right now order has barely been restored; there are refugees seeking food, shelter and employment, and I think society should be drrawing together to help everyone rather than fragmenting into a "help your own kind" mentality as shown in that plea from the NO group.


This is your opinion but not the opinion of everyone, including some USA Today economists and editors of SmartMoney: 'Hurricane relief is the latest example of a trend in person-to-person philanthropy. Emerging charities have begun using techniques that eBay pioneered to let contributors find and finance small-scale projects. Like shoppers scouting for their favorite collectible on the Internet auction site, donors can search for particular philanthropic proposals that resonate with them.'
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-11-web-charities_x.htm


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For example, elegant mantions that Catholic charities are raising funds to help Catholics, and I suspect that she is severly distorting their efforts because I can't imagine they would turn someone away who needed food and shelter if they weren't Catholic; if they did so they would be the butts of scorn and seen as hardly charitable.


You are probably correct in that they would not turn away othrs but monies donated to Catholic Charities are funneled to dioceses in affected areas and that comment is not distorted. How would distorting that benefit me?

On the flip side: monies donated to the many groups and organizations providing assistance to leather/gblt/kink communities affected by Katrina will probably (IMO) assist others also. There are people in our fetish communities who are married to 'vanilla's', have children who are not 'leather' etc.

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Elegant also mentions the disabled and animals without considering that they are groups whose needs are poorly served elsewhere;.


Can you clarify this statement, please?

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My argument is that there is plenty of time for targeted giving to special interests, but now isn't the time for it.


Perhaps you should also take your arguments to these organizations that are raising funds for 'special interest' groups in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina:

Southern Arts Federation
Soliciting donations to help artists and arts organizations on the Gulf Coast touched by the hurricane.
http://www.southarts.org/

National Youth Advocacy Council
Tax-deductible contributions used to support humanitarian relief for LBGTQ youth and families from the devastated areas.
http://www.nyacyouth.org/

La Leche League
Cash donations/checks are needed to pay utilities for a safe house for six nursing mothers and babies affected by the storm plus fund for comfortable nursing chairs and rockers, nursing foot stool, baby clothes, diapers. wipes and baby toys, changing table, diaper genie, bed rail, futon, sheets, towels, nursing pads, stuff for the mothers to do/read, issues of NEW BEGINNINGS, copies of THE WOMANLY ART OF BREASTFEEDING
www.lalecheleague.org

Modest Needs
Has launched a special initiative designed to ease the financial burden placed on those persons who have opened their homes to friends, family members, and others displaced by Katrina.
http://www.modestneeds.org/donation/hurricane/

Church World Service
A relief agency operated jointly by 36 Protestant, Orthodox and Anglican denominations is raising funds to provide spiritual and emotional care for local clergy in the gulf region.
http://www.churchworldservice.org/


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I don't think a kinkster's need for a flogging puts them in the same category.


I agree with what Protagonist Lily stated about use of funds and what was miscommunicated in the PR Release by Fetish Auctioneer. Donations are not going to be used to buy floggers and St. Andrew’s Crosses.

From the leaders of NOBLE: “ Many people are going to find that they may have been underinsured. Some do not have flood insurance. Others may have lost their jobs. As a community we should address these issues, not leave them simply to the relief agencies.

So, we are in the process of establishing "The Leather Fund". This is a fund that will work, long term, with members of this community to assist them in reestablishing their lives. We hope to be able to find sources of funding for everything from retraining of unemployed to assistance in getting the necessary funds to clean out or rebuild a house that is not entirely covered by insurance. And other things that will not be clear to all of us until the waters recede and the Red Cross goes home.

Funds are available now, for immediate needs. If you have a need, please contact….(names removed for this post) The rebuilding process for both our personal lives and our community life will take time and effort. And money.”


I have donated money to Red Cross for hurricane relief. I will also donate to this cause. I ask you: If part of your family was in Louisiana..or Mississippi..or other areas destroyed by Hurricane Katrina would you not offer them help and put your monetary assistance to overall relief organizations because it's not right to 'help your own kind'? For many of us this is family!


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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 6:37:55 AM   
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FetishAuctioneer.com


What an absolutely wonderful idea. Even though my son and i both donated to the Red Cross right after the levees broke (it's the only way i can watch the tv news and not feel a ton of guilt), but have wanted to do a little more. i don't belong to a listserv anymore, attend munches, etc., so i really appreciate the url...

Warm regards
grits

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 9:30:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elegant

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For example, elegant mantions that Catholic charities are raising funds to help Catholics, and I suspect that she is severly distorting their efforts because I can't imagine they would turn someone away who needed food and shelter if they weren't Catholic; if they did so they would be the butts of scorn and seen as hardly charitable.


You are probably correct in that they would not turn away othrs but monies donated to Catholic Charities are funneled to dioceses in affected areas and that comment is not distorted. How would distorting that benefit me?

family!




Elegant,

Catholic Charities does not simply funnel money to the diocese in the affected areas. Catholic Charities is a social service agency in, af of, themselves which serves every single person that walks through their doors (or who are homeless due to Katrina). They do not discrimate as to race, color, creed, nationality nor even sexual preference. They are no different than the Salvation Army or even the Red Cross in this regard. Money donated to Catholic Charities goes to people, not to churches.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 11:58:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's fine to channel money to those within the leather community. As a practical matter, while I only personally know one person in the leather community who has been made homeless by the storm, I am "second degree" friends with a great many more. That's what happens when you're part of a real flesh-and-blood community. And yes, I will take just an extra step to help out my friends' friends.

This isn't just about helping out people who have an interest in kinky sex-- it's about community. The money is first and foremost going to help the NOLA community members who have devoted their time and energy to building and maintaining community. For some, these organizations *are* family. I can attest to the fact that the people who are promoting this fundraiser in my local community (::cough::Elegant::cough::) are the same people who are always out there, putting in the hours, working to keep the community strong.

HP, maybe you aren't involved in any clubs, and don't understand the way these folks are part of a fairly strong but informal, national (international?) network. This fundraiser is simply about tapping the resources of that network to help out some family members who really need it.

I've put in a lot of hours lately, webworking with those who have internet access to help find information on those who are still missing (since we often use scene names and aren't blood relatives, nola.com and the red cross can't help), for loved ones across the country. I promise, this is way, way more about community than just happening to have a common interest.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 12:20:32 PM   
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<SNIP> That's what happens when you're part of a real flesh-and-blood community.


Amen, sister. Amen.

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This isn't just about helping out people who have an interest in kinky sex-- it's about community. The money is first and foremost going to help the NOLA community members who have devoted their time and energy to building and maintaining community. For some, these organizations *are* family. I can attest to the fact that the people who are promoting this fundraiser in my local community (::cough::Elegant::cough::) are the same people who are always out there, putting in the hours, working to keep the community strong.


Very well put. Again, I think for the most part this separates the armchair kinksters from those of us who are actually practicing what it is we preach so to speak.

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This fundraiser is simply about tapping the resources of that network to help out some family members who really need it.


I couldn't agree with you more.

Basically, this is a rubber meets the road sort of issue. I never, in a gazillion years, expected this posting to create such a discussion, but I'm really glad it did.

What I think it has done more than anything is made me greatful that I am part of my community of BDSM'rs locally, and nationally. I'm not afraid to bring a can to a party labled NOLA donations, with a flyer explaining the effort and ask people to help. I live in an area of the country that Mother Nature steps on rarely; but when she does, it's usually in the form of devistating ice storms that bring down roofs, leave folks without water or electricity for sometimes weeks at a time.

Frankly, whether my club was still standing or not wouldn't be an issue.

That strangers in my community raised money for folks who'd lost homes, vehicles, etc, absolutely would.

Lily



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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 3:38:39 PM   
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This isn't just about helping out people who have an interest in kinky sex-- it's about community.

And that brings us to my point: what one person calls "community" here another can call a private club. So while you feel you are helping people in your community the aid from this is being selectively doled out to members of a private club in the larger community of New Orleans.

Anyway, I just wanted to draw attention to this point before folks got caught up in charitable zeal so that they could think about the larger issues of how they define community and whether or not it is a good thing for special interest "communities" or tribes to only help their own kind. Of course charity is a good thing and of course we'd all help our friends. But I find it troubling to think that there could be others who would define community by whatever clubs they belong to and focus their charity by that; for example if exclusive golf clubs were to do this I think we'd all be appalled, yet in substance that is no different than what we're talking about here.



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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 4:17:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: happypervert

There's something about targeting donations to help a specific group that doesn't seem quite right to me. I suppose it seems like saying "let's help folks I have something in common with and to hell with everyone else." But if this is such a "grand idea", I suppose it would also be all right to donate money to the KKK so you could be sure it would only go to help white victims of the hurricane.




By the same token, the aid that is supposedly not targeting a specific group really is. Only the truly destitute and those who were poor before Katrina hit are getting much in the way of aid. The middle class are getting a few hundred dollars and told to go bleed themselves dry, especially if they own homes (which may or may not be standing). Maybe they can come back when they've lost absolutely everything instead of only most of it.


The groups managing donations are Always targeting other specific groups.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 5:38:31 PM   
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On the "prize" for donating, I think it's ridiculous to try to entice people to donate to win something. If you're going to donate, do it out of the goodness of your heart, not because you want a new flogger on your belt.

Edited to avoid repetition.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/13/2005 5:41:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK does anyone here remember just a few years ago when the GLBT community in response to the Salvation Army's refusal to help gay partners in need inspired the boycott of the Buckets with the $5 I'm giving this $5 to XXX charity instead of to the Salvation Army.

You realise that while those of us that are legally allowed to marry can ask for and recieve relief efforts for their partners. The same is not true for our gay and lesbian community members. So one thing this endevor will do is help those people who in the past have been told No you're gay we're not helping you, from having to now, when the charity is forced by the fact that this is part of a Government response to give them aid, to go hat in hand to the same people who look down on them so much that unless forced will not assist them.

It's not about ONLY helping our own it's about ALSO helping our own.
We've already given to and supported the Red Cross now we also intend to make sure that our brothers and sisters in the Leather Community effected, are able to count on us.


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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/14/2005 5:51:43 AM   
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I don't think anyone is going to be donating in order to get the gift basket-- it's just a fun little incentive to get competitive.

Competition can sometimes really get people going-- when the tsunami hit in Asia, I devised a contest to get folks in my law school to shake a few extra pennies loose. I was known for being one of the most outspoken liberals, so I teamed up with the most obnoxous outspoken conservative student. I solicited pledges from liberal students (saying that they would or they had donated $ to an organization that was helping the survivors of the tsunami), and he did the same from conservative students. The "prize" was that the loser would wear a t-shirt selected by the winner for a full day, and would volunteer to be in the "hot seat" for all classes.

That means when he had a last minute $800 donation pledged, I had to wear a t-shirt with one of those blue-county/red-county maps (that make it look like the vast majority of people voted for Bush) with "Bush Country: My America!" written on it. I volunteered to answer all questions posed in all my classes. If he had lost, he would have worn a "Hilary for President" t-shirt.

Sure, students joked that they were donating in order to get a break in their classes, but nobody really did it for the prize-- more for bragging rights, maybe. We managed to get over $2,000 out of a group of students on very strict fixed student-loan budgets, so that was something.

Chances are, the leather organization that wins the basket will auction it off to the highest bidder, and send that money to relief efforts as well.

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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/14/2005 6:03:36 AM   
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But I find it troubling to think that there could be others who would define community by whatever clubs they belong to and focus their charity by that; for example if exclusive golf clubs were to do this I think we'd all be appalled, yet in substance that is no different than what we're talking about here.


No, I don't think I'd be appalled. I expect for people to be more generous with the folks that they spend their time with. If a member of a church's congregation gets ill, there's nothing wrong with members of that church devoting more resources and time to help that person, then they would for strangers (even though charity to strangers is part of their ideology). In the church I grew up in, collections were taken for homeless and impoverished strangers, but people really stepped up when Jake, the old-timer who handed out bulletins every Sunday, had a heart attack. Is there anything wrong with that?

I'm curious, given your perspective on the situation, how much of your own time do you regularly devote to your local leather community? How many committees do you sit on? There's nothing wrong with not being involved, if you choose not to be-- I'm just wondering what your level of involement is, and if that correlates to the way you define your community.

I think it's a mistake to focus on these being private clubs. For legal reasons, BDSM organizations in most states HAVE to operate as private clubs, in order to avoid public indecency charges. It doesn't mean they're exclusive, as a practical matter.


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RE: Help NOLA Leather Clubs - 9/14/2005 7:02:23 AM   
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Anyway, I just wanted to draw attention to this point before folks got caught up in charitable zeal


Yeah, what a mistake that'd be. God forbid we be charitable at all.

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