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4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 9:47:38 AM   
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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 9:56:41 AM   
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"Having something like this captured on videotape really sends the message home that we really need to take close look at what's going in our jails and prisons," Trevena said. "I think these types of things happened fairly routinely and it's only when you have unequivocal evidence like this that something can do done about."



Pretty much on par with the thread Sugar posted yesterday, isn't it? I wonder how long it will take before this thread turns into a 'bad cops/worse cops' routine.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 9:58:44 AM   
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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 10:00:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

As I said in another thread, I believe that (like any other group of people) there are more good ones than otherwise..it's just that the bad ones get the press... *sigh*



I suppose you could have dug online for a positive cops link. Was it that difficult :-) ?

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 10:01:19 AM   
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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 10:35:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that it is incredible that the "officers" are just suspended. What would happen to me if I threw a officer to the ground and broke two of his ribs on tape. I'd be in jail for years, not suspended. This is so open and shut. All those people lose job immediately, and charged for assault and battery.

It's fucking amazing. The problem here is that the cops are taught to treat people like shit. My business partner was in a restaurant a few days ago and overheard some cops at the next table talking about how they were being told to give a mandatory number of tickets and make a mandatory number of arrests! Arrests! Not just monetary harassment (tickets) but apparently they have arrest quotas now to, doubtful these are on paper official policies. But in an environment like that all good cops will eventually leave, and over time the shit remains in greater and greater numbers.

If there are still good cops that number is surely reducing by the year. How could one be good and keep there job if one has mandatory quotas on arrests. That's fucking nuts!

My opinion in a nutshell, the police are slowly become nazified.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 10:48:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		You're not alone in thinking this way; what's amusing is that the OP semi-protested in defense of the police yesterday after an other person posted a very similar thread - this time, it was about a woman who had been brutally stripped searched (by male officers) in Ohio.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 10:53:31 AM   
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I think that it is incredible that the "officers" are just suspended. What would happen to me if I threw a officer to the ground and broke two of his ribs on tape. I'd be in jail for years, not suspended.


This appears to have happened last month, and being suspended from their job during an investigation isn't the final consequence, it is routine.

And if you were accused of such a crime, you would be given the due process you want to deny these jailers, you would not be put directly in jail for years.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 10:55:28 AM   
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*backs away from thread slowly* one day was more than enough


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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:03:26 AM   
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You're not alone in thinking this way; what's amusing is that the OP semi-protested in defense of the police yesterday after an other person posted a very similar thread - this time, it was about a woman who had been brutally stripped searched (by male officers) in Ohio.


kittin.. I was NOT in any way defending the actions of the police in either story..  I was commenting (as I did AGAIN, above) that the situations where the cops fuck up for whatever reason (on purpose, accidentally, etc) gets plastered across the new services.
How many times do you hear news reports of cops that do positive things? The ones that talk to a kid who is headed in a dangerous direction (associating with gangs, etc), and make a difference? the ones that answer a domestic dispute call, and get the victim to a shelter? the ones that DONT automatically assume that because a person is homeless theyre worthless? 

THEY don't get the press... they just quietly go about the job they signed up for... "protect and serve".

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:04:58 AM   
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Here's the whole quote in context, instead of the one sentence snippet used, which is a lame approach, when the answer to the objection was in the very next sentence. Why do people do that? Just to argue or what.

I think that it is incredible that the "officers" are just suspended. What would happen to me if I threw a officer to the ground and broke two of his ribs on tape. I'd be in jail for years, not suspended. This is so open and shut. All those people lose job immediately, and charged for assault and battery(ANSWER).



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I think that it is incredible that the "officers" are just suspended. What would happen to me if I threw a officer to the ground and broke two of his ribs on tape. I'd be in jail for years, not suspended.


This appears to have happened last month, and being suspended from their job during an investigation isn't the final consequence, it is routine.

And if you were accused of such a crime, you would be given the due process you want to deny these jailers, you would not be put directly in jail for years.


That's ridiculous, I never said they should be thrown in jail immediately. I said they should be fired immediately and charged with assault.  The immediately word if you notice is only used in conjunction with the fired word. Also charged is different than convicted  indicating a formal process would need to take place before removal of any of their rights.

If I for example, work at any retail location,or any bank,or any factory, or nearly any place I can think of  and while on camera, threw an officer to the ground and broke two of his ribs would I not be fired immediately. The evidence is 100% clear as day here, with the video. Now, going to jail sure, that requires a process, the job part doesn't. A job is not a right therefore requires much less evidence to remove. Therefore it is 100% rational when given video tape evidence that shows beginning to end the assault  that a removal should take place in hours not months. Okay, I'll let them have a day.



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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:15:26 AM   
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How many times do you hear news reports of cops that do positive things? The ones that talk to a kid who is headed in a dangerous direction (associating with gangs, etc), and make a difference? the ones that answer a domestic dispute call, and get the victim to a shelter? the ones that DONT automatically assume that because a person is homeless theyre worthless? 



I hear about these cops as often as I hear about teachers teaching children to read. Or doctors saving people's lives. Or nurses devoting their days and their nights to thankless rounds of service on overcrowded wards. Hardly ever, nearly never. Why do the police always ask for extra rounds of gratitude? It's their work, to help people. Or so it should be anyway.

The problem is that many police officers frequently go out of their way to do just the opposite to helping their fellow human beings.

There is no time to wax lyrical about what a good job people are doing in the general press; to find those facts out, we can read police PR leaflets (they abound). On the other hand, it is the press' duty to inform the general public of instances whereby the police has gone out of its way to fuck up somebody's rights.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:22:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP you are correct the video is unbelievable.  It's rather clear that this woman viewed this human being as a thing.  Even the officers that assisted in putting him back in the chair took no precautions for his safety or attempted to keep him from being humiliated.  Picking another human being up by their hands is just ridiculously stupid, most children even know this.

It is unfortunate that there are so many here on CM that have become so overwrought with suspiscion that anyone that says anything about these abuse threads is either worried to be part of that paranoid mentality or gets attacked for pointing out that not all law enforcement is this law enforcement. 

Bad things happen at times, they shouldn't but they do.  In every single profession there are those that probably shouldn't be in the job.  There are good garbage men and bad garbage men too.  It does not make me believe that all garbage men are evil and out to destroy the world.  Yes, it's an exaggeration, but my god it's what all these threads sound like.  Seriously people, yes, support those that are wronged, but for god's sakes get a grip on reality.  Everyone in a uniform isn't out to get you, most of them would like nothing more than to help you when you needed it.  If you truly believe that statement isn't true, consult with a professional.

And on the record this time scifi, thank you for what you do and I'm sorry others can't see beyond their paranoia to realize what a thankless and difficult job being in law enforcement can be. 

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		"There is no time to wax lyrical about what a good job people are doing in the general press; to find those facts out, we can read police PR leaflets (they abound). On the other hand, it is the press' duty to inform the general public of instances whereby the police has gone out of its way to fuck up somebody's rights. " - kittinsol

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:32:34 AM   
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Thank you, laurell:)

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:34:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		One of the reasons those PR leaflets abound is because law enforcement is attempting to counter the bad apples and educate the public that it is the minority.  Sadly, I've seen many abused children's taped interviews wherein they stated they were afraid to report their abuser because they are afraid of police.  The average dedicated cop doesn't care what you think of them.  They know that bias comes with the job.  They aren't asking for your gratitude, they are asking you to let them do their job and stop spreading misinformation.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 11:39:16 AM   
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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 12:02:26 PM   
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Sadly, I've seen many abused children's taped interviews wherein they stated they were afraid to report their abuser because they are afraid of police. 



We agree. I don't see why there is an outcry on the boards because some of us are asking for a review of the way the police are: hired; trained; work.

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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 12:22:16 PM   
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Sadly, I've seen many abused children's taped interviews wherein they stated they were afraid to report their abuser because they are afraid of police. 



We agree. I don't see why there is an outcry on the boards because some of us are asking for a review of the way the police are: hired; trained; work.


"I don't see why there is an outcry on the boards "

um.. To many sadists here?





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RE: 4 suspended after quadriplegic dumped from chair - 2/13/2008 2:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wasn't 'asking for a review'. I posted it because *I* felt outraged by what had happened. What others may think of  it is up to them.



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