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Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/12/2005 11:18:47 PM

MsIce

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Ok this is a major rant.
I have just received a story about a Dominant woman who spikes the drink of an unsuspecting male to achieve Dominance over him. Ok I know it was fiction. But at that point I just closed the story
Why would a dominant woman need to drug a man in order to gain a submissive? There are so many submissive men that this simply isnt necessary
I have real issues with people thinking or fantasising that this would be an acceptable way to behave
I also believe that in order to be Dominant or submissive, no-one can actually force you against your will? And anyway - why would you bother?

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/12/2005 11:31:11 PM

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Ah, I've heard of it, too. Now, I have also chatted with submissives/slaves that have fantasies about this. They WANT to be used in this way. I remain open-minded. However I might disagree with it and it's not My way.

I have to say for Me, sober sex vanilla or not....it's MUCH nicer :)

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 12:24:05 AM

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Many submissives relish the idea of being forced against their will. Being drugged isn't really much different, it's just bringing that fantasy to a new level. I don't condone forcing someone to do something they aren't truly willing to; however, play rape can add a new level of thrill to playtime... as long as it stays safe, sane, and consensual. (Yeah, that's why it's play rape.)

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 12:34:42 AM

Dr24

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I dunno beign drugged and used sounds really sexy to me too but the ting is you would have to trust the person whose doing it to you compeltely and if you were at a club or something you'd have to make sure that he stays close to you .. imagine if it all went wrong hahaha .. shit that would be awful!

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 1:26:25 AM

imtempting

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ITs a story thats it.

Why are people into play rape when I think this is disgusting yet it is around.

Its just life.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 1:37:57 AM

greenie

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many subs have these fantasies that they feel they don't have a right to so to give up control to someone and being told to do something that you always wanted to do but felt you never could is like not only getting permission but not having a choice...a fantasy gets fulfilled. i would imagine that having someone drug you takes it even one step further out of your hands, and possibly fulfilling another fantasy on top of it. Many people are still struggling with what society has taught us is taboo and left to our own devices these things might remain strictly as fantasies. If it's consensual, even consensually non-consensual, i say go for it but take all necessary precautions.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 4:34:52 AM

IronBear

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I guess I'm old fashion, but I have a problem with drugs being used. (Probably thats why I spent years chasing drug suppliers). Lets look at it another way where the "victim" is non concenting and has no idea what is in store from this stranger - is this not another case of "Date Rape"? I'm betting that I'm not the only person here who has had to deal with the victims of this at some time or another.

Some fantacies are good to act out. Some and good to talk out, whilst others are best left as fantacies in the mind.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 5:03:25 AM

EmeraldSlave2

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It's not about need- no one NEEDS any toys or implements in order to be dominant over someone else.

You don't NEED to flog someone or run a knife over their back or whip them or humiliate them...you don't NEED any of that to have a happy intense relationship.

But most of us have some sort of kink we get off on.

I've had drugging fantasies for as long as I can remember, it remains one of my most potent things to do. LOOOOVE IT.

Oh- and people DO practice drugging as part of their consensual scenes, it IS acceptable to a lot of people.

I'm sure people feel the same as you do when they read rape stories or other stories that, if REAL, would be horrifying. That's why we have forums like this, do discuss the issue in context.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 6:31:21 AM

ChereeAmoor

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As with anything else, there are those who love it, those who hate it, and those in between - but I too have a lot of problems finding erotic stories that don't go over a line or two. There was one that a friend sent me that was perfect in almost every regard except for the nearly continual name-calling, like bitch, slut, whore, pig - you get the idea.

Some people just LOVE that. It makes me snarl. Lots of fantasies make me scratch my head in confusion - doesn't mean they are right or wrong, it just means I personally don't get it.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 7:06:02 AM

thetammyjo

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsIce

Ok this is a major rant.
I have just received a story about a Dominant woman who spikes the drink of an unsuspecting male to achieve Dominance over him. Ok I know it was fiction. But at that point I just closed the story
Why would a dominant woman need to drug a man in order to gain a submissive? There are so many submissive men that this simply isnt necessary
I have real issues with people thinking or fantasising that this would be an acceptable way to behave
I also believe that in order to be Dominant or submissive, no-one can actually force you against your will? And anyway - why would you bother?

The why someone would want to be "forced" with drugged or any other might deal with two issues -- romantic notions and not being responsible for what happens.

I bet that from a top view point the reasons are a bit different -- desire to be in "complete" control and fear of not being worthy of being the person on top.

Personally, both sets of motivation are huge turn-offs to me. If someone shared such a story with me with information that it turned her/him on, then I could use that information to help me decide whether this was a person worthy developing anything with.

I think you did the perfect thing, MsIce, when you just stopped reading it. Clearly it reflects either the writer's fantasies or ones which he/she believes readers will enjoy. No reason in the world to read fiction for pleasure that does not give you pleasure.

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,
TammyJo

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 7:19:38 AM

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quote:

It's not about need- no one NEEDS any toys or implements in order to be dominant over someone else.

You don't NEED to flog someone or run a knife over their back or whip them or humiliate them...you don't NEED any of that to have a happy intense relationship.

But most of us have some sort of kink we get off on.

I've had drugging fantasies for as long as I can remember, it remains one of my most potent things to do. LOOOOVE IT.

Oh- and people DO practice drugging as part of their consensual scenes, it IS acceptable to a lot of people.

I'm sure people feel the same as you do when they read rape stories or other stories that, if REAL, would be horrifying. That's why we have forums like this, do discuss the issue in context.

Emeraldslave2

i cannot think of any mind-altering drug which is legal, apart from alcohol. Using illegal drugs places safety front and center because it's so difficult to know the ingredients, etc. The ONLY drug i know that renders a person helpless is GHB; and it has been responsible for over 3,000 emergency room visits in 2001, which is the most recent year given in the URL below.

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/gamma/index.html

Quite apart from safety is legality; i would not want someone in my life who used illegal drugs for a variety of reasons. If it were up to me, i would legalise drugs; but at this time there is a series of illegal drugs and i have no desire to be near law-breakers.

pinkpleasures

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 7:30:32 AM

Mercnbeth

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i cannot think of any mind-altering drug which is legal, apart from alcohol.

there are an enormous number of prescription drugs which ARE mind-altering, either as the intentional desired effect or as a side affect. if used by the one who the prescription is written for, it makes them legal.

then there is the issue of what is legal? is it legal for a Native American to imbibe mind-altering peyote as part of a religious ritual, but illegal for this slave because she is not Native American? or an even better example, the law of the Great State of California says this slave can legally smoke marijuana if she has a prescription, but the feds say it is illegal---however, this slave thinks they both agree it can indeed be mind-altering.

p.s. some of the most potent chemical substances are in our own minds--an intense scene with Master alters this slave's mind every time, and last she checked, those chemicals are very legal.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 7:37:06 AM

EmeraldSlave2

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This might be helpful:

Chloroform anyone?

My fascination with it is partly due to being helpless. I don't feel guilty over what I want, I don't need to feel like "he made me do it, I couldn't stop him" but I certainly do ENJOY feeling like I'm completely helpless and completely at another's mercy.

The other part is simply objectification. I'm just a wet hole piece of meat to use as he wants. That really gets me hot.

The fact is that it's a kink, like any other. It's an edgier type of kink, not one discussed or seen as commonly as flogging, but it's done, regularly, and reasonably safe.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 9:50:49 AM

Phoenixandnika

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Greetings,

I think we have to remember the difference between several things here.

Reality vs. fantasy - If its a story its simply close the book, x out of the site, do not read it, it its reality then other things come into play.

Conscential vs. nonconscential. - There are many out there myself included who love the idea of being taken and raped. The idea of using drugs to do so have crossed my mind. Cloraphormn is one way to do that. This in no way condons date rapes, It is my fantasy. It is part of what my Master and I enjoy.

Legal vs. illegal - The reality is many simple things that we do within alternative livestyle are illegal. In some counties /states it is still on the books and a crime to give a man a blow job. somecounties / states consider whipping, bondage, flogging, ect and marks left from it spousal abuse.

We are all I assume part of an "alternative lifestyle" on some level or another. We are all in ways out side of "society's norms" so why is it we are constantly pointing fingers and juding what others enjoy or practice. Yes, I know its human nature. I know we are all different. I do not expect us to gather around and sing kumbia, but good grief. Why does anyone care how far 2 conscenting adults take something or how far an artist takes an erotic story. You do not like it again do not do it or do not read it.

Nika{Phoenix}
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< Message edited by Phoenixandnika -- 9/13/2005 9:52:43 AM >

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 11:19:37 AM

FTopinMichigan

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quote:

Reality vs. fantasy - If its a story its simply close the book, x out of the site, do not read it, it its reality then other things come into play.

Conscential vs. nonconscential. - There are many out there myself included who love the idea of being taken and raped. The idea of using drugs to do so have crossed my mind. Cloraphormn is one way to do that. This in no way condons date rapes, It is my fantasy. It is part of what my Master and I enjoy.

I agree, we all the choice to read or not read a story, whether fantasy, or real.

I guess, that I'll never understand the draw to reading, or fantasizing a violent act though. While it is clear that "role play" can sometime be fun and exciting, "rape" is about violence, not hot sex.

I will admit my take on this topic may be somewhat skewed, as someone that "was" drugged, and subsquently sexually assulted, while out of the county many years ago. <I am fortunate enough that the drugs were strong enough to withhold me having an actual memory of the assult though.> I just have a hard time figuring how it can be considered fun for fantasy fodder.

It would be a weak (and crimimal) Dom/me that would utilize drugs, without consent, or for the sole purpose to "dominant."

I enjoy when both parties (or all) are conscious and aware of what's happening, so they can respond and enjoy it all...in pleasure!

K

PS And just to clarify that my response here is not to anyone in particular, as this topic has come up in serveral threads with many opinions already posted on role/rape. Just a general response to the group.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 11:49:59 AM

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GHB, roofies, LSD, marijuana, peyote, heroin, percocet, halcion (sp?), xanax...the list of mind altering drugs is endless!

I had a friend (male) who had a fantasy of being chloroformed and then essentially "forced" to please a woman. He would give a very detailed description of how he thought it would be.

He began rethinking his fantasy when another friend and I started to explain some of the issues. Like the fact that chloroform is no longer used for anethesia because of the inability to accurately dose, or that with something like that, his "attacker" would have to be so busy monitoring his vital signs that there would be no time for play.

I can see the attraction of some of these types of fantasies for all the reasons already mentioned. I would just hope that anyone who consents to participating in such things would be extremely careful. The drugs made in home labs are the most dangerous (GHB, roofies, etc.) because each batch can vary greatly, which is another reason they have caused so many problems.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 9:26:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsIce

Ok this is a major rant.
I have just received a story about a Dominant woman who spikes the drink of an unsuspecting male to achieve Dominance over him. Ok I know it was fiction. But at that point I just closed the story
Why would a dominant woman need to drug a man in order to gain a submissive? There are so many submissive men that this simply isnt necessary

Since submissives often complain that Dommes won't give them the time of day, as a fantasy, I could see why a submissive man would like to think that AT ANY MOMENT a woman he would never imagine would drug poor unsuspecting him, reveal her Domme-side, and use the heck out of him. Isn't that how the story goes? lol

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/13/2005 11:47:45 PM

pandoravampire

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Two consenting adult, shit faced on god knows what drug, one play raping the other, sounds like THEY are having THEIR fun,

doesnt bother me none.

ps. alcohol is a drug.
pps, its hard to rape a man thats on chloroform. He's unconscious. So's his cock. So would be my libido, but hey ho, each to their own

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/14/2005 1:00:32 AM

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I think that once again, this is something that sits on the edge of fantasy vs. reality.

Stories, films, magazines, even our own imaginations play into the fantasy of such risky activities. Whether it be a submissive having to give into certain "urges" because they have been drug induced, consensual and non-consensual rape or kidnapping.

As a community we all understand that each one of us have our own personal enjoyments. But legally, a line must be drawn and held firm. No one, either Dominant or submissive should risk private or personal safety. I personally do not think that any activities should be participated in, unless those participating fully understand any and all possible outcomes and risks that are involved.

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RE: Stories of Drugging to achieve Dominance - 9/14/2005 6:24:27 AM

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EmeraldSlave2

quote:

But most of us have some sort of kink we get off on.

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grins......and SOME of us are non sexual..and do not get off on anything...

i think this whole thing about the fantasy is just that..someone expressing a fantasy.
i personally doubt anyone is THAT silly to try the stuff in real life.......
but if someone wanted to...i would HOPE there is enough common sense...to watch ALL safety measures.........

y'all take care......

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