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Aneirin -> Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 2:10:52 AM)

In our modern age we seem swamped with labelling of all kinds as pertaining to people. Now it seems everyone has a label, be it OAP, immigrant,student,disabled, criminal etc.

Now I see this labelling as an effective way of channelling people to the places where they might get help with their label but it would seem all the places these labels go to, are all under funded and over stretched leading to the labelled people not getting the help their description needs.

Has our apparent interest in the labelling of someone as this, that or the other actually created the problems with the various services, or is it that there is a section of society that actually personally , (secretly?) seeks a label in order to get something they feel they are missing out on?

Those here that are not labelled as a special needs group, do you feel you are missing out on what your country seems keen to provide for certain groups?




KenDckey -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 4:23:50 AM)

I hate labeling.   I think it is so stupid.   How about just 2 labels.   I am an american   yes or no  And if no am I legal or illegal




LadyEllen -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 5:15:47 AM)

a label like those you describe is more often a reason to deny public services or to provide "special" (lesser) services.

there are vested interests at both ends of the political spectrum for such labels and variable treatments to be maintained
E




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 6:43:22 AM)

Sometimes labels are necessary in order to ensure that all are treated with the dignity and respect that are inherently theirs. I agree that, unfortunately, labels can be used as a means of creating an inversion of good will, wherein those who are "un-labeled" are denied that basic respect and dignity. In our desire not to be seen as heartless or indifferent to the need of others, we many times go overboard in the opposite direction.




KenDckey -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 6:45:03 AM)

If you don't treat people with dignity and respect then a label isn't going to help.   It jus puts the person labeled in a box so that it can be neatly shelved




pahunkboy -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 6:53:15 AM)

we need labels so we know what the heck we are talking about.

signed the crippld fggt....   [jk but not]




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 7:01:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

If you don't treat people with dignity and respect then a label isn't going to help.   It jus puts the person labeled in a box so that it can be neatly shelved


The person can refuse to be "neatly shelved," but rather wave the label like a flag and say, "Here I am. I will not be ignored or treated shabbily."

Seriously. If it weren't for the ADA, I would be literally home-bound and dependent on others for almost everything. Being labeled as "disabled" has not given me "special treatment," but the assurance of being treated equally so that I can be truly independent.

In an ideal world, everyone would be cognizant of the special needs of others, and no one would be discriminated against. However, we all know to well that this is not an ideal world, so we need labels to highlight those who need our concern and care.




faerytattoodgirl -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 7:02:39 AM)

without labels how would you know if you were eating cat food or dog food or rat food? etc




Creating -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 7:11:40 AM)

Labels are just words that other people define us by. We also use labels to describe our self. Words are powerful. What you think about and the words you say and how you say them create your experience here on earth. (Law of Attraction) Albert Einstein proved it.     As long as there are words there will always be labels. How else will you describe to someone else who you are? Just don't allow others to define who you are. Sometimes we are all indefinable and it's great. When you live in the moment and have an awesome experience, that moment is usually indescribable, but yet when those moments happen we are always looking for a way to describe it, to label it. So whether or not you hate or love labels, labels will always be around just as words to describe every experience will be.   Labels and words don’t cause problems. People and how they use and respond to words/labels cause problems. Most people in this society want to blame everyone outside of themselves for the problems that they have created in their own life and really they have no one to blame but themselves. Not their spouse, not their teacher, not their best friend or their government. Each person is responsible for their own actions and the things that happen to them.   As for me nope I don’t feel left out at all. Call me what you want. I know who I am and I can careless what others think about me or call me.




pahunkboy -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 7:18:16 AM)

Call me anything but late to dinner?




SubbieOnWheels -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 7:18:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Creating
Each person is responsible for their own actions and the things that happen to them.  


So the person in a wheelchair because of a drunk driver is responsible for building a ramp up to the courthouse so he can attend the trial?

Some labels are valid and need to be respected.




toservez -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 9:22:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Creating

Labels are just words that other people define us by. We also use labels to describe our self. Words are powerful. What you think about and the words you say and how you say them create your experience here on earth. (Law of Attraction) Albert Einstein proved it.     As long as there are words there will always be labels. How else will you describe to someone else who you are? Just don't allow others to define who you are. Sometimes we are all indefinable and it's great. When you live in the moment and have an awesome experience, that moment is usually indescribable, but yet when those moments happen we are always looking for a way to describe it, to label it. So whether or not you hate or love labels, labels will always be around just as words to describe every experience will be.   Labels and words don’t cause problems. People and how they use and respond to words/labels cause problems. Most people in this society want to blame everyone outside of themselves for the problems that they have created in their own life and really they have no one to blame but themselves. Not their spouse, not their teacher, not their best friend or their government. Each person is responsible for their own actions and the things that happen to them.   As for me nope I don’t feel left out at all. Call me what you want. I know who I am and I can careless what others think about me or call me.


I loved this post.

Labels are used by everyone period! It is a necessity for communication.

The difference in labels is as this post mentions is if there is judgment and/or false qualities associated to the label by the person or if it is just to communicate better.

People have the right to complain if people who use a label on them do so to judge. People who think they cannot be labeled and have problems thinking people do is a reflection on them in their thought process and the reality of life and language.





Gwynvyd -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 5:30:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Creating

Labels are just words that other people define us by. We also use labels to describe our self. Words are powerful. What you think about and the words you say and how you say them create your experience here on earth. (Law of Attraction) Albert Einstein proved it.     As long as there are words there will always be labels. How else will you describe to someone else who you are? Just don't allow others to define who you are. Sometimes we are all indefinable and it's great. When you live in the moment and have an awesome experience, that moment is usually indescribable, but yet when those moments happen we are always looking for a way to describe it, to label it. So whether or not you hate or love labels, labels will always be around just as words to describe every experience will be.   Labels and words don’t cause problems. People and how they use and respond to words/labels cause problems. Most people in this society want to blame everyone outside of themselves for the problems that they have created in their own life and really they have no one to blame but themselves. Not their spouse, not their teacher, not their best friend or their government. Each person is responsible for their own actions and the things that happen to them.   As for me nope I don’t feel left out at all. Call me what you want. I know who I am and I can careless what others think about me or call me.


Very good posting.. but I would also add, that we also have the right and duty of stewardship of others in our society who can not do certain things for themselves. The ADA is a key component of this. As is SSI, and the VA.

Personaly I am used to people judging me, and calling me a number of things.. however I do feel it my duty to stand up for equality not only for myself.. but for everyone who is treated unjustly because of ignorance. The world will never change, and people will never change thier views and grow if you allow them to think that hateful words, and actions are OK. African Americans would still be slaves if no one had stood up. Germany would have won, and infiltraded the world with thier hateful ideals if people had not stood up against them.

There comes a time when you must stand up not only for yourself.. but for others.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.


This also goes for ageism, sexual orientation and religious intolerance and any other differances silly humans come up with to make themselves more self important.

I think this is why it grips my ass so hard when I see all of these Black Leaders speaking out about the Evils of gays... they were once in thier shoes not all that long ago as far as civil rights go....

Bigotry in it's highest art form.

Gwyn




batshalom -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 6:09:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: toservez

Labels are used by everyone period! It is a necessity for communication.



There's the billion-dollar answer. If there were no labels, no one would know what anyone else was talking about. Besides, labels can be good for identifying crazy cat ladies, wankers, booger-eaters, sock-chewers, geeks, the stinkin' rich ... omg ... how addicting ...




charmdpetKeira -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 7:57:35 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Has our apparent interest in the labelling of someone as this, that or the other actually created the problems with the various services, or is it that there is a section of society that actually personally , (secretly?) seeks a label in order to get something they feel they are missing out on?




What my country provides is a myth, though I do not see this as a “my country” problem, just that I only know specifics about mine.
 
I believe there are at least two reasons for this, but will only address the one mentioned in the OP; labeling.
 
There is nothing wrong with labeling, just in not realizing, labeling is only good up to a certain point, as it realistically only gives a general idea. In the lower ranks of Social Services, there is a one size fits all perspective. Those who do understand two people can have the same situation, but for different reasons, usually have their hands tied by the system.
 
I believe higher up, where the programs are thought up, and decisions for funding are made, there is a whole different reasoning.
 
k




popeye1250 -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 8:57:23 PM)

Gwynvyd, "but when they came for me I was lying in wait for them, I'd set an ambush and they walked right into it, killed two immediately with the blasts of 00 buckshot, the rest I killed with a glock .40 cal."
That "came for me" stuff would never work in the U.S. thanks to the second amendment.




MzMia -> RE: Social labelling and it's effects (2/14/2008 9:03:10 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Gwynvyd, "but when they came for me I was lying in wait for them, I'd set an ambush and they walked right into it, killed two immediately with the blasts of 00 buckshot, the rest I killed with a glock .40 cal."
That "came for me" stuff would never work in the U.S. thanks to the second amendment.


Happy V Day Popeye, stop drinking and go to bed.




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