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Femdom Hypnosis - 2/15/2008 6:52:31 PM   
DominaJayde


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Status: offline 		One of my Boys expressed an interest in Femdom Hypnosis, something, until I did a google search, I had never heard of, most of the sites that came up seem to be pay sites and therefore not much help, do any other Ladies have any information they can impart, or resources, as it seems to me that hypnotising someone is a very specialised arena, and you would need training I would suspect.

I don't think it would be something I'd like to try just on a whim.

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/15/2008 8:24:41 PM   
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Under the right circumstances and with the right Domme, i would certainly be willing to be Her subject. It seems to me that it would be another opportunity for me to be under Her "spell, guidance and control".
Thanks,
jack

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/15/2008 9:44:09 PM   
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Hello,
Under the right circumstances and with the right Domme, i would certainly be willing to be Her subject. It seems to me that it would be another opportunity for me to be under Her "spell, guidance and control".
Thanks,
jack

That is basically what he said, that it would be another layer of his submission to Me, but I have no idea how to go about it, or even what it entails.

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/15/2008 11:14:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		It can be extremely powerful, I suggest reading up on Ericksonian Hypnosis and NLP to learn a bit about it. If you could find someone, paid or not, who would be a guide it IMO would work well for you. A lot depends on chemistry, skill (of the tyst and trancees) and what you/he are seeking. One thing... things that seem unreal... may be entirely possible!

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 4:07:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you dear for that info, I shall do some more looking and researching,

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 6:09:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's some food for thought.......after he is "allegedly" hypnotised, what do you have him do?  Humiliating things?  Dress up as a sissy?  Take the worst whipping ever?

Are these things he would do anyway?
Now, they say, and mine you this is just what I've heard, that you can't make anyone do anything under hypnosis they wouldn't do anyway.
Just think about that.  And, think about the fact that most of your searches are leading you to "pay-sites."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 12:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressVnus

Here's some food for thought.......after he is "allegedly" hypnotised, what do you have him do?  Humiliating things?  Dress up as a sissy?  Take the worst whipping ever?

Are these things he would do anyway?
Now, they say, and mine you this is just what I've heard, that you can't make anyone do anything under hypnosis they wouldn't do anyway.
Just think about that.  And, think about the fact that most of your searches are leading you to "pay-sites."
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


Why there's a lot you can do under hypnosis... grins ebilly

Anything from convincing him that his arms are tied to his sides to making him cringe/get turned on at the sight of a whip. The deeper a subject can go the more open the possibilities. Heck you can develop something into a major turn-on that the person "just didn't get" before, drive them to habitually do things without realizing it... even alter memories. I've known people who's whole lives have been changed by trancing.

If you consider how, driven, some males are by thier cocks... just imagine if you turned that kind of drive onto something else you wanted him to do. Maybe even something he doesnt wants to do. Hypnosis mixed with D/s can be a powerful thing but it takes a lot of trust and a lot of skill/practice.

Hypnosis IS edgeplay Ma'am.

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P.S> While most hypnosis sites are paid sites, I would venture it is because of the degree of work and skill it takes to become a good hypnotist. Now I certainly can't vouch for every nut who opens a website and calls themself Mistress Mystique/Master All-Powerful, but the good ones have put a lot of effort into thier trade (and will put a lot of effort into your subby).

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 12:18:08 PM   
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Maybe even something he doesnt wants to do.


They say you can't make someone do anything under hypnosis that they wouldn't want to do, normally.

Have you experienced this for yourself?


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 2:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Creative suggestion is always possible.

For example in a test a subject was made to harm another person through being placed in the predicament that they was under personal threat and their survival instinct kicked in.
The situation was that there was this Perspex screen between the subject under hypnosis and a person pretending to be a prison guard. In the test when the subject was given the suggestion that they were in grave danger from this prison guard they threw acid at the guard to aid their escape.

It is commonly said you can't make people do things under hypnosis they ordinarily wouldn't do but then I've seen someone strip down to their underwear in a public place and lay on a pool table because they were told the pool table was a sunbed in a private tanning salon and they were topping up their tan. It begs the question as to if that person would ordinarily do that, I tend to think not.


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 4:08:05 PM   
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It is commonly said you can't make people do things under hypnosis they ordinarily wouldn't do but then I've seen someone strip down to their underwear in a public place and lay on a pool table because they were told the pool table was a sunbed in a private tanning salon and they were topping up their tan. It begs the question as to if that person would ordinarily do that, I tend to think not.


I'm not really disputing that there might not be a useful purpose, for "real" hypnosis in a BDSM setting.  However, my cynical nature would like to hear from "anyone" on this board who has actually had an experience doing something in a BDSM setting that they wouldn't do anyway. 

So far, I've not witnessed, nor heard, any 1st hand accounts.  In fact, the one 1st hand account I've been privy to was another Mistress(es) at a tea watching a Mistress,  new to the neighborhood, hynotize a guy then make him dress up in women's clothing.  Ends up...he is a "sissy" anyway.  GO FIGURE!!
But if I do get some actual first-hand accounts (more than 1-3) that are credible,  I may very well go get hypno-licensed.
That's all I'm asking for.  Not what "could" happen.  I have enough imagination for that.  But, rather..what "DID" happen.

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 7:26:01 PM   
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I have had sleep type hypnosis where a Domme  put on headphone while i slept and gave subliminal messages  , It was a interesting tool and yes it did work , and yes your also right  you will not do anything you are not already open to .
If your not  wishing to dress as a fairy princess and prance  around a public mall in full dress with a wand  and pixie dust no hypno suggestive  means shall make you do so .
So careful and search your sub conscious realms  .

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/16/2008 10:33:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MistressVnus

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Maybe even something he doesnt wants to do.


They say you can't make someone do anything under hypnosis that they wouldn't want to do, normally.

Have you experienced this for yourself?


In short, Yes.




The simple fact is that you can't really tell if something was instilled in you or a part of you all allong, but just didn't conciously accept. I know I was one way before because I remember being that way, but now its hard to imagine not having that desire. Some aspects of who I am make me wonder if/to what degree they were affected by my trancing. At first it supprised me how real it can be... it still does at times. I have struggled against things months, even a year after the suggestion was made only unable to break free of it. Such work is difficult, and I have only known three tysts who I consider capable of working on such a level. I consider it a honor to have known and worked with them. Still some of the things... *shivers*

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 3:45:54 AM   
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In short, Yes.


Ok, SubmissiveAK.  I just perved your profile.  You're very young.  In a very isolated part of the world which, even in your own words, has made it difficult to find partners, therefore, your actual experiences with BDSM have been extremely limited.  AND, you have plenty going on which suggests there are quite a few things you would do, anyway, even if brought about under hynosis.

So, I'm curious.  Could you be more specific about these 3 experiences you've had.  Like, which licensed hypnotist did you see?  Was it in a BDSM context or in relations to "other" issues you are coming to terms with?  What did they make you do you wouldn't have already done in regards to BDSM?  I need something more here before your input will become credible to me.

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 4:25:41 AM   
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We're speaking about "doing something they wouldn't normally do" in the wrong manner.

Under hypnosis, the operator cannot coerce the subject to do something beyond their rational function, say....commit murder.  The subject's rational thinking cannot be overridden.  The act of murder or even the act of severe non-consensual bodily harm is against the morals of a majority of individuals.

However, under hypnosis, the operator can reduce the anxiety and social dysfunction (primarily fear) associated with something like being naked in front of others, barking like a dog or licking up one's own ejaculate off of the carpet.  This act harms no one, therefore, the rational thinking and the morals alarm doesn't sound off in the subject's head, allowing the operator to continue to allay the subject's fears and NORMALIZE the modified behavior that they are instructing the subject to perform.   Hypnosis can convince someone they have breasts or that their hand is glued and firmly affixed somewhere else to their body or to another object.  The operator uses the subject's mind to reinforce the perceived condition -- for instance, 'the more you try to remove your hand, the more it's stuck.'  Bringing the subject to a full state of conscious awareness and having that hand still stuck is a strong affirmation that hypnosis and mind control can and does work WHEN THE SUBJECT ALLOWS IT. 
Things like triggers are just imbedded imagery in one's subconscious and allow the operator to connect work done in hypnosis to the subject's conscious world.  A trigger can be used to bring about a behavior, to modify an undesirable behavior, or to induce one back into a trance or hypnotic state (helpful to reduce the time required to induce someone to do further hypnotherapy.)  Hypnosis can even be done in busy places, as evidenced by state 'teuses doing shows where they include a modifier -- 'the sounds and noises you hear around us will only serve to deepen your state of deep relaxation'.

There's a great Yahoo group run by Richard and Genie called Hypnosis for Lovers that will help you on a path to learning more about hypnosis and how it can work for you in the course of dominance or just being more sexy.  They closed their Vegas show and have been performing on the east coast.  Exotic Hypnotics is the name of the act....you can google Richard and write him for admission to the list.  Tell him Pandora sent you.


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 4:54:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Pandora.

I kinda got all those "you could do this" ideas and they sound great.

I am just waiting to hear from someone who has actually been the recipient of a hypnotic, bdsm experience in which they actually experienced something that was unique to anything they have done, or already wanted to do, and was an enjoyable experience that they remember.  And that it is credible and can be verified as being done by a licensed hypnotist. Thats all.

I'm just not yet convinced as to how much of it out there is really authentic and effective.  And/or, not just the simple power of suggestion  Which, most of us know, needs no hypnosis to be effective.

I went to one of these hyno shows a looooooooong time ago.  It was a dinner/hypno thing.  Although entertaining and fun, I wasn't convinced and had my suspicions that there were "plants" in the audience.  Most of the more entertaining activity seemed to evolve around 1 or 2 people, only.  And they picked about 12 out of the crowd.

In regards to this particular BDSM activity.  I am extremely skeptical.  But, that's just me.


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 5:00:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mistress Venus, it's not just or even primarily a matter of having a sub do something under hypnosis they wouldn't do otherwise. It's a matter of deepening, enhancing and sometimes hastening the descent (or ascent) into subspace. Think of it as another tool, along with setting, music, Your voice, the appearance of toys hanging on the wall, fetish clothing, etc. All of which can bring a sub deeper or more readily under Your control and increase the sub's willingness and ability to be taken where You'd like to.  And yes, maybe too, it will lessen personal inhibitions or provide the "excuse" to allow the sub to go somewhere or do something they might want to but otherwise wouldn't.

In a sense, all good Dom/mes are hypnotisits, using whatever techniques and personal qualities they possess to bring a sub along.

Hypnotism is just another method or toy. For those of us who relish the emotional and mental as well as the physical, the more fun toys the better.

To me,  hypnosis is like chiropractic. Frankly I don't believe a word of the mumbo jumbo of how it works on the spine. But when I was running competitively, damn, it worked and I didn't care what it was or how it worked. Maybe it was just someone attuned to bodies and muscles and how they worked, along with a few quasi-medical toys that made it  to work a bit better. And maybe a HypnoDomme is just someone with an innate sense of how the mind works, with a soothing seductive voice who memorizes a few induction transcripts and by clothing it in hypnosis makes it work all that much better. Who cares? Not me.


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 5:21:18 AM   
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And maybe a HypnoDomme is just someone with an innate sense of how the mind works, with a soothing seductive voice who memorizes a few induction transcripts and by clothing it in hypnosis makes it work all that much better. Who cares? Not me.


I think we're exactly on the same page here.  And, if that's really what it is...then....I need look no further.   Sounds just like good Domination to me. *chuckle*


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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 8:57:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I attended a seminar about hypnosis a few years ago at a BDSM convention presented by two presenters who enjoy strong credibility in the local BDSM community.

Amongst the different demos, one was to remove a word from the sub's vocabulary which she commonly used.

On the question of why use hypnosis when you can simply order the desired behavior, I think the appeal is similar to bondage. Why use bondage when you can simply tell someone not to move? I think the appeal is that the sub is more helpless against the command. Furthermore, hypnosis, like bondage, has potential to enable a behavior with which a person might otherwise struggle and fail to independently achieve.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 3:06:53 PM   
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In short, Yes.


Ok, SubmissiveAK.  I just perved your profile.  You're very young.  In a very isolated part of the world which, even in your own words, has made it difficult to find partners, therefore, your actual experiences with BDSM have been extremely limited.  AND, you have plenty going on which suggests there are quite a few things you would do, anyway, even if brought about under hynosis.

So, I'm curious.  Could you be more specific about these 3 experiences you've had.  Like, which licensed hypnotist did you see?  Was it in a BDSM context or in relations to "other" issues you are coming to terms with?  What did they make you do you wouldn't have already done in regards to BDSM?  I need something more here before your input will become credible to me.


Thanks for perving my profile

My first experiences with D/s began with hypnosis, roughly two and a half years ago. Living in AK makes it harder to find someone to tie me up and spank me silly, but the internet opens wide possibilities with what is esentially a non-physical event. I can't really explain what it was like unless you've experienced it, and there is nothing I can say to "prove" anything so read it as you will. I'm trying to help you here in one of the few fields I have experience.

I have worked with two trained hypnotherapists, neither of which were good enough/compatable enough to work with me on a deep level. I do not know whether it is respectful of them for me to mention names. One of the three people I talked of claims to have been trancing for two decades, and I believe her. I know that she worked with me to trance on a deeper level, and I think she worked with me to overcome my fears of trusting/letting go in trance. I think she also helped me get to the point that I forget my trances. I know that somewhere, my mind "knows" what happened but I cant recall it. It doesn't bother me as much as you think it would, and that might be due to trance itself. Her skills inspire a level of fear (and desire) that I know firsthand to be well-deserved.

Another was not as experienced, but she was a savant when it came to NLP. I still dont quite understand it (NLP always knocks me on my ass) but just by talking she somehow created or opened desires inside me. Sexual desires, paticularly bi-sexuality (I used to be quite prudish). I remember only being attracted to women, I remember it, but now its hard to imagine being like that. After talking with her I found myself "playing allong" for a time... only to find the more I resisted the idea (of fellatio/etc) the stronger the desire became, and the more real. I'm ashamed to say it but there are times its become so overwhelming that I have litterally writhed and moaned just from errant thoughts. Now I can't say if I just wasn't bisexual beforehand or if its something she opened up within me but its still very real. She has passed away now, but I still feel the trap she laid for me and do still struggle with it at times.

The third was a hypnodomme and though I knew the least about her personally, she had the most profound effect on me personally. I don't believe I would be involved in D/s if I hadn't met her (or at least not yet). I asked her to help me understand what it was to be submissive. She had a way of stealth trancing (putting someone into trance without them realizing it) and there was good chemistry between us. She proceeded to try and mould me into a (real) slave, with the goal of finding me an owner eventually. Granted I dismissed it then, and I didn't understand what being a slave meant (which caused big problems) but now I fantasize about it. I don't want to aire bad laundry, but suffice to say I became extremely dependent on her, and was eventually dropped alltogether. Nobody has ever been closer to me, had such a power over me (emotionally) or been trusted so deeply (by myself). It wasn't easy to get over her, and I still miss it Her times.

Now I know I can't prove any of this to you. For all you know I'm just a some wanker with wet dreams All I can do is give my word on it. Take it as you will.

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RE: Femdom Hypnosis - 2/17/2008 4:04:43 PM   
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The third was a hypnodomme and though I knew the least about her personally, she had the most profound effect on me personally. I don't believe I would be involved in D/s if I hadn't met her (or at least not yet). I asked her to help me understand what it was to be submissive. She had a way of stealth trancing (putting someone into trance without them realizing it) and there was good chemistry between us. She proceeded to try and mould me into a (real) slave, with the goal of finding me an owner eventually. Granted I dismissed it then, and I didn't understand what being a slave meant (which caused big problems) but now I fantasize about it. I don't want to aire bad laundry, but suffice to say I became extremely dependent on her, and was eventually dropped alltogether. Nobody has ever been closer to me, had such a power over me (emotionally) or been trusted so deeply (by myself). It wasn't easy to get over her, and I still miss it Her times.


No comment.  I think you've explained it very clearly.  Thanks for the time and effort.


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