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Gwynvyd -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 1:45:44 AM)
chuckles can we just agree that Owner59 is a Lefty, you The Heretic are a Rightie and call it a day.... thread after thread we all Ok.. (well O59 and I) know Bush is evil and stupid... being losely related to the dumb SOB I can say that. You think he is the greatest thing since they put the pocket in the pita.. we all know this. post after post. the man does no wrong for you.. no right for us. This is no great mystery. I guess what we cant get is when the evidance is out there.. in print and he goes.. um.. yup.. well I wasnt 100% right on that.. or creepy laugh ya caught me... you all still believe he is God's gift to the white house. It just boggles the mind. At least when Nixon fucked up.. every one went whoa... you messed up. We no longer trust you. What about Dubbya gives him the leeway to fuck us over 7 ways to Sunday and it still be ok with you guys? The Domestic spy program being a key point, secret prisons around the world... tossing out the Geneva Convention.... the Katrina debacle... WMD's... even being in Iraq. Why arent we focused on Afganistan? and scaring the shit out of all of us on social security by lieing about it. http://www.bushlies.net/ I guess that is where we are perplexed. At least I am.. Gwyn

Lordandmaster -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 2:15:23 AM)
That's actually a very complicated play in hockey. Most people don't know about it, but it's deadly. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 "right winger conspiracy"

Level -> RE: How the deomocrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 3:10:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW Well I don't sit here everyday and read the crap you guys argue about. Thats why people start new stuff. I do have a life outside collarme. Try being nasty to someone else. All I was doing was posting something. All your posts seemed to be aimed at proving how right you are. Flame me. just proves my point. You don't offer anything important you just flame those that don't agree with you. hugsssssss Good for you, my friend. I think there is some truth in that the left "dropped the ball" when it comes to the war, certainly, that's how some of their constituents see it. What do you think about the article?

Level -> RE: How the deomocrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 3:11:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 lol Did I flame you? Why are you so defensive? I'm guessing, but perhaps because you were snarky to her, O.

JerryFrankster -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 6:28:44 AM)
Personally, I think Bush should be executed as a traitor. Maybe that would dicourage other presidents from conning us into an unjustifiable war. ...and no, I don't think he should be exempt from the death penalty just because he's retarded.

mnottertail -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 6:45:13 AM)
Yeah, while the article is shed in a pretty adverserial light, the folks want to get elected and it is gonna be about a dead lock that Iraq is over, the politicos can only afford to have the intelligence, attention span and historical background of their constituents, for whatever reason, it seems that the depth of knowledge or sense of history is of sufficient level when you find a link, or take a rush limbaugh position, or a ringing sound bite from the newsanchor or hillary........well it aint, but I dont see it changing anytime soon. People are downright proud to be ignorant of facts. Dems (as would anyone else) are loading up for the elections, and quite possibly looking at the largest landslide in history, and want the political milage far more than they want to solve. Ron

SugarMyChurro -> RE: How the deomocrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 6:59:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level I'm guessing, but perhaps because you were snarky to her... She deserved snarkiness, at a minimum. In part she would seem to claim not knowing about the other thread. In part she seems to be saying that she reposted it this way because she didn't like the political tone the other thread took. Which is it? Like thread hijacking, it's poor form to repeat certain subject matter within a very short time frame in these forums. Most do it accidentally, but in this case it's hard to tell. And she seems unusually unrepentant about it so it does equal a faux pas. Further, I've actually had Mod 11 ask me not to post links in the forum without commentary. I'm not exactly sure why, but perhaps its an attempt to reduce the noise to signal ratio. ----- JerryFrankster: Traitor is about right to me too. We all know that thousands of our countrymen have died on foreign soil so that these cheesedicks could make some money. Thousands more continue to be at risk because we have yet to pull the plug on these bogus operations. If that's not at least a high crime I am not sure what is. Of course, that particular risk has been spread to nearly every member of congress who co-signed this shit. People don't want to admit in these very forums that they were duped by Bush, Cheney, and the GOP. Our congress critters are hardly going to acknowledge that they were likewise duped in the most public way possible: via an impeachment proceeding. That's why impeachment is off the table. But that is also the very reason that they don't deserve our support.

TheHeretic -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:07:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd You think he is the greatest thing since they put the pocket in the pita.. You are very wrong on this, Gwyn. I just consistently find myself slightly more disgusted by behavior of the American left in response to how the right has handled things.

Owner59 -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:09:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The thread title is a bit over the top. Dear Lord, O59, this from the guy who kills half his own threads with schadenfreude titles. Funny how you accuse me of whining, when you are the one not only so horribly taken by the lie, but lining up for the new, improved '08 kool-aid. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" I`ll take my lumps,you`ll take yours. You defend your thoughts,I`ll do the same. "the guy who kills half his own threads with schadenfreude titles" I have never taken comfort in another`s suffering,ever and I couldn`t care less how popular my threads are. I will however call bullshit where I see it and a bullshiter when I see one. If what I say stings a little,that`s on you.You wouldn`t be defensive if it didn`t apply. "when you are the one not only so horribly taken by the lie," I`m not sure what you mean about "the lie".What is the lie and who`s telling it?Be specific. I know who`s lying and who`s telling the truth.So does America. "There was certainly an effort to distract attention away from the admission that the whole anti-war pose of the '06 election was a lie. These are awkward moments for flavor-ade drinkers" I reread the other thread and didn`t see an effort to distract.Talk about lying.... And your statement implies that there was some sort of admission to an election lie.No such thing exists,accept in your imagination.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:13:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I just consistently find myself slightly more disgusted by behavior of the American left in response to how the right has handled things. 1. There is no left. It's all hopelessly in the center. 2. You are seriously more disgusted by those engaged in political maneuvering than those that have cost us thousands of lives, continued to put many more at risk, relentlessly screwed the taxpayer, and brought the whole country to the brink of economic ruin? That really says a lot about you. None of it good.

MasDom -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:24:59 AM)
Hey I didn't vote for him, the second time around....Laughs....Come to think of it....???

Owner59 -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic I just consistently find myself slightly more disgusted by behavior of the American left in response to how the right has handled things. 1. There is no left. It's all hopelessly in the center. 2. You are seriously more disgusted by those engaged in political maneuvering than those that have cost us thousands of lives, continued to put many more at risk, relentlessly screwed the taxpayer, and brought the whole country to the brink of economic ruination? That really says a lot about you. None of it good. "2. You are seriously more disgusted by those engaged in political maneuvering than those that have cost us thousands of lives, continued to put many more at risk, relentlessly screwed the taxpayer, and brought the whole country to the brink of economic ruination?" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That`s my point.If we were talking football,with teams that cheat (see NEP video taping of plays) or players that juice(see HGH use) it wouldn`t matter much,........no one died and it`s only a game. This war in Iraq is no game.America want`s out and those that treat this like a football game aren`t going to get much respect.Those that game this war in order to prolong it shouldn`t expect much either. We`re not talking stats or line items and flow charts here.These are real men and women who are being put in harm`s way.And real lost lives that won`t be forgotten very soon. Comments like the OPs title, reminds me of that preacher who shows up at military funerals,to say horrible things. The comments are only meant to hurt and take an ugly advantage of a desperate situation.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:47:20 AM)
We have two wars of choice that were begun by Bush, Cheney, and the GOP. If the wars could be won, which they cannot be, it was their turn at bat to make it happen or not. The thread title suggests that somehow it's the Dems responsibility to fix what the GOP fucks up, and I can't see how that could ever be true. The thread title is the ultimate in absurdity. [8\|]

Owner59 -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:57:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro We have two wars of choice that were begun by Bush, Cheney, and the GOP. If the wars could be won, which they cannot be, it was their turn at bat to make it happen or not. The thread title suggests that somehow it's the Dems responsibility to fix what the GOP fucks up, and I can't see how that could ever be true. The thread title is the ultimate in absurdity. [8\|] The title also reeks of the "do you still beat your wife up" type tactic,suggesting that your wife beating is a given and a fact. And I get flamed for the 4 words,"been there,done that".lol Not complaining,just acknowledging the absurdity myself.

mnottertail -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 7:58:53 AM)
the point being that the Dems are gonna have to clean up the mess, the other side of the aisle is in there for 100 years, somebody didn't get the memo. Ron

TheHeretic -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 8:06:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro 2. You are seriously more disgusted by those engaged in political maneuvering than those that have cost us thousands of lives, continued to put many more at risk, relentlessly screwed the taxpayer, and brought the whole country to the brink of economic ruin? Nope. It's the reliable and consistent placement of hatred as the highest value in the party that claims values matter. I happen to be of the opinion that those zero class "political maneuverings" played just as much of a role in bringing us to where we are. Did you happen to catch the recent reports from his interrogator that Saddam Hussein never believed we would actually invade? I might have to dig up an old WyrdRich thread that speculated on that very thing. Funny thing. Assuming economic realities haven't forced me to into a position where I'm not able to amuse myself in conversation here, a year from now I'll probably be accused of being a Hillary loving commie because I insist on speaking respectfully of her in the office.

mnottertail -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 8:08:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Funny thing. Assuming economic realities haven't forced me to into a position where I'm not able to amuse myself in conversation here, a year from now I'll probably be accused of being a Hillary loving commie because I insist on speaking respectfully of her in the office. No particular reason to believe that speculation, you haven't done it for others. Ron

LadyEllen -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 8:27:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster Personally, I think Bush should be executed as a traitor. Maybe that would dicourage other presidents from conning us into an unjustifiable war. ...and no, I don't think he should be exempt from the death penalty just because he's retarded. I thought the penalty for undermining the American way of life, threatening its people and welfare and attacking democratic values through underhanded, covert means which result in the deaths of thousands in order to force people to adopt a certain way of thinking, was to be dubbed an enemy combatant? And we all know where they go. How ironic would that be? E

TheHeretic -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 8:40:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail No particular reason to believe that speculation, you haven't done it for others. Ron As I frequently point out in the global warming threads, your data set for that model is one. The rules I feel bound by change when we are talking about former presidents. Don't expect me to join the 'monkeyboy' hate parade, but I'll have plenty to say.

Level -> RE: How the Democrats surrendered the war. Agree or disagree? (2/18/2008 3:29:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro We have two wars of choice that were begun by Bush, Cheney, and the GOP. If the wars could be won, which they cannot be, it was their turn at bat to make it happen or not. The thread title suggests that somehow it's the Dems responsibility to fix what the GOP fucks up, and I can't see how that could ever be true. The thread title is the ultimate in absurdity. [8\|] The title also reeks of the "do you still beat your wife up" type tactic,suggesting that your wife beating is a given and a fact. And I get flamed for the 4 words,"been there,done that".lol Not complaining,just acknowledging the absurdity myself. The title does no such thing. It accurately reflects what Taibbi said in his article, and asked if we agreed or not, it was supremely non-partisan.

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