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RE: What counts as experience - 2/18/2008 6:25:07 PM   
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Every toy or physical experience requires practice and takes skill, even if it's minor - from using a pair of double locking handcuffs safely to using a bullwhip. 

But what about the intangible experience, what comes of *relationship stuff*, the foundation that too many people forget? As a femdom, things that come to mind are:

* The first time you accidently *hurt* your partner and how you dealt with it afterward
* The first time you experienced tremendous guilt and did not know why
* The first time your submissive/bottom kind of melted down afterward, and he did not know why
* The first time timing never clicked, you never connected, and things just didn't go right from the start
* The first time you read his mind, and read it all wrong
* The first time he shared a fantasy and you took it as a wish list
* The first time something looked good on tv or in a book and didn't go so well in person
* The first time you realized "fantasy" sometimes remains better as fantasy

I could go on and on.  I went through the training wheels of most of the above before I lost my virginity and before I was legal to drink.  Most of that list I did before I was 16 years old - and over and over again, with boyfriends and those I cared dearly for.  This was before it was labeled "S&M" - it was just something I did.

So yeah, when I was 22 or 23, I felt pretty experienced. I had not learned to USE a lot of gear, which is always a work in progress, but I had been through a lot of trials when it comes to relationships, communication, trust, and empathy - all skills that are vital to good power exchange.

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/18/2008 6:32:10 PM   
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What do we count as '' experience" ?? Is it first hand ? reading ? speaking to others ?Online ?attending bdsm munchies ?Attending  bdsm events?, like well ya all know that whole long list of world event s  if not go to the bdsm events pages  .Is it purely hands on ?Is it all that and more ?Clarification on the broad stroke of the term acceptable  as "experience's" . Heck i started to realize when watching cartoons  at a young age and  always wanting to either be cought in the  cowboys and Indian  cops and robber games , or even do the catching and  capturing ,do i start my time line there ?Do i start it  from the first bdsm picture and books i read ? Or do i have to wait til I was first bound , or even  sooner when i was doing self bondage ?At any rate its been  well over a decade  lol more like 3 decades .
I still do not understand some in their teens or early 20's  boasting and you do the math and they started at age 3 .Yet i revert to are we accepting  cartoons  and picture  viewing etc .

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/18/2008 6:32:58 PM   
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Experience is whatever you persuade others to accept.

Myself, I just tell people I have a black belt in asshole...that basically ends the discussion right there.



OK, I like that one. Plus, he quotes Louis L'Amour. I don't count online. Real life is hard enough to judge.

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/18/2008 10:39:13 PM   
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Experience is whatever you persuade others to accept.

Myself, I just tell people I have a black belt in asshole...that basically ends the discussion right there.


LMFAO
I might just have to steal that one...

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/18/2008 10:43:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha


Every toy or physical experience requires practice and takes skill, even if it's minor - from using a pair of double locking handcuffs safely to using a bullwhip. 

But what about the intangible experience, what comes of *relationship stuff*, the foundation that too many people forget? As a femdom, things that come to mind are:

* The first time you accidently *hurt* your partner and how you dealt with it afterward
* The first time you experienced tremendous guilt and did not know why
* The first time your submissive/bottom kind of melted down afterward, and he did not know why
* The first time timing never clicked, you never connected, and things just didn't go right from the start
* The first time you read his mind, and read it all wrong
* The first time he shared a fantasy and you took it as a wish list
* The first time something looked good on tv or in a book and didn't go so well in person
* The first time you realized "fantasy" sometimes remains better as fantasy

I could go on and on.  I went through the training wheels of most of the above before I lost my virginity and before I was legal to drink.  Most of that list I did before I was 16 years old - and over and over again, with boyfriends and those I cared dearly for.  This was before it was labeled "S&M" - it was just something I did.

So yeah, when I was 22 or 23, I felt pretty experienced. I had not learned to USE a lot of gear, which is always a work in progress, but I had been through a lot of trials when it comes to relationships, communication, trust, and empathy - all skills that are vital to good power exchange.

Akasha


All of these and many more, personals, are where the value of experience is learned.

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 3:30:13 AM   
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You can be going to munches and fairs for years and not activly be involved in D/s just like you can activly be involved in D/s and not go to events. Personally anyone who feels the need to tell me the number of years they have in experiance kinda go down in my estimation. It ads to the whole employment aspect of sites like these I hate expert in gages, ten years expraince seeking .... I think you can get a feel for someone better without all the specifics and the numbers just by talking to them. People will always mention past relationships etc and you can tell just by  the way someone speaks. I have been aware that I am a sub consciously for just over a year now, and i consider myself a newbie which i will say to people. But experiance is relative, with learning some people need to practice something over and over to understand it and some get it on the second try. 

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 3:54:17 AM   
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Experience is a thing..that others can't judge about. In my opinion it is all that made you change your behaviour....good or bad...experience is personal..but soemtimes can be usefull for others.

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 5:21:59 AM   
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You can be going to munches and fairs for years and not activly be involved in D/s just like you can activly be involved in D/s and not go to events. Personally anyone who feels the need to tell me the number of years they have in experiance kinda go down in my estimation. It ads to the whole employment aspect of sites like these I hate expert in gages, ten years expraince seeking .... I think you can get a feel for someone better without all the specifics and the numbers just by talking to them. People will always mention past relationships etc and you can tell just by  the way someone speaks. I have been aware that I am a sub consciously for just over a year now, and i consider myself a newbie which i will say to people. But experiance is relative, with learning some people need to practice something over and over to understand it and some get it on the second try. 


That reminds me of my IRC days talking to ppl.  At times the exp level would come up in a conversation.  I have fill in blank exp.
I be like are you talking OL or RL.  I'm thinking like half would say online.  They would get pissed and me for explaining to them "you don't have a clue"  Im a snob that way.

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 6:58:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Experience is whatever you persuade others to accept.

Myself, I just tell people I have a black belt in asshole...that basically ends the discussion right there.



oh i have got to remember this one!  a black belt in asshole, i love it!

PM

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 7:10:30 AM   
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funny this is the only forum I know where assholes are adored

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 8:20:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PanthersMom

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

Experience is whatever you persuade others to accept.

Myself, I just tell people I have a black belt in asshole...that basically ends the discussion right there.



oh i have got to remember this one!  a black belt in asshole, i love it!

PM


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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 8:23:25 AM   
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Experience can not be measured in years, but in what one has actually experienced and done.  I measure experince by what another person shares with me about their experiences, what they learned or grown from it.  Both life and BDSM experinece together combined.   Basically good old fashioned communication and conversation is the best way to gauge experience, not some number prefixed before the word "year(s)".






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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 8:28:51 AM   
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You have experience, and you have wisdom. You can define experience as tripping over a loose paving stone and gashing your head, thinking "I'll watch out for that stone in future" and wisdom as the person seeing someone fall over that same stone and saying "I'll watch out for that stone in future". How we learn is less important than what we learn.

Personally I don't, and will never count "Years I've been sexually active" as experience in BDSM. So the age at which one's virginity is lost really doesn't have much bearing on how able that individual is to bring value to a D/s relationship.

However don't be too quick to dismiss claims of experience that go back to early years. For example, 29 years ago (I'm 38 this march) - my "girlfriend" and I were playing games with ropes and some other activities I won't go into because of the TOS. Guess who was always the one who was the Tie-er, not the Tie-ee. 3 years later, myself and my two older cousins would take turns helping me torture them with tickles and pinches while they were tied to a chair. (No, this was not in Arkansas *grin*)

I do not, however, state I have 29 years of experience because of the above activities, I got an early taste of something that excited me, and it helped me find out a great deal about who I am, but in the five years that followed, I didn't have a chance to experience it again - so how much use was it when I found my first submissive partner? (Thats not to say I didn't THINK about it a lot). So... (and again, personally).. I count my "experience" from the time I was in a first real life D/s relationship - that's really the only experience that I believe should count, because then you deal with the dynamics, the complications and the emotions that come up. Someone who's practiced swinging a belt at a pillow daily from their early years may call that experience, and it is - but you can't use it as a gauge to say anything other than "He's a good pillow beater".

Experience can be a good thing, but Risk-aware enthusiasm and patience can do wonders too, regardless of whether you're a 20 year old or a 50 year old. I do understand that there are many submissives out there who shy away from novices, either because they don't want to be put in a position where they're topping from the bottom, or because they don't have the patience to let a novice Top/Dom find his/her feet. It's totally their choice, and needs to be respected as such. But there are also many out there who are happy to find an honest, caring and respectful, Dominant partner - and they are often happy to let them find their way with some gentle guidance.

If you're not worried about a potential partner's seeming lack of experience... then don't feel you should be worried based on what other people are looking for. It's your life, and it's your ass on the line... so just proceed with caution, good sense and patience - whether your partner is fresh out of the box, or whether they claim to be a 30 year veteran who's past lives include Charlemagne, Alexander, and Genghis Khan.

If you feel that you want or deserve to have an experienced partner, then again - great! Just don't let someone's apparent experience blind you to any warning signs or instincts. I will say that you may potentially be excluding a mate who would be perfect for you, but it is your, repeat YOUR choice.

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 9:57:15 AM   
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I tend not to look upon my experience gazing upon a stone tablet , rather i keep on a path of further learning  and growth .Actions and deeds can speak louder than any profile .most times when  asked if asked at all about the topic , i smile and say stuff like I have been around  way before the  whole Online community ,writing letters with paper and pen ,driving hundreds of miles just to meet a dozen or so people .sometimes i feel my first leather was part wollie Mammoth .chuckles .

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 12:30:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: azropedntied

I tend not to look upon my experience gazing upon a stone tablet , rather i keep on a path of further learning  and growth .Actions and deeds can speak louder than any profile .most times when  asked if asked at all about the topic , i smile and say stuff like I have been around  way before the  whole Online community ,writing letters with paper and pen ,driving hundreds of miles just to meet a dozen or so people .sometimes i feel my first leather was part wollie Mammoth .chuckles .


"Driving?" pure bliss, in my day we had to take the horse and buggy, and we were thankful! (O.P.R.)

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 12:54:24 PM   
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Experience is whatever you want it to be.
If you are going to get wrapped up in the term of experience, rather than looking at the person in front of you, you're fucked anyway.
 
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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 1:08:21 PM   
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No time frame is going to specifically determine how skilled or inept anyone is going to be at any given activity. 

I don't count anything as experience, unless it's the amount of hands on time.  When talking about Myself, I don't include the entire span of when I started up until today, because I had a very specific 'break' in BDSM.  During that time, I wasn't learning new things about the lifestyle, actively playing, attendind munches or demos, so to Me, it means zilch.  Online chatting, etc. doesn't have all of the aspects I need to constitute "experience", because there's no physical factor.  (Remember, My POV here.)  I wouldn't claim reading as experience.  It might be learning, but again, there's no hands on.  For Me experience is about doing.


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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 3:41:39 PM   
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Attaching a number to experience can be more than a bit deceptive. If the "timer" started the first time I had thwacked someone with a flogger, I would have nine years of experience now.  If I strutted simply that number, I might give the perception of knowing a lot more than I really do. That number, nine years, simply doesn't take into account the long period of time between then and now where I simply just wasn't particularly active in any sort of kink, however. 

I don't have nine years of practice, simply nine years of exposure. I think time has a lot less to do with proficiency than the quality of experiences. I had learned a lot more in a few months of study and play than I had in the several years that had elapsed between my introduction to kink, and my more active pursuit of wiitwd. Sure, I tinkered, but the depth of my experience was quite shallow until (relatively) more recently.

So what counts as experience? Things that you experience, and having drawn from that experience, regardless of when it was.


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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 3:46:42 PM   
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Lady Pact when i wrote that first one it was to get thoughts going  and get wheels turning as what is and how do we define .In the end its all subjective  and there is not one stamp of approval answer . And thats OK too , as long as your having some fun , enjoy what your  doing and  being safe while  doing it . Yet i also think  bdsm is learning , perfecting , growth , safety , to name a  few and what ever it takes to get more hands on under your belt experience kewl ! 

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RE: What counts as experience - 2/19/2008 9:43:08 PM   
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I owned a Jimi Hendrix experience album at 12
Does that count?
I would even sing at the top of my lungs
Are you experienced, I am

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