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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/12/2008 11:55:02 AM   
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I'd like to thank everyone for sharing their thoughts and experiences on this topic.  I've learned so much just reading this thread and it's helped me define and understand my own feelings much better!

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/12/2008 5:01:33 PM   
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I had the same trouble. In backwoods Vermont, 'Sir' is reserved for military families and angry policemen, and since I have never had sex with either of these, calling Him Sir was strange at first. I kept feeling strangely military, not really my kind of feeling. Eventually, I tried to think of it like I was the maid instead. It's been fine with me ever since.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/12/2008 5:07:54 PM   
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How backwoods? I am also from VT, and I actually have trouble NOT calling him "Sir"- not because I like it- I like just calling him by his scene name- but I feel that it's expected.

Lilith

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/12/2008 6:02:37 PM   
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Well since I've got 2 toddlers running around saying daddy comes very natural to me in regards to my daddy. But I don't think I could call someone sir it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Unless at work and talking to a customer.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/12/2008 6:29:00 PM   
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when i first starting seeing my Master i didn't call him anything.   i only used his name when referring to him, never when speaking directly to him.  After a few weeks he acknowledged the fact and for a while had me call him Sir until i became comfortable with it.  Then just one day he decided that i should call him Master to which he calls me slave.  So now that is who we are in every sense.....He is Master and i am slave.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 8:52:06 AM   
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quote:

From a sub whom I am meeting causually, or the first time, I neither expect nor demand to be called 'Sir.' If offered, however, I do take it as a sign of respect and treat it as such.


Manawyddan,

Well put position.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 8:55:41 AM   
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quote:

totally agree! Sir or Ma'am for that matter to me being born and raised in Texas then spending the past ten years in Alabama...it is how i was raised. For me i do not call A/anyone Master, Mistress, Lord etc... as that term to me will be specific and seclusive for One person in my life one day. But actually i have found many Doms and Domme friends of mine constantly remind me i do not have to say Sir or Ma'am all of the time. It is simply not a M/s, D/s, or even BDSM to me but general respect for those with who i communicate. But it is personal to E/everyone.


goodgirl,

nicely put position. The end result is that a sub can never go wrong using the yerm, I do not refer to it as an honorific, simply a noun of respect within the lifestyle.

CP

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 9:12:38 AM   
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quote:

Some of us aren't interested in subbing to the entire community. We value ourselves and don't submit casually. Additionally of the doms I've talked to, the ones who insist on unearned submission from every sub around are always the ones I'm least compatible with. Always.

A dom who isn't so hung up on his own ego that he has a fit if everybody around doesn't bow down to him isn't someone I want to chat with. The ones who sign their email with their first names are always more sensible, more likable, more mature. They understand that this is a relationship between two (or more) people and that the relationship must be entered into willingly by both.

Personally, I wouldn't call any random dom Sir, simply because their reaction is a good way to weed out the ones I don't want to talk to.


Des,

well there are different strokes etc. I do not addrss the dmand for sir outside of a relationship.
The sad fact is that the path has becaome thousands of microcasims or relationships and the normal for the path walkers is now whatever they choose. thats ok as I or others like me cannot influeance those that follow their own way.

That being said, i always pay more attention to those that prefer to use the term to those that think it a personal affront to thier individuality.

CP

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 9:16:06 AM   
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quote:

Some of us aren't interested in subbing to the entire community


Des,

I neglected to address this isuue. Use of sir when speaking with a dominant does not set up a automatic relationship.

CP

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 9:22:09 AM   
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quote:

I don't come here or go to my community events for vanilla relationships or friendships. I go for the D/s atmosphere and that usually implies some protocol.


MWilliam,

Claps!

Perhaps it is an age thing where the older we get the prouder we get for the lifestyle.

CP

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 10:24:33 AM   
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Quite possibly CelticPrince.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 11:49:35 AM   
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We dont say Sir or Ma'm in England we just dont unless its refering to a Teacher or someone is trying to sell you something, it doesnt slip off the tounge and its often not used in respect. When im at events I dont refer to everyone as Sir/Ma'm becuase a LOT of Dominant here actually dont like it, many think that subs have to earn the right to use the term, I just call everyone by their name Sir is something that makes me feel stupid if i just say it to anyone, because its not in my day to day vocab. this doesnt seem to change regardless of age here, generally people in the uk dont seem to do it. 

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 1:00:33 PM   
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colouredin, Not every community here uses formal protocol for greetings either. Many in my community just happen to. I was trained that way and it stuck. I don't have a problem with people Not using it, but I sure do appreciate it when they do. For me at least and some of my friends, it does add to the atmosphere.


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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 1:05:06 PM   
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quote:

We dont say Sir or Ma'm in England we just dont unless its refering to a Teacher or someone is trying to sell you something, it doesnt slip off the tounge and its often not used in respect. When im at events I dont refer to everyone as Sir/Ma'm becuase a LOT of Dominant here actually dont like it, many think that subs have to earn the right to use the term, I just call everyone by their name Sir is something that makes me feel stupid if i just say it to anyone, because its not in my day to day vocab. this doesnt seem to change regardless of age here, generally people in the uk dont seem to do it.


coloure,

An interesting point! I travel to the UK often and have met a few subs there and they use it / course it might be because I am from the colonies and require special consideration.

CP

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 1:08:39 PM   
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a Dom i know well and who has earned my respect... i will respectfully call him Sir

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 1:26:49 PM   
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well Cp i dunno if that was sarcasm but ive never met any that do ever i dont know all of them of course but I have been to a fair few events and fairs and have a lot of subbie mates and Ive never seen it, thats just my experiance. 

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 1:44:30 PM   
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~fast reply~

Being the proper little secretary i am, i tend to use Sir and Ma'am in real life both in my job, day to day interactions and at D/s functions.  Online i tend to not use Sir and Ma'am as often for a variety of reasons.

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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/13/2008 3:19:07 PM   
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As I continue to follow this thread, a thought has occurred to me and I wonder if y'all wouldn't mind offering your input?

Like many that have posted, I was raised to refer to others as Sir or Ma'am as both a sign of respect and courtesy.  It is so deeply ingrained in me that I do not even think about it, it's as automatic as "please" and "thank you".

My question then is this.  Were I to attend a function with both Dominant and submissive attendees, I would be likely to respond to anyone that approached me as Sir or Ma'am.  Not as a display of submission to one more dominant than I, though that's not a problem, but because I'm just polite like that.  Especially with those I'm not familiar with.

Would I be  looked upon with horror and shunned if I used the term Sir when speaking with a submissive man?  Great!  Something else for me to worry about!


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RE: Troubles with calling a Dom "Sir"? - 3/17/2008 4:50:11 PM   
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hi sweet,

fox has no problems with saying it in English or German, just saying it in French, i completely loose it: "oui, Maitre!"
the scene is lost in fits of the giggles

votre esclave

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