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The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 12:11:16 PM   
JerryFrankster


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Status: offline 		Ok. So we have:

1.) Topping from the top
2.) Topping from the bottom
3.) Bottoming from the top
4.) Bottoming from the bottom

Are you only a "true" dominant if you only do #1?

What if you only do #2? What does that make you?


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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 12:16:34 PM   
KatyLied


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What if you only do #2? What does that make you?

Either a top at heart or someone in need of discipline.


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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 12:17:27 PM   
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minkowski.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 12:17:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster

Ok. So we have:

1.) Topping from the top
2.) Topping from the bottom
3.) Bottoming from the top
4.) Bottoming from the bottom

Are you only a "true" dominant if you only do #1?

What if you only do #2? What does that make you?



is "you are what you do" too flippant an answer?

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 12:20:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

positive cartesian coordinates?

minkowski.


dva, dva, tri, edinitsa.  pyusk!!!

it might not hit your target, but it is a big enough explosion to wipe out the area.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 12:27:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		It depends on if everyone is open and happy about it.  Topping from the bottom can be a great way to teach a top a new skill.

The problem comes when there's lack of agreement and manipulation.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 1:11:00 PM   
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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 1:21:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

positive cartesian coordinates?

minkowski.


dva, dva, tri, edinitsa.  pyusk!!!

it might not hit your target, but it is a big enough explosion to wipe out the area.


I am afraid my rus extends only to kerpesh and goosyanetzya (both phonetic and meaning brick and catapillar, respectively)

Ron 

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 1:34:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: atursvcMaam

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

positive cartesian coordinates?

minkowski.


dva, dva, tri, edinitsa.  pyusk!!!

it might not hit your target, but it is a big enough explosion to wipe out the area.


I am afraid my rus extends only to kerpesh and goosyanetzya (both phonetic and meaning brick and catapillar, respectively)

Ron 


Sorry, in english, that is 22311.....fire(or launch depending on one's artillery)  i can also say, "don't shoot me i know military secrets."

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 1:40:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster

Ok. So we have:

1.) Topping from the top
2.) Topping from the bottom
3.) Bottoming from the top
4.) Bottoming from the bottom

Are you only a "true" dominant if you only do #1?

What if you only do #2? What does that make you?



Dominant isn't actually on your list...

Do you realize that?

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 1:42:20 PM   
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"you are what you do"



Baaahahahahhahahahah!!!!  If that's the case, I can't even begin to imagine the terminology that would be suitable for description!!!  *stillLMAO*  
I can't help it, I just got some visuals on that one.
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff!!!


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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 1:44:51 PM   
atursvcMaam


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Status: offline 		thank You, Ma'am.  i thought that was going to go unnoticed.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 2:28:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Around here, bottom and top applies to the M & S parts of the equation. As noted, you don't even address the question of D & S in your original post. B & D don't even enter into it.

Relevant true story: a specialist hereabouts gave a senuous caning demonstration at Paradise Unbound last year (formerly Wet Spot in Paradise).
A dominant physical masochist volunteered to be his demo bottom for the occasion. Late in the session, she reared up on all fours and said, in a voice of absolute iron,
"Harder! and don't stop!" And she wore a truly spectacular array of striped bruises and welts on her ass and thighs with considerable glee for the rest of the event.

Bottom doesn't mean submissive. Top doesn't mean dominant (the gent giving the demo is a sub). And switch is a label all too often used to exclude.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 2:52:42 PM   
ShaktiSama


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ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster

Ok. So we have:

1.) Topping from the top
2.) Topping from the bottom
3.) Bottoming from the top
4.) Bottoming from the bottom

Are you only a "true" dominant if you only do #1?

What if you only do #2? What does that make you?



Tiresome.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 3:08:26 PM   
DommeTrinity


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Status: offline 		Around here, bottom and top applies to the M & S parts of the equation. As noted, you don't even address the question of D & S in your original post. B & D don't even enter into it.

Relevant true story: a specialist hereabouts gave a senuous caning demonstration at Paradise Unbound last year (formerly Wet Spot in Paradise).
A dominant physical masochist volunteered to be his demo bottom for the occasion. Late in the session, she reared up on all fours and said, in a voice of absolute iron,
"Harder! and don't stop!" And she wore a truly spectacular array of striped bruises and welts on her ass and thighs with considerable glee for the rest of the event.

Bottom doesn't mean submissive. Top doesn't mean dominant (the gent giving the demo is a sub). And switch is a label all too often used to exclude.


This is so true. I myself am a Dominant masochist. Its a hard concept to deal with if you don't have first hand experience with the idea.

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 3:13:47 PM   
JerryFrankster


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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


Dominant isn't actually on your list...

Do you realize that?


No, actually. Does this mean I need a third dimenson?

Crap! I hope I don't run out of dimensions. I can only think in three without software.


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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 3:36:10 PM   
TermsConditions


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Status: offline 		I don't quite remember this from the Stephen Covey book...seems like you only get around to doing 1 & 4? Also, you should employ and egg timer...

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 4:26:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DelilahDeb

Around here, bottom and top applies to the M & S parts of the equation. As noted, you don't even address the question of D & S in your original post. B & D don't even enter into it.

Relevant true story: a specialist hereabouts gave a senuous caning demonstration at Paradise Unbound last year (formerly Wet Spot in Paradise).
A dominant physical masochist volunteered to be his demo bottom for the occasion. Late in the session, she reared up on all fours and said, in a voice of absolute iron,
"Harder! and don't stop!" And she wore a truly spectacular array of striped bruises and welts on her ass and thighs with considerable glee for the rest of the event.

Bottom doesn't mean submissive. Top doesn't mean dominant (the gent giving the demo is a sub). And switch is a label all too often used to exclude.


Excellent point!  The problem I seem to have is the submission (not all by any means) having a problem doing those activities seen as "topping". 

Mistress:  Spank my ass!

Submissive:  No Mistress, that means I am dominate to you!  I just can't do that, it will disrupt my submissive status.

Mistress:  Oh damn!  Not another one!  Go to your corner!

I say do what you do, the way and how you want it.  Folks need to untangle the webs they wrap around themselves trying to fit in a box.

Again!  Great point!

Faye




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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 4:36:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JerryFrankster
No, actually. Does this mean I need a third dimenson?
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Midori presents a similar concept in her discussion of D/s archetypes. She places dominance and submission along one axis and sadism and masochism along the other axis. So the different archetypes are: dominant sadist, dominant masochist, submissive sadist, submissive masochist. For the purpose of that discussion, top and bottom are represented by sadist and masochist. There may have been another category for being along one axis only (a dominant who is not a sadist, a submissive who is not a masochist, etc)--I am unsure. I attended it about 6 years ago and missed some of it. For a better understanding of this concept, I recommend her presentation.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: The four quadrants of D/s - 2/21/2008 5:33:06 PM   
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