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jeaS2Atonka -> What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 6:25:47 PM)
ok, I seem to have a problem with communication with my master, girl has asked several questions which has gotten girl into trouble so girl puts it to other Masters, what is it exactly you want from a slave, what is it you expect girl to give up to become a slave totally and submit to a Master. do you take into account children in the relationship eg: slave has children do Master treat slaves within a household differently and why? girl understands she has no rights and is to do everything girl is told to do, but when it comes down to long distance relationships mostly conducted online what does a Master want from girl? any thoughts welcome thanks jea

BlackPhx -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 6:49:51 PM)
Tough question and the simple answer is what ever the Master defines as submission and you accept and adhere to. For me submission to my will is a expression of adoration, RESPECT, and trust. A total belief in me and deferance to my skills, maturity, and care. I am a sexual sadist, so I do inflict pain for my own pleasure and submission to these acts is also an acceptance of who I am, and love for that part of me as well. When I demand submission to my will it is a test of conviction and seriousness of the relationship a flame that tempers it and makes it stronger a chance to prove my worth and value as a person in thier eyes. Submission is a promised whisper that echos in my soul. Submission is a spark that ignigts the inferno of my desires. Submission is wind that lifts my esteem to glorius heights. Submission is a pact for protection and defense from the hostile forces of the world. Submission is a world I revel in. But, what submission is for me is not quite what it is for everyone else. Would I take consideration for family and children, Yes I have in the past. Would I treat a slave differently in my household, maybe depends on the slave and the situation. In reality Submission is defined by the Master but a slave makes submission a thing of beauty and that beauty belongs to her alone. Something not even Master can take away, and something even he is powerless against. Waxing poetic while dreadfully tired BlackPhx

GreedyTop -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 6:57:19 PM)
wow... that was beautiful :)

feelthesensation -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 7:02:08 PM)
BlackPhx put it very well. You say asking questions has gotten you in trouble. I see questions as a way my pet can learn more about me, my wants, and needs. Of course if she asks questions on purpose that she knows will get a rise out of me, she will get disciplined for that. While my pet isn't a slave, my expectations of what a slave would give up to totally and submit to a Master is just that - everything. If it is total, it is total. However, I would NOT expect that until sufficient trust and respect was built up. The slave must know implicitly that the Master will not do anything that hurts her. I mean that in the sense of not only limits, but also in the areas of love and caring. I believe the only way a slave can do that is after the Master has demonstrated that repeatedly. Children can put a different slant on it especially if you are doing this 24/7. There are things you'd have to be careful of, depending on the age of the children. But there are ways to handle that. Specific phrases or signals to indicate various things. Long distance is again different. I believe it is harder to maintain the Master/slave relationship long distance because I believe there are times when the physical aspects are necessary. But that's me and how I do things. Again, every Master is different.

lilmissattitude -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 7:16:07 PM)
to start out...am not a Master and i do apologize that i am answering on this thread, but the topic caught my eye and i thought you might want another submissive's opinion as well. it could be that you are asking the wrong questions or at the wrong time. did you say "WHAT is it exactly you want from me" while you were having an arguement or did you say "Master, this girl wants desparately to please you. this girl could use some insight on what it is you expect from this girl so that she can continue to please you. since this girl has children, will you take this into consideration when deciding what expectations you have of this girl?" if you ask the questions during or at the end of a disagreement, could be that your Master isnt prepared to answer those questions at that time. but if you put it into the context of wanting to please Him, He can then decide to answer your questions, knowing that they are out of a desire to truly please Him and not out of frustration. Keep in mind, not all Master's/Dom's have a set list of what they expect (but would totally be ideal if they did), and need some time to think about it and to list what it is they are seeking from their slave.

Nineveh -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 7:18:37 PM)
If you're a Gorean, they have very strict ideas of what to expect from a slave, and often don't take children into consideration. if you are using the third person for another reason then it really does depend on your master, every master's expectations are different. I do think lilmissattitude gave some very good ideas.

MistressDolly -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 7:31:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jeaS2Atonka What does submit mean to a Master jea To serve selflessly. Unconditionally.

MistressNoName -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 7:34:31 PM)
jea, You are posing a question that is almost impossible to answer because in reality, there is never any one answer that's right for all. And obviously, there is a lot more to your story than what you have written here. The whole thing about asking questions, for example. It's difficult to say. Because on the one hand, asking questions is a good thing and generally, I encourage it. It can lead to greater clarification and learning. And that's always a good thing. But sometimes, the issue is not the asking of the question itself, but the way that the question is asked. Also, sometimes you are dealing with a Master with unrealistic expectations. Ie- Masters who expect immediate and unflinching trust and obedience after knowing one another for a relatively short period of time. Sometimes, you're dealing with a Master who is not interested in the realities of M/s but rather is only interested in fantasy-fulfillment. There are just so many possibilities. But, generally speaking, I believe that M/s dynamics should be entered into judiciously, with much thought, negotiation and care. And to me that translates into a fair amount of time spent talking about the more mundane realities of life BEFORE a collar goes around anyone's neck, ie- how the bills are seriously going to be paid, what one's s/m limitations really are, how I am to be addressed in the real world, what to do about children and other family members...etc, so on and so forth... But to address the issue of children on a very serious level. You as parent are ultimately responsible for their health and well-being. And so, you have to...and I really mean HAVE TO use your BEST judgment when it comes to issues of how to raise them, how to discipline them. While it's always good to listen to the counsel of others, it's NEVER a good idea to just take bad advice, with the thought of, well, Master says I should do this. I think that's nothing short of ca-ca and your children will be the ones to suffer in the end. And if you think for a second that you need help in figuring out the difference between good and bad advice, then I would suggest you're not ready to be anyone's slave and you won't be until you are able to trust that your own judgments are sound. Until you can say that, you'd be putting yourself and possibly your children at risk. But in all things, I wish you the best, MNN

AquaticSub -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 8:05:08 PM)
~Fast Reply~ It varies for every master/mistresses. Perhaps a better question for you to consider is what did you expect from him before becoming his? What did he tell you would happen? Personally, I expect my owner to take children into consideration - so I made sure that Valyraen would before becoming his. Saying no rights is all well and good, it sounds very pretty and all that but I can not give up the right to care for any children under my care. It does not matter if they would ever give a bad order or not, it's simply something I won't do.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 8:47:58 PM)
For me it's simply operating under another's authority. But that doesn't matter- your questions and confusions can ONLY be settled between you and your master. You will either find a way to work together fulfillingly, or you will flounder and fail separately.

Bound2One -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 9:08:20 PM)
These questions can only be answered sufficiently for you within your own relationship, by your own Master. No two households/relationships will function in the same way. I'm not sure why you are getting in trouble when asking how you can serve him best? I would think this is a topic he would be willing to explain in detail to someone he accepts as his slave.

kinkypuppy2 -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 9:24:37 PM)
Even a M/s relationship is a two way street. The Master has to earn the respect and the slave has to be comfortable in giving all that they are asked for.

Foititis -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 10:07:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jeaS2Atonka girl understands she has no rights and is to do everything girl is told to do, but when it comes down to long distance relationships mostly conducted online what does a Master want from girl? I'm just going to point out that the statement above (bolded for your convenience) is incredibly incorrect. You have all the rights afforded to you by the government of this broad brown land of ours; you simply choose to wave those rights in order to fulfil your sexual fetish or emotional need. This leads to my next point. Submission is knowing you’re the one with the real power but choosing to give it up anyway.

antipode -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/21/2008 10:32:30 PM)
That's what happens with online "relationships" - a relationship without body language, voice inflections, facial expressions, smell, touch, is purely based on language, and no two people use the same language. I am not qualified to answer your question, I'd never even call that a relationship, let alone try it.

jeaS2Atonka -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/22/2008 1:40:59 AM)
thank you all once again for all replys reading them has given me some insight as to what master and girl need to talk about from here on out jea

Focus50 -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/22/2008 2:02:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jeaS2Atonka what is it exactly you want from a slave, what is it you expect girl to give up to become a slave totally and submit to a Master. The only things I'd generally expect a compatible submissive to give up are those things things she presumably doesn't desire anyway, such as relationship control, most choices and decisions etc. quote: do you take into account children in the relationship eg: slave has children Of course you must! ANY woman who could leave her children to be my slave would not only creep me out, but would have me sleeping with one eye open...! I DON'T THINK SOOOOO! quote: girl understands she has no rights and is to do everything girl is told to do, but when it comes down to long distance relationships mostly conducted online what does a Master want from girl? Here's the heart of your problem; how can you (or anyone) understand the machinations of an M/s dynamic through an online relationship? So I wholeheartedly concur with antipode's post....! Have you at least met 'master' r/l? Online is mostly fantasy - NO-ONE has bad breath, has a scene go wrong or tracks lawn clippings through a freshly vacuumed house in online relationships. Communication is vital to any relationship but trying to fix problems with someone you likely haven't even met is the stuff of rubber-roomed institutions. Focus.

celticlord2112 -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/22/2008 2:10:13 AM)
quote: what is it exactly you want from a slave, what is it you expect girl to give up to become a slave totally and submit to a Master. My slave has surrendered herself into my keeping. She obeys my commands; she accepts my judgements. Her daily life is circumscribed by the guiding precepts I have ordained for her, and by the rules of my household. What do I desire from my slave? Everything she has.

Focus50 -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/22/2008 2:20:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jeaS2Atonka today after sending master an email asking that he tell me in detail what it was her wanted from me and i explained that maybe i am not ready to submit totally to him we spoke on msn, he asked me a simple question: if i was to ask you to leave your life and come to me now would you? my reply was :girl would have questions first master this by no means was pleasing to master and he told me that was the problem now he asked the same question to my sister slave her reply was pleasing to master Crikey, your online M/s relationship includes being played off against a "sister" slave???? A 36yo mother should never allow herself to get jerked around by such a fantasy entrenched tosser! Do yourself a BIG favour and punt him and find someone who lives in the real World and has realistic expectations of a grown woman with kids! Focus.

probablyknowme -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/22/2008 3:48:25 AM)
jea, Dear, you really need to stop thinking like a slave for a moment. You need to think like a mother and a person responsible for, not only your own, but your children's mental and physical health. No mother could pick up and move to be with a man without first discussing things with him, i.e. disciplining the children, managing the household, visitations with the other parent. So, for your "Master" to not be pleased that you would have to ask questions before relocating to him, then I would be very very leery of maintaining a relationship with him. kat

fsslave -> RE: What does submit mean to a Master (2/22/2008 4:19:26 AM)
Just last night my Master wanted me to "play" online...but first He asked whether or not any of my kids were home...one was, lying on the sofa right behind me, and so my Master was dissappointed, but altered his instructions to me to accomodate. If yours cannot do that for the sake of the kids...run! About asking questions...sigh...how many times i have questioned, only to be told how "difficult" i was being...my thoughts are "You can have the LAST word, i just want to HAVE a word..." My Master and i are still working on this one...but he does understand my need for clarification, discussion, call it what you want, i STILL obey Him when all is said and done.

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