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Should he die for this?

He's over reacting. On balance, this is not such a terrible crime

20% (5)

nobody will believe he's nothing but pure scum for doing it

8% (2)

He deserves what he gets, no matter how it effects him and his family

25% (6)

He should be publicly shamed as well as prosecuted for his crimes

20% (5)

He should get it over with and kill himself if thats how he feels

4% (1)

He should be helped with his problems, not humilliated by his mistakes

20% (5)

Total Votes : 24

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/15/2004 1:02:22 AM

Sinergy

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Actually, after all this, maybe he should die.

Be of good cheer, Estrict, there will come a time when this person will, in fact, die.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/15/2004 9:18:58 AM

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LMAO......Estring, you are a bad, bad, man...and funny too!

In Minnesota, the laws as I understand them state that if you take pictures of anything in a public place, they are yours to do with whatever you want to. If you are in public and take up-skirt pictures, you can take them and sell them legally. (I am not sure how accurate my information is as it was fed to me second hand from a photographer friend of mine)

I guess...I don't see an up-skirt shot as an invasion of privacy if you are in a public place. If you wear your skirts to where someone can get a camera in the area to take the pictures, you are kinda asking for it. I apologize if my opinion angers some people, but I was taught from childhood, that if I am wearing a skirt, to keep my legs together.

thanks for reading this, have a great day,

pixie

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/15/2004 10:34:18 AM

perverseangelic

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pixieunleashed

I guess...I don't see an up-skirt shot as an invasion of privacy if you are in a public place. If you wear your skirts to where someone can get a camera in the area to take the pictures, you are kinda asking for it. I apologize if my opinion angers some people, but I was taught from childhood, that if I am wearing a skirt, to keep my legs together.

If you're walking down a street and somoene has rigged a camera in a grate, you're asking to have your picture taken?

I guess I see this as invasion of privacy no matter what. If I am clothed, it's because I don't want something to be scene. I've read about occurences of individuals setting up mirrors and cameras, so that even if a girl "keeps her legs together" she can still have her bits photographed.

If I am wearing a skirt, I'm wearing a skirt. I'm not enticing anyone to do anything. It is not a woman's fault that she is victimized. Period. Ever,

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/15/2004 11:15:39 AM

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I realize that I do not have a very politically correct opinion. I am ok with that. I do feel that people either open themselves up to be vicitimized or they do not. I do not understand how someone if keeping their thighs together, can walk across a grate and have their bits photographed. Realizing that I do not know everything, I am open to being enlightened on that subject. Being a victim myself of more violent crimes, and working through all the feelings that come about from those situations. I can see, where I as a victim asked for what I got. I am not saying that the person was right in giving me what I asked for. However to be rather cliche about it, if you spit upwind don't be surprised if it comes back in your face.

thank you for reading this, have a great day,

pixie

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/15/2004 12:51:25 PM

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quote:

Be of good cheer, Estrict, there will come a time when this person will, in fact, die.

nope,, sorry,, that's Estring,,,, I am *as always* Sandy.....

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/15/2004 1:57:18 PM

January

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The original poster seems to suffer from a common problem on the boards. UK thinks he can control the thread. When it doesn't work, he attempts to bully.

So, if UK is reading: get a grip. You don't own a thread you start.

UK, I was going to use pretty metaphors to explain how a thread works, like I did once for anthro, but unlike him, you are not about refinement or sensitivity or even listening, so I won't bother.

By the way, I don't give a crap if this guy's life is "ruined" by publicity. He ruined his own life. I also don't care if he's a borderline personality either. Most of us are borderline. Until, like the rest of us, he takes personal responsibility for his own actions, he's just a selfish jerk. Yeah, you're very welcome.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 11:26:58 AM

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I have found this thread quite comical over the past week. I haven't had a lot o ftime to reply being so busy lately.

Although, its interesting that the "UKMaster" is evey saying he is going to run as he is even replying. I read what sinergy had said about perhaps it being an underage child or the parents of one. I chuckled to myself.
Then I responded giving my two cents on the matter.

This is the response I get from the ukmaster

Research has proven that suicides that ask for help often Do kill themselves so if anyone knows anyone talking about suicide my advice would be to take it seriously. Unless you want to loose a friend.

I would LOVE to know where this research came from. Where I can find some of the case studies. They would be very interesting reading. Perhaps I'd learn something as well.
I do recall I said get the man help if you care. Hmm, perhaps that was yet another miscommunication?

What amuses me the most about the whole thread is he says over and over how the time here is limited. How he is going to disappear. OK, why the grand plan to disappear? We all talk here, not everyone happens to like what we have to say. Why run?
Do Dominats run from problems? Sure, everyone is human but if I were a Dominant I'd want to be on my best behavior in public.

Anyway, I have many thoughts on this. Although I will say I'm sorry you broke the law. I'm not sorry you got caught. I hope you get the help you need. I know in the US sending a person to prison does nothing for the rehabilitation process. I'm sure in the UK it is the same way.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 4:37:33 PM

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Gloria,

I agree with you one hundred percent. Unfortunately I going to be in the position who sees where your pointing and tells you your hand is dirty.

(Smiling for a nice turn of phrase, get it, people?)

The e-mail was sent to you. Although you can do with it as you please including posting it publicly, that does not mean you should.

The United States can nuke Poland. "Can" does not equal "should".

Yes I've heard for years that "most" suicides are fake cries for attention. I too would be most interested in seeing these "studies". I would've used the PM route, however.

Yes, I know I'm in the minority on this. Post away exclaiming how wrong I am everyone.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 4:48:52 PM

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quote:

The e-mail was sent to you. Although you can do with it as you please including posting it publicly, that does not mean you should.

uuuhhmmm, what email Iwill? The comment she said she got in response is in UK's above post.....

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 4:54:11 PM

SherriA

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quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu
The e-mail was sent to you. Although you can do with it as you please including posting it publicly, that does not mean you should.

She quoted a public post, not a private email.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 5:04:01 PM

EStrict

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quote:

The e-mail was sent to you. Although you can do with it as you please including posting it publicly, that does not mean you should.

Actually, on a side note, didn't Mod one say earlier this month that you aren't allowed to post emails? She didn't anyway, but I thought I read that somewhere?

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 5:15:36 PM

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Actually, on a side note, didn't Mod one say earlier this month that you aren't allowed to post emails? She didn't anyway, but I thought I read that somewhere?

Yes that is why MistressDread was banned for a week.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 6:08:55 PM

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You cannot post private emails on the forums or in your profile journal.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 6:58:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorThree

You cannot post private emails on the forums or in your profile journal.

Is this in the guidelines somewhere? I just took a quick look and didn't see it anywhere. Maybe it's there and I missed it, or it's not obvious.

FWIW, I think posting private email is bad netiquette, but I've done it in rare instances when it seemed to be the only way to deal with something. Not here (yet), but in other forums.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/16/2004 11:25:43 PM

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I did neither like Sherri and Sandy both said. I posted out of this forum. Out of his response to me.

I can't say as I've seen any rules prohibiting private e-mails to be posted myself either. However, considering it perhaps could end up in court. Slander or whatever it would be called. Why would someone want to?

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/17/2004 9:49:46 AM

perverseangelic

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire
I can't say as I've seen any rules prohibiting private e-mails to be posted myself either. However, considering it perhaps could end up in court. Slander or whatever it would be called. Why would someone want to?

It's neither. Posting private e-mails is nothing execpt possibly rude. It is completely legal, as far as I know.

To be slanderous the statements said about someone must be untrue, and they must be said with malicious intenet. To quote someone's e-mails is by default not untrue as the quoted person is the author in the first place. I won't comment on the malicious intent thing :)

It troubles me that no one else has responded to the idea that abuse is the victims fault. Maybe this is something I'm sensitive too...ah well.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/17/2004 5:13:54 PM

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quote:

It troubles me that no one else has responded to the idea that abuse is the victims fault. Maybe this is something I'm sensitive too...ah well

I realize I opened this can of worms, and now will explain my belief system, so that you can decide if you hate me or not.

There is a saying, I have chosen to live my life by, because of the power in the statement and the fundamental truth of it.

EVERYTHING that happens to me in my life, is a DIRECT result of a DECISION that I have made.

Since adopting that mantra, I am no longer a victim EVER. If I decide to walk down an alley and I happen to get raped, I can accept that situation as a learning experience. I now know what may happen if I choose to walk down an alley alone again. I belive I am half responsible for the rape, because, I am the one that decided to walk down the alley. It has nothing to do with the fact that I will press charges for the assult, nor does it have anything to do with how I "should" (god I hate that word) be able to walk anywhere safely.

It has to do with ME being in control of MY life. I am nobody's victim unless I CHOOSE to be. I do apologize, I have become a little hardened since this enlightenment, and now I expect (working on expectations also, but I am human) EVERYONE to take responsibility for their own actions.

thank you for reading this, have a great day,

pixie

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/17/2004 10:55:18 PM

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I hear what you're saying, and it honestly makes more sense to me now.

I believe, though, that while saying ones desicions are what has ultimatly shaped ones life is liberating and freeing, saying that a victim is ultimtaly responsible for the thigns done to them can be problematic.

I see how this might work for adults, however I immediatly thought of children who have suffered at the hands of others. I cannot see how a child can be in any way responsible for abuse.

I very much agree that no one is a victim unless they choose to be.I think that you and I have fundamentally differnt outlooks, in that I was unable to "get over' damanges that happened in my life untill I learned that I was not responsible for them.

So....I see what you're saying, and agree in some cases, but disagree in most.

Still, the explanation helped me see where you are coming from much better.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/18/2004 12:44:20 AM

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I very much agree that no one is a victim unless they choose to be.

I disagree. Two examples: You can be sitting on the potty in a public restroom and some jerk may have a camera on you. You can be wearing a skirt in line at the supermarket and some jerk has a camera in a briefcase looking under your skirt.

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RE: Should he die for this? - 7/18/2004 2:43:44 AM

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quote:

I disagree. Two examples: You can be sitting on the potty in a public restroom and some jerk may have a camera on you. You can be wearing a skirt in line at the supermarket and some jerk has a camera in a briefcase looking under your skirt.

Hi Proud,

First of all, let me say I don't condone in any manner the origanal persons actions. But, being one that likes to play devil's advocate, I would like to respond to this part. Actually, it is not totally devil's advocate, as I do agree it is *you* who has the power to allow or not your feelings, including those of a victim.

Your first example about the restroom,,, well,,, you *did* chose to go into a public restroom and not wait until you get home. And trust me, I know MANY who won't go into public restrooms and can always manage to make it home. I am not that bad myself, but I don't use a public restroom if I have a choice....

As far as the second one goes, at one time everyting was animal instinct, and mating was wherever the male got the urge. In more modern times, puritians have always believed that if a woman wore a dress that showed her ankle (or more) she was inviting *looks* at least,,, and with that philosphy, if the outfit is short enough for him to do it, perhaps you are *inviting* looks? Pants, long skirts or dresses, and even shorts don't allow for pantie shots.

As I mentioned, I am playing devils advocate, but, that aside, I agree fully that you are only a *victim* in a case like this if you feel you are.

BTW, it's close to 3 am, and I am tired and tipsy, so if I made any typo's, ooohhh well :)

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